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Old November 30th 03, 05:36 PM
Fern5827
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Default Oldest fundamental liberty of parents in bearing & rearing children

case-the interest of parents in the care, custody, and control of their
children-is perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty [*471] interests
recognized by this Court." Troxel, 530 U.S. at , 147 L. Ed. 2d at 56, 120 S.
Ct. at 2060 (reviewing Court decisions that have recognized and explained the
fundamental interest of parents in the upbringing of their children); accord
People v. R.G., 131 Ill. 2d 328, 342-43, 137 Ill. Dec. 588, 546 N.E.2d 533
(1989) (upholding the constitutionality of the "Minors Requiring Authoritative
Intervention" [***24] statutes (see Ill. Rev. Stat. 1987, ch. 37, par. 803-1 et
seq.) and recognizing that, under United States Supreme Court precedent,
"parents have a liberty interest in bearing and raising their children").

One of latest Supreme Court Holdings on this liberty interest is:

Troxel v Granville.
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Old December 1st 03, 07:01 PM
Kane
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(Fern5827) wrote in message ...
case-the interest of parents in the care, custody, and control of their
children-is perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty [*471] interests
recognized by this Court." Troxel, 530 U.S. at , 147 L. Ed. 2d at 56, 120 S.
Ct. at 2060 (reviewing Court decisions that have recognized and explained the
fundamental interest of parents in the upbringing of their children); accord
People v. R.G., 131 Ill. 2d 328, 342-43, 137 Ill. Dec. 588, 546 N.E.2d 533
(1989) (upholding the constitutionality of the "Minors Requiring Authoritative
Intervention" [***24] statutes (see Ill. Rev. Stat. 1987, ch. 37, par. 803-1 et
seq.) and recognizing that, under United States Supreme Court precedent,
"parents have a liberty interest in bearing and raising their children").

One of latest Supreme Court Holdings on this liberty interest is:

Troxel v Granville.


You'll forgive me dipsydoodle if I presume to much, but it appears as
though you are posting this out of context snippet from T v G to the
alt.parenting.spanking newsgroup contending it protects the rights of
parents, by supreme court findings, to use CP on their children.

At no point was this right mentioned, or questioned, or considered. To
understand T v G, one need only read the full opening paragraph of the
decision, as in:

"Washington Rev. Code §26.10.160(3) permits "[a]ny person" to petition
for visitation rights "at any time" and authorizes state superior
courts to grant such rights whenever visitation may serve a child's
best interest. Petitioners Troxel petitioned for the right to visit
their deceased son's daughters. Respondent Granville, the girls'
mother, did not oppose all visitation, but objected to the amount
sought by the Troxels. The Superior Court ordered more visitation than
Granville desired, and she appealed. The State Court of Appeals
reversed and dismissed the Troxels' petition. In affirming, the State
Supreme Court held, inter alia, that §26.10.160(3) unconstitutionally
infringes on parents' fundamental right to rear their children.
Reasoning that the Federal Constitution permits a State to interfere
with this right only to prevent harm or potential harm to the child,
it found that §26.10.160(3) does not require a threshold showing of
harm and sweeps too broadly by permitting any person to petition at
any time with the only requirement being that the visitation serve the
best interest of the child. "

And why was it you left out the URL to the document? Could it be you
just forgot?

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-138.ZS.html

It is about the right of parents to make decisions, not a claim that
their decisions are correct regardless of the harm those decisions and
attendant actions might bring to the child.

It changed child welfare statutes, outside the confines of limiting
(RRRR and you forgot your big time belief that ASFA REQUIRES relatives
to be the caregivers of choice that T v G shoots down, even if ASFA
was true) relatives in their access to the child, not one whit. Beat
your child and call is spanking then have your attorney cit T v G at
your TRP trial and watch the court laugh.

YOu are the best friend CPS has here, dummy. As I've pointed out
before, any parent in trouble with CPS that comes here and sees what
you and your fool cohorts post can be sure they will not get their
children back.

But will simply be one more family for you to dance in the blood of
while chanting your "Kill CPS Kill CPS" mantra.

Havin' fun yet?

You do realize that everytime you lie you do something very stupid.
You further erode the credibility of all programs you list in your
posts, and their desire to reform CPS.

When you, and they, lie and get caught...which I am here to see you
do, you screw yourself out of each person that reads you coming down
on your side.

All you and they attract is more liars such as yourself, who then
create in the minds of the public and their legislators, the belief
you are all lying...a truism by the way.

I sometimes wonder if you are in fact a CPS factotum sent here to
snare unwary parents and mislead them into doing things that will get
their children taken by the state.

Are you then a CPS bounty hunter? And if so how much do you get per
head?

Keep drawing attention to yourself with this foolishness, Fungi.

Kane
 




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