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Things to think of before you get married again..
"Fred" wrote in message
. net... All I'm asking is that both men and women take responsibility for their choices. What's wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with asking both men and women to take responsibility for their choices, and I'll add actions. It is no different then my s2bx trying to place blaim on me for his drinking problem, and prior to me it was his first ex-wife's fault. There are those who refuse to take responsibility for their actions/choices and then there those who see they are responsible for their actions/choices. Tracy |
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"Tracy" ) writes:
"Fred" wrote in message . net... All I'm asking is that both men and women take responsibility for their choices. What's wrong with that? There is nothing wrong with asking both men and women to take responsibility for their choices, and I'll add actions. Since men get NO choices and are NOT allowed any *post-coital* actions, trying to hold men responsible for women's SOLE actions and choices is... SEXIST. It is no different then my s2bx trying to place blaim on me for his drinking problem, and prior to me it was his first ex-wife's fault. Indeed. Just as it is for a woman to *choose to carry to term ALONE*, and then demand free money for HER sole choices and actions. There are those who refuse to take responsibility for their actions/choices and then there those who see they are responsible for their actions/choices. The former group are called Feminists. Andre |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Ken Chaddock" wrote in message news:RzLWg.10968$H7.5814@edtnps82... Fred wrote: Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote ............................ And you, Fred, are totally *dismissing* WOMEN'S responsibilities! I am a woman, and I find it demeaning that you keep harping on what MEN should do, but not a hint about how WOMEN should handle their responibilities in the same situation. Everything a woman does after the sex act is a consequence of where that mean old man left his semen. Nonsense! Or maybe I'm just reading you wrong--why don't you clearly delineate what the woman's responsibilities are after the consequence of pregnancy becomes an issue. == A ride to the CSE office? (Because she's *owed* it, of course.) I guess that the matter is best explained by reference to the theme of the game Fable: "For every choice, a consequence." It's too bad that you seem to grasp the obvious fact that all post conception choices are the woman's and therefore, in accordance with the precepts of "Natural/Fundamental" Justice, all the consequences that follow from those choices should also be hers. So he chooses to spread his semen hither and yon, and she chooses to let him spread it in her. And let's say that the consequence is pregnancy. But that's as far as the "consequence" of his "spreading his sperm around" go. After that the woman has many options and CHOICES...even if she decides (note the word "decides") not to abort the fetus, that to, is a CHOICE, the consequence of which will most likely be the birth of a child... And if the child is born, how does that absolve the man from any responsibility for or to the child? Isn't it still 50% genetically his child, and legally his child as well? Now there are other choices to be made, in this case by her, and from those choices will spring consequences in turn. Yes, as I noted above, but ALL post conception choices are HER choices, to hold him responsible for the consequences that follow from HER choices is fundamentally unfair, unjust and, on top of all that, most likely unconstitutional... So because she has choices that pertain strictly to undergoing (or not undergoing) a medical and surgical procedure, you think this absolves the man from any responsibility, even though it's still his child? When the father legally has 50% of the rights to match his responsibilities, the we can come back to his responsibilities toward the child. Until he becomes an actual parent in the life of the child he helped create--50/50 with the mother, he also should not be the bankroll. So if one parent dumps all of the responsibility onto the other parent, the parent shouldering the responsibility gets all the rights, and the parent who dumped their responsibilities gets no rights? |
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Moon Shyne wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Moon Shyne" wrote in message ... "Ken Chaddock" wrote in message news:RzLWg.10968$H7.5814@edtnps82... Fred wrote: Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote ............................ And you, Fred, are totally *dismissing* WOMEN'S responsibilities! I am a woman, and I find it demeaning that you keep harping on what MEN should do, but not a hint about how WOMEN should handle their responibilities in the same situation. Everything a woman does after the sex act is a consequence of where that mean old man left his semen. Nonsense! Or maybe I'm just reading you wrong--why don't you clearly delineate what the woman's responsibilities are after the consequence of pregnancy becomes an issue. == A ride to the CSE office? (Because she's *owed* it, of course.) I guess that the matter is best explained by reference to the theme of the game Fable: "For every choice, a consequence." It's too bad that you seem to grasp the obvious fact that all post conception choices are the woman's and therefore, in accordance with the precepts of "Natural/Fundamental" Justice, all the consequences that follow from those choices should also be hers. So he chooses to spread his semen hither and yon, and she chooses to let him spread it in her. And let's say that the consequence is pregnancy. But that's as far as the "consequence" of his "spreading his sperm around" go. After that the woman has many options and CHOICES...even if she decides (note the word "decides") not to abort the fetus, that to, is a CHOICE, the consequence of which will most likely be the birth of a child... And if the child is born, how does that absolve the man from any responsibility for or to the child? Isn't it still 50% genetically his child, and legally his child as well? Now there are other choices to be made, in this case by her, and from those choices will spring consequences in turn. Yes, as I noted above, but ALL post conception choices are HER choices, to hold him responsible for the consequences that follow from HER choices is fundamentally unfair, unjust and, on top of all that, most likely unconstitutional... So because she has choices that pertain strictly to undergoing (or not undergoing) a medical and surgical procedure, you think this absolves the man from any responsibility, even though it's still his child? When the father legally has 50% of the rights to match his responsibilities, the we can come back to his responsibilities toward the child. Until he becomes an actual parent in the life of the child he helped create--50/50 with the mother, he also should not be the bankroll. So if one parent dumps all of the responsibility onto the other parent, the parent shouldering the responsibility gets all the rights, and the parent who dumped their responsibilities gets no rights? Exactly...as long as it was voluntary. Just as the father shouldn't/doesn't have the right to force the mother to abort or not to abort, the mother shouldn't/doesn't have the right to exclude the father against his will...it's *ALL* about BOTH PARENTS having a *FREE* choice... ....Ken |
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"Fred" wrote in message . net... Bob Whiteside wrote: "Fred" wrote in message . net... Tripped over it again, did you? Phil wrote: You also raise another interesting problem: what if the mother doesn't tell him about the pregnancy, does he STILL have responsibilities and what are they? It's still his semen, right? I mean, just because he doesn't know that he did something doesn't mean that he didn't do it. So yeah, he still has a degree of moral accountability, and if the child is alive, he definitely has legal accountability. How so? Because it's his semen. "His semen, his choice, his responsibility." What about the moral responsibility she should have to at least inform him of the pregnancy? You keep trying that sleazy trick, but it's not gonna work. That she has such a moral responsibility does not serve to negate any responsibility that he has. What I'm asking you to do is to accept the responsibilities that *you* have, and you respond by resisting that with every fiber of your being. Disgusting. Your little feminist biology lesson is based on wishful thinking and not established biological information. It's not his semen? Whose semen is it, hers? You're gonna tell us that she impregnated herself? Or are you going for immaculate conception? All of those questions are irrelevant. Despite your claims of being so knowledgable about biology, not one woman has ever gotten pregnant from semen. In fact, men who have had a vasectomy produce just as much semen as men who have not. How hard is it to understand eggs are a scarcer resource than sperm? And how, exactly, does that negate the biological fact that it's his semen, and that without his semen there's no pregnancy? See above. It's not the semen - It's the presence of viable sperm that cause pregnancies. What y'all are all about is negating the male's responsibility by pointing to the female's responsibility. Well, last time I read a biology book, it took two to procreate, which makes both of them responsible for the outcome. That's a value judgment on your part that has nothing to do what me or other men think. To say men are responsible for women's bad choices in sperm is to transfer the biological misjudgments made by women to men. So don't say that. I haven't, and you shouldn't, either. I'll say whatever I want to say. Feminists can't accept their biological destiny so they try to blame men for their poor choices in sperm providers. If it were the other way around, women would pay men for getting them pregnant to thank them for contributing their sperm. The femwits who can't accept their biological destiny want to have the state step in with remedies to cover up their biological mistakes. The state's solution is to use men's money to cover-up the lack of responsibility by women who don't select good mates. And as always with y'all shirkers, it's all about the money. At least you are honest enough to admit it, I'll give you that. Problem is, the facts don't support your desired conclusions, so you're forced to resort to falsehoods, spin, and assorted trickery. Just making an accusation does not prove it is true. How about some specifics? But you can't get past the essential facts: "His semen, his choice, his responsibility." "Her body, her choice, her responsibility." "For every choice, a consequence." So how about detailing what you believe are a woman's responsibilities since you don't like my perspective? |
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Ken Chaddock wrote:
Fred wrote: Ken Chaddock wrote: Fred wrote: Gini wrote: "teachrmama" wrote ............................ And you, Fred, are totally *dismissing* WOMEN'S responsibilities! I am a woman, and I find it demeaning that you keep harping on what MEN should do, but not a hint about how WOMEN should handle their responibilities in the same situation. Everything a woman does after the sex act is a consequence of where that mean old man left his semen. Nonsense! Or maybe I'm just reading you wrong--why don't you clearly delineate what the woman's responsibilities are after the consequence of pregnancy becomes an issue. == A ride to the CSE office? (Because she's *owed* it, of course.) I guess that the matter is best explained by reference to the theme of the game Fable: "For every choice, a consequence." It's too bad that you seem to grasp the obvious fact that all post conception choices are the woman's and therefore, in accordance with the precepts of "Natural/Fundamental" Justice, all the consequences that follow from those choices should also be hers. I am aware of what Canada's notion of "natural justice". I know that it allows Canada to declare age discrimination to be legal even though it is unconstitutional; see McKinney v. University of Guelph. So if you expect me to buy any argument based on that concept, you are swimming upstream. I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. Yes, it's easier to cut the article and make some unrelated, self-serving comments when you can't rebut the points made... I did rebut your crap, in whole. More efficient to do it that way than in pieces, and the result is the same. All you want to do is to be able to walk away from the mess you make when you spread your sperm hither and yon, because being responsible is so *inconvenient*, mostly to your wallet, which is the bottom line with you boys anyway. Y'all deny informed consent, y'all deny fairness and equity, y'all deny the child itself. It is the ultimate selfishness. Disgusting. |
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote ......................... I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. It's disgusting, really. == Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the same, such as abortion, baby dropoff? What's "baby dropoff"? |
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Gini wrote:
wrote Fred - You are Fred aren't you, and not Cindy, Sharon, Luoise, or some other feminist disguising yourself to make it look like you are chivalrous? == We frequently get the male feminists when they are the second husband and resent the bio dad's boat, car, food, etc. They all seem to think bio dad owes them a higher standard of living. Really, they do. Bio dad owes second husband nothing. Bio dad owes his kids. He is, after all, bio dad. |
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Fred (moron-guy@clueless.*******) proves that Feminism IS brain rot:
Gini wrote: "Fred" whined and fled refutations of his misandry: ......................... I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all. It's disgusting, really. == Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the same, such as abortion, baby dropoff? What's "baby dropoff"? Gads, are you clueless ! Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further legal obligations to said child, EVER. Its pure misandrous sexism to offer this to women, when they *already have ALL the other post-coital choices*, while denying EQUAL legal rights to men. You're a Festering Femmeroid, the lowest of all life. You further prove it by knowing NOTHING about the Real World in all this. Ptui. Andre |
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