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  #181  
Old October 11th 06, 02:17 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Moon Shyne
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"Gini" wrote in message
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"Fred" wrote
Gini wrote:
wrote
Fred -

You are Fred aren't you, and not Cindy, Sharon, Luoise, or some other
feminist disguising yourself to make it look like you are chivalrous?
==
We frequently get the male feminists when they are the second husband
and resent the
bio dad's boat, car, food, etc. They all seem to think bio dad owes them
a higher standard of living.
Really, they do.


Bio dad owes second husband nothing.

Bio dad owes his kids. He is, after all, bio dad.

==
So then you have no problem with the child support used exclusively for
said child
and not be put into the family coffers for let's say, the mortgage, SUV
payment?


I assume you have no problem with the recipient being able to make SUV
payments from their own earnings?





  #182  
Old October 11th 06, 02:20 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Bob Whiteside
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"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
Andre Lieven wrote:
Fred ([email protected]*******) proves that Feminism IS brain rot:
Gini wrote:
"Fred" whined and fled refutations of his
misandry:
.........................
I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another

attempt
to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of informed
consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither and yon

and
walk away from the consequences thereof because those consequences

are ...
*inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in financially inconvenient,
because at the end of the day it's always about the money with y'all.

It's disgusting, really.
==
Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the
same, such as abortion, baby dropoff?
What's "baby dropoff"?


Gads, are you clueless !


Gads, are you rude!

[Inferiority complex. Makes himself feel big by making others feel small.]

Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have
them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a
mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further
legal obligations to said child, EVER.


Last time I looked, we called that "adoption."

What is your problem with adoption?

[more rudeness deleted]


For a person who claims to be from Minnesota who has so many strong opinions
about men's parental responsibility, you ought to understand the Minnesota
laws regarding women's parental avoidance.

"Under the Minnesota program, called "A Safe Place for Newborns,", a mother
can anonymously drop off an unharmed newborn without fear of prosecution.
She will be asked to volunteer medical information, but not required to do
so. No identification required, no signed relinquishment, no mandatory
medical information."



  #183  
Old October 11th 06, 02:23 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Ken Chaddock
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Gini wrote:

"Fred" wrote

Andre Lieven wrote:


............................................

Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have
them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a
mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further
legal obligations to said child, EVER.


Last time I looked, we called that "adoption."


==
Then I suggest you look again.
==

What is your problem with adoption?


==
No one is discussing adoption.


Damn Gini, we haven't had this big a ****** around here for many a
year. I almost fell over laughing when I read his(?) "What's
child-drop-off ? line, now this adoption thingie...dam !
Marg and Parg and the "girlies" are deceitful, lying misandrists but at
least they're not (too) stupid...this guy (?) is 'bout smart, I say
smart as a pound of wet leather, 'bout colourful, I say colourful as a
bag of flour, 'bout dumb, I say dumb as a sack of hammers... :-)

....Ken
  #184  
Old October 11th 06, 02:31 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Ken Chaddock
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Ken Chaddock wrote:

Fred wrote:

Gini wrote:

"Fred" wrote
.........................

I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another
attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of
informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen
hither and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because
those consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as
in financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's
always about the money with y'all.

It's disgusting, really.


==
Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does
the same,
such as abortion, baby dropoff?



What's "baby dropoff"?



God, you're in here, talking like you're the great know-it-all
authority of child custody and parental responsibility and reproductive
rights and you don't even know what child-drop-off is ? What an
arse-h*%e...you didn't have much credibility but you've certainly
destroyed what little you did have with this...
Just for your eludication...child-drop-off is consequence free,
legal abandonment of an infant child by a mother, sometimes also called
"safe haven" laws or "hatchery" laws. Currently at least 37 states have
"safe haven" laws with more in progress.
All the mother has to do is take the child to a "safe" drop off
point...she can't just throw it in a dumpster, which is what some used
to do...such as a police station, fire station, welfare office, hospital
or medical clinic etc. There are *NO* strings attached, in most case
they aren't even allowed to ask her her name so there are absolutely NO
legal consequences...note that in all but two states this provision is
NOT available to the father and those two they *require* that he provide
identification...for future child support no doubt...
If you don't believe me...and you probably won't...there's plenty of
info on the net. up to and including state statutes that you can read
yourself...

...Ken


Update, with a little further research I've discovered that apparently
there are now 47 states with "safe haven" laws and, wonder of all
wonders, a couple of them will also accept an infant from a man without
asking questions...but only a couple...
....and NO Fred, this ISN'T adoption...

....Ken
  #185  
Old October 11th 06, 02:43 AM posted to alt.child-support
Patrick Lee
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Tracy,

So therefore Big Brother(Uncle Sammy) should
solve our problems for us!!! Hell they can't even see the reality of
taking responsibility for
closing the damn border to our south much less
make equitable solutions through the tyrannical
"Family Court" joke!! Do you even understand
the relation of these two subjects...Can you hold these two thoughts in
your mind at the same time....

  #186  
Old October 11th 06, 02:46 AM posted to alt.child-support
Patrick Lee
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Well, the last time I read parts of the Constitution of the United
States, I didn't see
anything that "Constitutes" indentured servitude
either!

  #187  
Old October 11th 06, 03:00 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Fred
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote
Gini wrote:
wrote
Fred -

You are Fred aren't you, and not Cindy, Sharon, Luoise, or some other
feminist disguising yourself to make it look like you are chivalrous?
==
We frequently get the male feminists when they are the second husband and
resent the
bio dad's boat, car, food, etc. They all seem to think bio dad owes them
a higher standard of living.
Really, they do.

Bio dad owes second husband nothing.

Bio dad owes his kids. He is, after all, bio dad.

==
So then you have no problem with the child support used exclusively for said
child
and not be put into the family coffers for let's say, the mortgage, SUV
payment?


You may take what I said at face value. I will leave it to legislatures
and courts to figure out what constitutes an expense in the child's
interest.
  #188  
Old October 11th 06, 03:04 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
teachrmama
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"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"teachrmama" wrote in message
...

"Moon Shyne" wrote in message
...

"Ken Chaddock" wrote in message
news:[email protected]
Fred wrote:
Gini wrote:

"teachrmama" wrote
............................

And you, Fred, are totally *dismissing* WOMEN'S responsibilities! I
am a woman, and I find it demeaning that you keep harping on what
MEN should do, but not a hint about how WOMEN should handle their
responibilities in the same situation. Everything a woman does after
the sex act is a consequence of where that mean old man left his
semen. Nonsense! Or maybe I'm just reading you wrong--why don't you
clearly delineate what the woman's responsibilities are after the
consequence of pregnancy becomes an issue.

==
A ride to the CSE office? (Because she's *owed* it, of course.)


I guess that the matter is best explained by reference to the theme of
the game Fable: "For every choice, a consequence."

It's too bad that you seem to grasp the obvious fact that all post
conception choices are the woman's and therefore, in accordance with
the precepts of "Natural/Fundamental" Justice, all the consequences
that follow from those choices should also be hers.


So he chooses to spread his semen hither and yon, and she chooses to
let him spread it in her. And let's say that the consequence is
pregnancy.

But that's as far as the "consequence" of his "spreading his sperm
around" go. After that the woman has many options and CHOICES...even if
she decides (note the word "decides") not to abort the fetus, that to,
is a CHOICE, the consequence of which will most likely be the birth of
a child...

And if the child is born, how does that absolve the man from any
responsibility for or to the child?
Isn't it still 50% genetically his child, and legally his child as well?


Now there are other choices to be made, in this case by her, and from
those choices will spring consequences in turn.

Yes, as I noted above, but ALL post conception choices are HER choices,
to hold him responsible for the consequences that follow from HER
choices is fundamentally unfair, unjust and, on top of all that, most
likely unconstitutional...

So because she has choices that pertain strictly to undergoing (or not
undergoing) a medical and surgical procedure, you think this absolves
the man from any responsibility, even though it's still his child?


When the father legally has 50% of the rights to match his
responsibilities, the we can come back to his responsibilities toward the
child. Until he becomes an actual parent in the life of the child he
helped create--50/50 with the mother, he also should not be the bankroll.


So if one parent dumps all of the responsibility onto the other parent,
the parent shouldering the responsibility gets all the rights, and the
parent who dumped their responsibilities gets no rights?


Depends. Unmarried: default 50/50 with both mom and dad having the same
rights to walk away in the exact same time frame. But the default 50/50 is
the key.

Married and divorcing: default 50/50. No rights to walk away. If Dad
wants only 20%, he pays mom to handle his other 30 percent. If mom wants
80/20 and can get dad to agree, she handles the other 30 % she chooses on
her own. Other than that, they pay for their own expenses.


  #189  
Old October 11th 06, 03:08 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
Fred
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Gini wrote:
"Fred" wrote
Andre Lieven wrote:

............................................
Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have
them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a
mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further
legal obligations to said child, EVER.

Last time I looked, we called that "adoption."

==
Then I suggest you look again.


I asked you what "baby dropoff" was.

Instead of responding with substance, you respond with a sleazy cheap shot.

If you are going to play cheap, sleazy games, I won't deal with you.

Now then, what's "baby dropoff"?

And don't refer me to Andre's screed. I want a substantive description
that differentiates between whatever y'all are talking about and adoption.

Now get to work or go away. You get to decide.
  #190  
Old October 11th 06, 03:09 AM posted to alt.mens-rights,alt.child-support,alt.support.divorce
teachrmama
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"Fred" wrote in message
. net...
Andre Lieven wrote:
Fred ([email protected]*******) proves that Feminism IS brain rot:
Gini wrote:
"Fred" whined and fled refutations of his
misandry: .........................
I read your entire message. What it boils down to is yet another
attempt to evade your responsibilities by ignoring the doctrine of
informed consent. Sorry, but men can't just spread their semen hither
and yon and walk away from the consequences thereof because those
consequences are ... *inconvenient*. That's "inconvenient" as in
financially inconvenient, because at the end of the day it's always
about the money with y'all.

It's disgusting, really.
==
Then I presume you find it equally disgusting when the mother does the
same, such as abortion, baby dropoff?
What's "baby dropoff"?


Gads, are you clueless !


Gads, are you rude!

[Inferiority complex. Makes himself feel big by making others feel small.]

Google " Legal Abandon Laws ". 40 states have
them, which are NON medical and NON biolical LEGAL means by which a
mother of an infant can LEGALLY relinquish said infant with NO further
legal obligations to said child, EVER.


Last time I looked, we called that "adoption."


No it's not, Fred! Geesh! She can birth the child and, within a certain
amount of time, drop the child off at a police station, forehouse, or
hospital, no questions asked, and walk away.. Legal abandonment. Only for
mommies, though.


 




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