Bill Cosby - NAACP leaders stunned by remarks of prominent comedian

On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:30:02 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
Who are YOU to define what is "proper" and what isn't "proper" in
walking or any other activity, racist?

I'm someone who knows the proper way to speak and walk and sit and
behave.

Who says?

I grew up in a home and all of the family knew these things and
associated primarily with other people who do.

Or maybe all of you are close-minded racist idiots who wouldn't know a
clue if you saw one.

You stand up straight when you walk.

Does he? How do you know?

Everyone should stand up straight when they walk.

Why?

Should a wheelchair-bound person do so? Are they mentally deficient
because they don't?

You are really out of the ball park. You know exactly what I'm talking
about and are into denial, denial, denial.

Bill Cosby took aim at blacks who don't take responsibility for their
economic status, blame police for incarcerations and teach their kids
poor speaking habits.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=38565

But your statement was a claim that he did, not that he should.

lojbab

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:43:16 GMT, Christopher Weeks
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

Slouching is very incorrect. It means to walk, stand, or sit with a
slouch. A slouch is a loose or drooping gait or posture. It's usually
indicative of a lazy or incompetent person, who, by the way, may be
called a slouch.

What makes it incorrect? What makes the lack of a slouch superior?

The same thing that makes walking with a drooping gait not the proper
way to walk unless you are trying to look like a clown. You stand up
straight when you walk.

Holger

But that's what I mean. Why is such a walk improper?

It's usually indicative of a lazy or incompetent person, who, by the
way, may be called a slouch. You should walk all stooped over if you
are playing the leading role in "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" or
something similar.

Chris

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:24:40 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 10:20:33 GMT, Christopher Weeks
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

You probably don't realize that there is a correct way to do everything.

I sure don't. I'm confused about the "correct" way to sit, for
instance. I sort of figure that if your butt is on a chair, bench,
couch, the ground, the back of a car, the edge of a table, etc. and your
weight is mainly supported by that butt, allowing your legs and feet to
rest, then you're sitting correctly. Right?

What does it even mean to sit incorrectly?

Slouching is very incorrect. It means to walk, stand, or sit with a
slouch. A slouch is a loose or drooping gait or posture. It's usually
indicative of a lazy or incompetent person, who, by the way, may be
called a slouch.

Chris

Holger
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Slouching is not evidence of anything but resentment. If you have
brutalized someone you can expect them to slouch when you "call
them before you". It is a mode of disrespect, one you DESERVE!!

It's obviously not the way someone should stand or sit properly.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:29:10 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 15:35:06 GMT, Christopher Weeks
wrote:

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:

You probably don't realize that there is a correct way to do
everything.

I sure don't. I'm confused about the "correct" way to sit, for
instance. I sort of figure that if your butt is on a chair, bench,
couch, the ground, the back of a car, the edge of a table, etc. and
your weight is mainly supported by that butt, allowing your legs and
feet to rest, then you're sitting correctly. Right?

What does it even mean to sit incorrectly?

It means to sit in a way that leads to injury, short term or long term,
through falling or improper body posture. It means to sit in a way such
that you damage things. There is also a correct way to look at a monitor
and type while you are sitting correctly. Set that up wrong and work at a
computer for a few years. You'll find what incorrect means.

OK, but what's it to you? Everyone does stuff with, for and to their
bodies that could be called sub-optimal. And really, the best way to
look at these factors is through risk assessment. There is a risk that
poor posture will lead to late-life back trauma. There is a risk that
poor wrist positioning will lead to nervous disorders after years of
typing. So those are incorrect, right? What about driving? Is driving
incorrect because there is a risk of injury and death?

I mean, the implications here are pretty broad and it certainly sounds
to many of us like a very broad brush painting along lines of truth are
being used to obscure racism. What's your agenda?

That's what Cosby is trying to tell you. Quit hiding behind racism, and
begin valuing what is right and what is wrong. Try to be someone who
does the right thing. Care about yourself and other people, and care
about how you behave or act. It's very, very, very, very important to
do that. Stop this "I don't give a damn." attitude.

Holger
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Cosby is a rich rightist asshole, he always has been, he has played
golf with Nixon and Reagan, and he's a black racist. The "I don't
give a damn" attitide is a form of disrespect that the white society
has earned with its racist and economic brutality and unfairness!!!

If they don't learn that Cosby is speaking the truth and do something
about it they will end up like so many blacks, in prison. When they
can't get any kind of job except a McJob at McDonalds, many will turn to
crime.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:26:42 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:

Christopher Weeks wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:

You probably don't realize that there is a correct way to do
everything.

I sure don't. I'm confused about the "correct" way to sit, for
instance. I sort of figure that if your butt is on a chair, bench,
couch, the ground, the back of a car, the edge of a table, etc. and
your weight is mainly supported by that butt, allowing your legs and
feet to rest, then you're sitting correctly. Right?

What does it even mean to sit incorrectly?

Chris

It means to sit in a way that leads to injury, short term or long term,
through falling or improper body posture. It means to sit in a way such
that you damage things. There is also a correct way to look at a monitor
and type while you are sitting correctly. Set that up wrong and work at a
computer for a few years. You'll find what incorrect means.

Slainte,
Fletch
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Irrelevant, slouching is a form of disrespect that you have earned
with your racism and brutality.

It's certainly the wrong way to sit or walk and will prevent you from
getting a decent job and many other good things in life.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:44:20 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:36:57 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

It is not "the truth", because "correctness" of pronunciation is not
something that is "true" or "false" but rather is merely opinion.

Now, do you realize what you are saying? Do you know why we have
dictionaries showing pronunciation? So you think that correct
pronunciation is only an opinion? Wrong. In dictionaries, it is the
most accepted pronunciation that has evolved over a long period of time.

Do you think that right and wrong are not facts but opinions?
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Because there is no right and wrong EXCEPT for human opinion, and
ALL things are ONLY human opinions. If you can change human opinion,
then you can CHANGE THE "TRUTH"!!!


If so, it was people like you who committed the atrocities in the Iraq
prisons. Right and wrong are not opinions. They are absolutes.
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Nope. You must have been beaten as a child, you're sick. Right and
wrong have changed so much down through history, even recent history,
that nobody but a stupid medievalist can believe that!!


Unfortunately, the son-of-a-bitches who mistreated the Iraq prisoners,
evidently, had no value system and either didn't know right from wrong
or didn't care. They all said, "I was ordered to do that."
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That's what they SAY. They clearly enjoyed it. The Iraqis should be
abused until they give up. I don't give a flying **** if we tease and
rape them in prison, it doesn't bother me at all! I BELIEVE IT IS
RIGHT, because they don't have a fair secular democratic government,
and we're trying to make them create one by force. We HAVE the right
to do that to rescue even the few Iraqis who know that they DESERVE
western freedoms!! To me, THAT'S the highest good, and NOT their
safety!! A govt which is not fair, secular, and democratic (and only
lastly so), is a criminal gang and anyone opposing us should be tortured
to death!!


That is
totally irrelevant. You stand up for right and do not do wrong
regardless of what any superior officer orders you to do.
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Unless they're wrong. Those soldiers KNEW in their heart of hearts
that the Iraqi culture and religion needs to have its back broken
before they can ever be civilized, and before our soldiers' deaths
can be justified!!!


If a superior officer had said, "Here, take this sword and cut that
prisoner's head off.", these fools may have done it. You never obey a
superior when he/she is wrong.
Holger
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They did it not because they were WRONG, but because they were RIGHT,
you ****ing dope, they just didn't dare to SAY that TRUTH!!
Steve

Steve, you are dangerous to society and also to yourself. We want to
get rid of people who think like you do in our military and also in the
non military world.

Your kind will cause the death of many of the 135,000 American soldiers
who are still in Iraq.

You are way, way, way off base. Somehow you do not know what is right
and what is wrong.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:38:34 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

So you think that correct pronunciation is only an opinion?

Yep.

That's going to bring you a lot of trouble.

If your present job is sweeping floors at McDonalds, when you go for a
job interview, if you pronounce "sweep" as "****" and "floors" as
"goats", you might say in response to the question, "What do you do in
your present job?", "I **** goats.", and this will cause great confusion
and misunderstanding.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:35:37 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:44:30 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Only to those who refuse to accept "different" as equal. In other
words, subhuman racists.

That's people like Bill Cosby and I who do not accept people being so
sorry that they do not pronounce English words correctly and don't care
how they pronounce words.

And, that's not only our opinion, but also, the truth. When I say, "To
murder someone is wrong."
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You mean kill, murder is a judgement about a killing that isn't yours
to make.

Murder is the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with
malice aforethought.


and you say, "Not necessarily, that's just
your opinion.", then it tells me that you have a screwed up mind like so
many black people that Cosby mentioned that are in prison.
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The racists who keep blacks from obtaining the proper reparations

Reparations for what? Slavery? Slavery has existed over thousands of
years in practically every country on earth. It still exist among the
black people in Sudan. Blacks own slaves there.

that they are owed and the restoration to American Average Income
and ownership of their homes and equal jobs lives

I'm sure Cosby would tell you that maybe the biggest problem that many
blacks have today is the "give me, give me, give me" way of thinking
instead of taking responsibility for their lives and do things to
improve their situation like speaking correctly.

SHOULD be dragged to the curb and shot through the head as CRIMINALS!!!

You have a lot of hate, and it's directed toward others. You are
responsible for the way you live today, and not anyone else. You've got
to learn that. Everyone is responsible for their lives. Not anyone
else.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 01:21:32 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Fletch F. Fletch wrote:

Christopher Weeks wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:

[Blacks] don't understand that they should value
education and speaking, walking, sitting, etc., correctly.

Are you serious? Do the rest of us all think this is hilarious, or is
it just me?

Chris

Not much on this issue is hilarious. Clearly there are racists unleashing
their hatred around here. But it is also clear (at least by what I have
read and my experience) that there is a 1 SD difference between whites and
blacks on standardized tests, asians score even better. In my work (network
research), I notice that I have many asian and white colleagues, and almost
no black colleagues. It bothers me, but it is what I would expect in my
area from a black gaussian shifted 1 SD to the left. As far as I can tell,
this issue is very real, and its causes need to be understood. As this
problem currently seems to be intractable, I'm guessing we don't understand
enough yet.

Slainte,
Fletch
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Results of IQ tests are meaningless, they only assess the results
of circumstances, they do NOT identify the causal origin of those
harmful circumstances. The cause is racism and the results of racism
in the attitudes of blacks.

Blacks long ago were tested for learning ability in large numbers
and it was determined that they have exactly the same ability to
learn at all levels of complexity, as whites, and as asians as well.

The disparity occurs due to attitudes toward white society and white
culture, and not because they are unable. They have been so brutalized
by racism and economic unfairness that they see any emulation of
anything that even MIGHT be seen as white as a betrayal of their own
kind.

The only way to defeat such a hatred is to pay reparations to blacks
and restore their standard of living that has been stolen from them,
by buying them homes, and buying them talented black tutors and
re-education and retraining by other talented blacks, and then giving
them jobs in black-owned businesses and industries until they have
an equal income tothe American average, then and ONLY then can they
feel that what had once been stolen from them by slavery and racism
has been restored and ON THEIR OWN TERMS! ONLY THEN will they feel
that those who robbed them have payed for their crimes!!

Even if that takes a decade of this nations GDP we will still have
to do it to finally correct the results of slavery and racism.
Steve

Steve, that will never happen. Blacks must wake up and realize that
they are responsible for their own destiny. Not anyone else. It is
extremely important that you learn that everyone is responsible for
their own destiny.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 00:59:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

That is utterly ridiculous. Doctors would not think anything about
using the word, "crap". Many do not refer to your testicles and your
scrotum, but call it your cod sack. Doctors are not sissies.

I've never even HEARD the phrase "cod sack" before. And if any doctor
used the word "crap" in front of a kid, there are a lot of people that
would walk out then and there, and probably a couple that would try to
go after his license.

You are evidently very confused. What do you think is bad about the
word, "crap"? The American Heritage Dictionary says:

1. Vulgar Slang Excrement. 2. An act of defecating. 3. Foolish,
deceitful, or boastful language. 4. Cheap or shoddy material. 5.
Miscellaneous or disorganized items; clutter. 6. Insolent talk or
behavior.

Roget's Thesaurus says:

Slang. Something that does not have or make sense: balderdash, blather,
bunkum, claptrap, drivel, garbage, idiocy, nonsense, piffle, poppycock,
rigmarole, rubbish, tomfoolery, trash, twaddle. Informal : tommyrot.
Slang : applesauce, baloney, bilge, bull1, bunk2, hooey, malarkey.

Does it have some evil meaning to you? What do you think is so bad
about it? There must have been something traumatic that happened in
your childhood when the word, "crap" was used.

It's not a bad word.

Did you think it is a word in the same category as "muhfugger"?

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm