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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:20:40 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:16:27 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: That's horrible. She has to show where someone else wrote it down for people to believe her? You also have to show references for people to believe you. Never. You either believe me or you don't. You are a racist, and not to be believed. Therefore we don't believe you. I'm not concerned about whether you believe me or not. Good. Then we will continue to laugh at your inanity. Why would I care what you believe about me? Obviously you don't. You wouldn't be a racist. If you don't believe me, it is your loss. No. It is yours. Believing you would add nothing to the conversation, or to the world. At least be disproving all your lies with citations, I am educating myself, Gee, I would never have known that I was helping to educate you. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:22:00 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: These people were wonderful in what they knew about the world. For someone as ignorant as you, that means that they had an ordinary college education. A lot more than that. A college degree is just a license to learn. Most of the important things are learned from the people that you know in high school and college and later in your life. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 23:22:37 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: I'm sure Cosby dislikes the bad pronunciations as much as the poor grammar. Whereas I'm sure you are wrong. How does anyone think that it is right to not pronounce a lot of common English words correctly? You have to have some loose screws to believe that. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: The Greeks had a great civilization. Much greater than the Romans. They gave us many, many things. Not just some art and some literature. ---------------- Nonsense, they had the money to afford thinkers because they had slaves once again, but they squandered it and most Athenians wasted their money on high living, the few thinkers were a tiny minority. The Greeks were not famous for being rich. Very few become famous for being rich. But many who become famous for other things had the opportunity to do other things BECAUSE they were rich, and thus able to escape the daily grind. I don't think there is any mention of that in their history. I'm sure that the creators of philosophy and architecture and math and on were probably about 10 % of their culture. More likely a fraction of 1%. Their contributions to the world were incredible. But yours are non-existent. You see, they didn't even have libraries full of books to go and read. They had libraries. You may recall the Great Library of Alexandria (which was in Egypt, but it was an Egypt ruled by the successors of Alexander, as is evident in the name). If papyrus had rotted ten percent faster they'd have been unknown! The Egyptians were the ones who found or created papyrus. That, and some engineering (the pyramids, etc.) was about all they did. More ignorance. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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yep everyone who states the truth be a racist..
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Eliminate annoying spam! My mailbox is protected by iHateSpam, the #1-rated spam buster." http://www.ihatespam.net "greccogirl" wrote in message ... Holger Dansk wrote: On Sun, 30 May 2004 21:42:37 GMT, greccogirl wrote: More black children come from broken homes. Something like 70%. It's 68%. 68% of black-savage-Ethiopian-American women are unwed mothers. Holger Black Savage? Now pray tell what makes them savages?? White people do this, are they savages? If you wish to argue intelligently knock that off. It DOES show racism on your part!!! |
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On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 07:42:01 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote: The Greeks had a great civilization. Much greater than the Romans. They gave us many, many things. Not just some art and some literature. ---------------- Nonsense, they had the money to afford thinkers because they had slaves once again, but they squandered it and most Athenians wasted their money on high living, the few thinkers were a tiny minority. The Greeks were not famous for being rich. Very few become famous for being rich. But many who become famous for other things had the opportunity to do other things BECAUSE they were rich, and thus able to escape the daily grind. Well, someone said, "The poor will always be with us.", and the vast majority of black people are poor. However, they will not do anything to improve their condition. If they would speak correctly, and if 68% of the black females would not have children out of wedlock, and they would learn the proper way to sit, stand, and sit, etc., it would be a good beginning. I don't think there is any mention of that in their history. I'm sure that the creators of philosophy and architecture and math and on were probably about 10 % of their culture. More likely a fraction of 1%. Their contributions to the world were incredible. But yours are non-existent. You see, they didn't even have libraries full of books to go and read. They had libraries. Yes, but there were not any earlier peoples that had created anything for them to learn from. They had to create practically all of it. You see, a lot of what the Romans learned was from the Greeks after they conquered them. You may recall the Great Library of Alexandria (which was in Egypt, but it was an Egypt ruled by the successors of Alexander, as is evident in the name). Yes, the Egyptians could read books to learn of the Greek creations. If papyrus had rotted ten percent faster they'd have been unknown! The Egyptians were the ones who found or created papyrus. That, and some engineering (the pyramids, etc.) was about all they did. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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Holger Dansk wrote in message . ..
How does anyone think that it is right to not pronounce a lot of common English words correctly? Common English words like Insurance Umbrella Install (commonly misused as a noun, btw) Nuclear I ....? You have to have some loose screws to believe that. I've yet to hear you complain about Southern mispronunciations of the following words. I imagine you think that it's either a) correct, even though the dictionaries I've consulted do not support "INsurance," "UMbrella", INstall", "Nookyouluhr" or "Ah" even as alternative pronunciations; or b) a lovable part of your heritage/culture/yadda yadda. In either case--why don't you cut the brothers some slack already. Sheesh. So long as the grammar's ok I don't really care if an occasional "th" sound comes out like an "f", f'rinstance (a dialect oddity some black Americans happen to share with Cockneys). Why do you? Many regional/ethnic pronunciations are dying out in any case. You might as well enjoy them while you can because our great-great grandchildren, likely as not, won't have the foggiest idea of what a "southern accent", a "Boston accent" or a "Brooklyn accent" is save from what they hear in old movies. |
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Dirk wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote in message . .. How does anyone think that it is right to not pronounce a lot of common English words correctly? Common English words like Insurance Umbrella Install (commonly misused as a noun, btw) Nuclear I ...? You have to have some loose screws to believe that. I've yet to hear you complain about Southern mispronunciations of the following words. I imagine you think that it's either a) correct, even though the dictionaries I've consulted do not support "INsurance," "UMbrella", INstall", "Nookyouluhr" or "Ah" even as alternative pronunciations; or b) a lovable part of your heritage/culture/yadda yadda. In either case--why don't you cut the brothers some slack already. Sheesh. So long as the grammar's ok I don't really care if an occasional "th" sound comes out like an "f", f'rinstance (a dialect oddity some black Americans happen to share with Cockneys). Why do you? Moreoever, the current US President--a white man born with a silver spoon in his mouth and privileged to have one of the best educations money can buy--cannot pronounce "nuclear" or "sovereignty" plus a half dozen other words correctly, regularly invents words (e.g. "misunderestimate"), and often butchers grammar and syntax (e.g., "Is our children learning?"), but I don't hear Holger complaining about that. -- Be well, Barbara All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time to engage in such endeavors. That's absolutely ridiculous. It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot engage in significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without surplus food production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability to produce am agricultural surplus is directly tied to their geographical location. Asia, Europe, and northern Africa are better suited, geographically, to surplus food production than sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many native Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural "floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans aren't smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live in a better location, agriculturally speaking. -- Be well, Barbara All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman |
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:06 -0700, "Circe" wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote: On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time to engage in such endeavors. That's absolutely ridiculous. It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot engage in significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without surplus food production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability to produce am agricultural surplus is directly tied to their geographical location. Asia, Europe, and northern Africa are better suited, geographically, to surplus food production than sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many native Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural "floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans aren't smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live in a better location, agriculturally speaking. Boy are you mixed up and confused. Holger http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm |
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