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Old August 12th 08, 04:52 AM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Lars Eighner
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?

In our last episode,
,
the lovely and talented Phil
broadcast on alt.politics.democrats:


"Lars Eighner" wrote in message
om...
In our last episode,
,
the lovely and talented DB
broadcast on alt.politics.democrats:


"John Doe" wrote in


In the abortion group, a pro-choicer is labeled as every terrible
thing known to man and woman. And yet, in the freely accessible
child support group, a "woman's right to choose" is used as a club
to beat up on women asking about child support.


So because a woman made the poor choice to have unprotected sex, it's
OK to
murder the baby


Nobody says it is okay to murder babies.


Actually, those in favor of abortion as a means of birth control do.


No. No one who favors choice says it is okay to murder babies.
You are liar.

They use euphemisms to disguise it, which helps them sleep better at
night, I suppose.



or worse yet have the sex partner support her for the next
18 years?


He made a poor choice when he decided to have unprotected sex.


Oh, the irony. Man and woman each decide to engage in an act. From that
moment onward, he has no options


That's right. He has had his choice.

and may be punished


Although there are a few quaint old statutes on the books, in fact adults
are seldom punished for consensual sex with other adults.

while she has several options, one of which is to force him to pay her a
monthly check.


She would not have any choice, if he choose not to have unprotected sex.
If he doesn't want to accept the risk, he shouldn't play the game.

--
Lars Eighner http://larseighner.com/
"I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."
--Ann Coulter, on 9/11 widows
  #22  
Old August 12th 08, 06:20 AM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
DB[_4_]
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"Lars Eighner" wrote in

while she has several options, one of which is to force him to pay her a
monthly check.


She would not have any choice, if he choose not to have unprotected sex.
If he doesn't want to accept the risk, he shouldn't play the game.


So if a gay man chooses not to have protected sex and risks contracting AIDS
as a result of his dirty game, should society be forced to pay for his
medical bills too?

How about Smokers that contract lung cancer and other heart problems, how
about we treat them like NCP's and make them pay for their medical bills and
jail them if they don't cough up the cash?

How about everybody starts paying for their own kids public education and
jailing them if they don't pay the bills?

If the government can force NCP's to pay lots of cash, what's to stop them
from starting other programs to collect cash or threaten them with jail
time?





  #23  
Old August 12th 08, 07:40 AM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Ray Fischer
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?

Lars Eighner wrote:

He made a poor choice when he decided to have unprotected sex.


Oh, the irony. Man and woman each decide to engage in an act. From that
moment onward, he has no options


That's right. He has had his choice.


A classic anti-choice argument.

and may be punished


Although there are a few quaint old statutes on the books, in fact adults
are seldom punished for consensual sex with other adults.


Unless they're men.

while she has several options, one of which is to force him to pay her a
monthly check.


She would not have any choice, if he choose not to have unprotected sex.


"She agreed to have a baby when she had sex."

If he doesn't want to accept the risk, he shouldn't play the game.


You're just another anti-choicer.

--
Ray Fischer


  #24  
Old August 12th 08, 02:04 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Phil
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"DB" wrote in message
...

"Lars Eighner" wrote in

while she has several options, one of which is to force him to pay
her a
monthly check.


She would not have any choice, if he choose not to have unprotected
sex.
If he doesn't want to accept the risk, he shouldn't play the game.


So if a gay man chooses not to have protected sex and risks
contracting AIDS as a result of his dirty game, should society be
forced to pay for his medical bills too?

How about Smokers that contract lung cancer and other heart problems,
how about we treat them like NCP's and make them pay for their medical
bills and jail them if they don't cough up the cash?

How about everybody starts paying for their own kids public education
and jailing them if they don't pay the bills?

If the government can force NCP's to pay lots of cash, what's to stop
them from starting other programs to collect cash or threaten them
with jail time?


DB, to save you some time, these lunatics are hell-bent on
cradle-to-grave options for women with men picking up the entire bill
with total responsibility. When they say "choice" they mean complete
irresponsibility for women only in reference to previous choices.
They think women are as immature as children and incapable of being
responsible.
Phil #3


  #25  
Old August 13th 08, 06:32 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Ray Fischer
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?

teachrmama wrote:
"Lars Eighner" wrote in message


And you shouldn't be such and ignorant and sanctimonious yokel. When you
have as much regard for human beings as you do for fetuses --- when you
protest capital punishment or war as much as you protest the right to
abortion, then you might get a hearing.


Just out of curiosity, how do you know he doesn't?


Easy. The time and money he wastes posting his hate to the newsgroups
could be used to save the life of at least one child.

His priorities are clear.

--
Ray Fischer


  #26  
Old August 14th 08, 01:32 AM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
teachrmama
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"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
...
teachrmama wrote:
"Lars Eighner" wrote in message


And you shouldn't be such and ignorant and sanctimonious yokel. When
you
have as much regard for human beings as you do for fetuses --- when you
protest capital punishment or war as much as you protest the right to
abortion, then you might get a hearing.


Just out of curiosity, how do you know he doesn't?


Easy. The time and money he wastes posting his hate to the newsgroups
could be used to save the life of at least one child.

His priorities are clear.



Sorry. I'm confused. Whose priorities?


  #27  
Old August 15th 08, 04:39 AM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Governor Swill
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?

This is Dusty's brain on drugs:
Yet, the woman isn't hounded to the ends of the Earth for her
folly now is she? It isn't she who is hunted, has her name plastered around
the world, her name slandered, her credit ruined, her pay taken at the point
of a gun. Nor does the woman face near certain incarceration if she is
indigent and cannot pay.


When you get pregnant and bear a child, let's discuss this again.

Swill
--
No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes arent permanent,
But change is. -- Geddy Lee/Rush
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
  #28  
Old August 15th 08, 02:47 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
teachrmama
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"Governor Swill" wrote in message
...
This is Dusty's brain on drugs:
Yet, the woman isn't hounded to the ends of the Earth for her
folly now is she? It isn't she who is hunted, has her name plastered
around
the world, her name slandered, her credit ruined, her pay taken at the
point
of a gun. Nor does the woman face near certain incarceration if she is
indigent and cannot pay.


When you get pregnant and bear a child, let's discuss this again.


Oh, are you one of those people who consider mothers to be parents and
fathers to be unnecessary?


  #29  
Old August 15th 08, 03:32 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Phil
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?


"Governor Swill" wrote in message
...
This is Dusty's brain on drugs:
Yet, the woman isn't hounded to the ends of the Earth for her
folly now is she? It isn't she who is hunted, has her name plastered
around
the world, her name slandered, her credit ruined, her pay taken at the
point
of a gun. Nor does the woman face near certain incarceration if she
is
indigent and cannot pay.


When you get pregnant and bear a child, let's discuss this again.

Swill
--


So you're saying that only those directly and intimately involved in any
situation should have a voice in the situation?
That would mean that homicide is quite legal since the victims would
never say a word against it.

IOW, you're post above is completely illogical.
Phil #3


  #30  
Old August 15th 08, 06:29 PM posted to alt.abortion,alt.child-support,alt.politics.usa.republican,alt.politics.democrats
Governor Swill
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Default Does pro-choice apply to child support?

This is teachrmama's brain on drugs:
Governor Swill wrote
This is Dusty's brain on drugs:
Yet, the woman isn't hounded to the ends of the Earth for her
folly now is she? It isn't she who is hunted, has her name plastered
around the world, her name slandered, her credit ruined,
her pay taken at the point of a gun. Nor does the woman face
near certain incarceration if she is indigent and cannot pay.

When you get pregnant and bear a child, let's discuss this again.


Oh, are you one of those people who consider mothers to be parents and
fathers to be unnecessary?


No. If you were paying attention to the thread you would have seen
that I consider fathers to be as responsible for their children as the
mothers. Those men who complain bitterly about being forced by the
law into providing even a bare minimum of care for their kids is
shameful. They should be there for their kids, on good relations with
their mother and doing his part to raise them right.

Of course this is how I think it *should* be. Reality is very
different.

Swill
--
No, his mind is not for rent
To any God or government.
Always hopeful, yet discontent,
He knows changes arent permanent,
But change is. -- Geddy Lee/Rush
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
 




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