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Old June 19th 09, 09:14 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
DB[_4_]
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Default Independance from Freedom Day, July 4th

When you're watching the fireworks display for those counties that can still
afford it, the explosions are just a reminder of your freedoms going up in
smoke. Be grateful the Bankers left you with a crappy paying job to try pay
their mortgages with. The politicians sold the working class out to these
welfare bums!


“Debt is the fatal disease of republics, the first thing and the mightiest
to undermine governments and corrupt the people.” Wendell Phillips

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work to give to those who are not." ~Thomas Jefferson

"The issue today is the same as it has always been throughout all history,
whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small
elite." ~Thomas Jefferson





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Old June 20th 09, 04:54 AM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:14:43 -0700, "DB"
wrote:

When you're watching the fireworks display for those counties that can
still
afford it, the explosions are just a reminder of your freedoms going up in
smoke. Be grateful the Bankers left you with a crappy paying job to try
pay
their mortgages with. The politicians sold the working class out to
these
welfare bums!


Bankers, CEO's, the wealth class are definitely
"Welfare bums"

We funneled more money, crafted more policy, req-wrote
the tax code, deregulated and rescinded scads of
laws---ALL of which made life better for them. Reagan
and the conservatives turned mere millionaires into
Billionaires---effectivey creating an unsurmountable
chasm between the richest paid and the middle class
that will take generations (again) to level out

Remember, not one Millionaire EVER went broke because
of taxation. Not one.

I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are
given subsistence aid, or help because they're poor?

Did you?


Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your
pockets clean!


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Old June 20th 09, 01:27 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote:


I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence
aid, or help because they're poor?

Did you?


Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your
pockets clean!


I think what we are faced with today runs deeper.

While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the
block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as
opposed to the products/labor of money.

Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making
profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in
product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products
and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into
debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and
product not yet produced.

Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting
the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones
debts has been replaced with that of debt service.

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Old June 21st 09, 09:47 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Peter Franks
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ZerkonXXXX wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote:


I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence
aid, or help because they're poor?

Did you?

Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your
pockets clean!


I think what we are faced with today runs deeper.

While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on the
block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money only as
opposed to the products/labor of money.

Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making
profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in
product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many products
and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments are put into
debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor not yet done and
product not yet produced.

Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting
the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones
debts has been replaced with that of debt service.


We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a
socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism.
Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it
had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism.

Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again.

THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!*
Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a budget.

Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of debt.
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Old June 21st 09, 10:35 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Michael Coburn
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On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700, Peter Franks wrote:

ZerkonXXXX wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote:


I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence
aid, or help because they're poor?

Did you?
Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your
pockets clean!


I think what we are faced with today runs deeper.

While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on
the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money
only as opposed to the products/labor of money.

Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making
profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in
product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many
products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments
are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor
not yet done and product not yet produced.

Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting
the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones
debts has been replaced with that of debt service.


We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a
socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism.


The attempt to lie about fascism continues. We have been living in a
fascist state for the last 30 years and most especially the last 8
years. To be sure this has not been a pure form of capitalism. But it
has been more a form of capitalism than any form of socialism. For
fascism can and will don the cloak of capitalism very easily and wage a
constant all out assault on whatever it chooses to call "socialism". In
so doing, of course, the fascist disguises fascism as capitalism.

Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it
had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism.


Any time there is a problem for the rightard, the blame lies in something
other than fascism. And the favorite is, of course, socialism/communism.

Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again.


Credit is an integral part of the division and specialization of labor
and the development of _real_ capital. More importantly, "saving" is
integral to society. "saving" and "credit" are the mechanism by which a
society flourishes.

THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!*
Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a
budget.


Always sound advice to those who will not invest.

Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of
debt.


Debt is, in fact, a bondage.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson
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Old June 23rd 09, 11:22 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Peter Franks
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Michael Coburn wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700, Peter Franks wrote:

ZerkonXXXX wrote:
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:54:25 -0700, DB wrote:


I'm sure you didn't mean those people who work, are given subsistence
aid, or help because they're poor?

Did you?
Welfare to the poor is only a distraction while the Bankers pick your
pockets clean!
I think what we are faced with today runs deeper.

While bankers have, well, forever 'picked pockets' the newer thief on
the block is a modern economic basic. Namely, making money from money
only as opposed to the products/labor of money.

Not that this has not happened before, after all capitalism is making
profit from ones capital, but capitalism, until recently, invested in
product and the labor needed to produce products. Now that many
products and the labor needed have been outsourced, these investments
are put into debt. A "anti-product" actually, a thing based on labor
not yet done and product not yet produced.

Capitalism has become based on promises to pay yet never really wanting
the promises to be filled. The old economic virtue of paying off ones
debts has been replaced with that of debt service.

We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a
socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism.


The attempt to lie about fascism continues. We have been living in a
fascist state for the last 30 years and most especially the last 8
years. To be sure this has not been a pure form of capitalism. But it
has been more a form of capitalism than any form of socialism.


It is all the bad of capitalism with all the bad of socialism. Mind
you, socialism taints deeply.

For
fascism can and will don the cloak of capitalism very easily and wage a
constant all out assault on whatever it chooses to call "socialism". In
so doing, of course, the fascist disguises fascism as capitalism.

Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it
had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism.


Any time there is a problem for the rightard, the blame lies in something
other than fascism. And the favorite is, of course, socialism/communism.


The economic crisis is due to socialism, not fascism.

Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again.


Credit is an integral part of the division and specialization of labor
and the development of _real_ capital.


False. Credit is a means to an end that is subject to compromise.

IF you engage in credit/debt, the YOU MUST accept the risk, not others.

The current state is because of those that engage in the act, but refuse
to accept the risk.

More importantly, "saving" is
integral to society. "saving" and "credit" are the mechanism by which a
society flourishes.


For short term, perhaps. Long term, credit destroys. It has, it does,
and it will.

THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!*
Live within your means; be financially responsible and follow a
budget.


Always sound advice to those who will not invest.


Sound advice period.

Non-guaranteed investments are nothing more than gambling.

Credit and debt are tools of the devil, get out of bondage, get out of
debt.


Debt is, in fact, a bondage.


Right. Get out of it.
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Old June 23rd 09, 11:32 PM posted to alt.child-support,alt.politics.economics,alt.politics.usa.constitution
Peter Franks
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wrote:
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 13:47:50 -0700, Peter Franks
wrote:

We don't live in a capitalist economy. What we live in is a
socialist/communist economy that attempts to masquerade as capitalism.


Nice try, FrankenLoon

But tossing out the "commie/socialist" canard just
draws laughter at you


Laugh all you want. The facts are on my side, those laughing are on
your side -- the side without the facts.

Private property is 95% assured in America


No one said it isn't. What about that 5% -- who or what authorized the
socialism/communism of that? I sure can't find it anywhere in our
Constitution.

But thanks for bringing that up. Even at 5% socialism/communism, we can
see it wrecking our economy, our lifestyle, our everything. Excise the
cancer now before it grows beyond your 5%.

Free enterprise (within rational regulations) is alive
and well. You simply cannot do things just because you
want to----to the detriment of others or society


No one is advocating that except you.

Free enterprise is alive, but not well.

Any time there is a problem, 'capitalism' is to blame, even though it
had nothing to do with it. The solution? More socialism/communism.


Surely, you haven't gone off the deep end and actually
believe that ***, FrankeLoon?


I've provided substantive references to support that claim. You have
countered with -- wait -- nothing...

The problem with capitalism is PEOPLE who engage in
it---and the NEED for regulations to control excesses
of money and power in the society that allows it.
Nothing wrong with engaging in free enterprise---but
those with the ability and drive to do so---have a
marked tendency to excess and use of their power and
money to take advantage of others. That includes
shoddy, or dangerous products, creating health hazards,
ruining enviornment or air, water etc


Appropriate regulation is fine for the purposes of protecting and
securing the rights of others.

Regulation is not appropriate for the redistribution of wealth. The
current economic condition is due to that very type of regulation.

The reason we have rules, regulations and policy that
restricts capitalistic endeavors is to allow those who
work within the rules and protect the rest of us.


No, the reason is to protect the rights of others.

Credit is killing the economy and it will kill again.


But that's a CONSERVATIVE goal, you dumb twit.


Label it whatever you want, I really don't care. The advice is sound.

THE BEST INDIVIDUAL ADVICE that can be given is *get out of debt, NOW!*


Then stop supporting conservatives, republicans


Who said I was. Are you capable of a discussion without injecting your
made up garbage? If so, then do it.

Republicans/conservatives are the party of choice of
capitalists.


Fantastic. I really don't care if that statement is true or false. I
advocate responsibility in action and deed in the preservation of
freedom. If you want to get hung up on your badges of honor and party
politics, find someone else that enjoys time wasting exercises in futility.
 




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