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Old June 3rd 04, 07:27 AM
greccogirl
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And to think I thought there was no one nuttier than Steve.

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Mon, 31 May 2004 23:24:48 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
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Holger Dansk wrote:


Your ancestors were definitely black


We have no idea what color anyone's ancestors were.


Yes we do. Black people in America have relatives who are descendants
in Africa of the relatives of the black people in America at the time
they were captured by black savages in Africa.


That sentence makes no sense. But how do you know what color their
ancestors were? And how do you know what color their ancestors'
ancestors were?



I was there. :-)


Through the travail of the ages,
Midst the pomp and toil of war,
Have I fought and strove and perished
Countless times upon this star.

In the form of many people
In all panoplies of time
Have I seen the luring vision
Of the Victory Maid, sublime.

I have battled for fresh mammoth,
I have warred for pastures new,
I have listed to the whispers
When the race trek instinct grew.

I have known the call to battle
In each changeless changing shape
From the high souled voice of conscience
To the beastly lust for rape.

I have sinned and I have suffered,
Played the hero and the knave;
Fought for belly, shame, or country,
And for each have found a grave.

I cannot name my battles
For the visions are not clear,
Yet, I see the twisted faces
And I feel the rending spear.

Perhaps I stabbed our Savior
In His sacred helpless side.
Yet, I've called His name in blessing
When after times I died.

In the dimness of the shadows
Where we hairy heathens warred,
I can taste in thought the lifeblood;
We used teeth before the sword.

While in later clearer vision
I can sense the coppery sweat,
Feel the pikes grow wet and slippery
When our Phalanx, Cyrus met.

Hear the rattle of the harness
Where the Persian darts bounced clear,
See their chariots wheel in panic
From the Hoplite's leveled spear.

See the goal grow monthly longer,
Reaching for the walls of Tyre.
Hear the crash of tons of granite,
Smell the quenchless eastern fire.

Still more clearly as a Roman,
Can I see the Legion close,
As our third rank moved in forward
And the short sword found our foes.

Once again I feel the anguish
Of that blistering treeless plain
When the Parthian showered death bolts,
And our discipline was in vain.

I remember all the suffering
Of those arrows in my neck.
Yet, I stabbed a grinning savage
As I died upon my back.

Once again I smell the heat sparks
When my Flemish plate gave way
And the lance ripped through my entrails
As on Crecy's field I lay.

In the windless, blinding stillness
Of the glittering tropic sea
I can see the bubbles rising
Where we set the captives free.

Midst the spume of half a tempest
I have heard the bulwarks go
When the crashing, point blank round shot
Sent destruction to our foe.

I have fought with gun and cutlass
On the red and slippery deck
With all Hell aflame within me
And a rope around my neck.

And still later as a General
Have I galloped with Murat
When we laughed at death and numbers
Trusting in the Emperor's Star.

Till at last our star faded,
And we shouted to our doom
Where the sunken road of Ohein
Closed us in it's quivering gloom.

So but now with Tanks a'clatter
Have I waddled on the foe
Belching death at twenty paces,
By the star shell's ghastly glow.

So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

And I see not in my blindness
What the objects were I wrought,
But as God rules o'er our bickerings
It was through His will I fought.

So forever in the future,
Shall I battle as of yore,
Dying to be born a fighter,
But to die again, once more.

:-)

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm



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Old June 3rd 04, 07:29 AM
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Steve, this guy isn't a repub racist. He's simply completely crazy.
(Obviously). What a waste of bandwidth.

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:


On Mon, 31 May 2004 01:36:55 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:



Holger Dansk wrote:


black-savage-Ethiopian-American women
Holger


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You're a racist **** and you deserve to be killed.


What part of black-savage-Ethiopian-American do you not understand?


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You part where you lie like a racist ****.




Your ancestors were definitely black


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Not in about 60,000 years.




and were and had been savages for
thousands of years hunting with spears and they may have even had bows
and arrows. They ate wildebeest, antelope, monkeys, guineas, hyenas,
wild dogs and each other, etc., etc., etc.


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Actually, the out of Africa folks, if this is what you allude to,
were South Africans, not Ethiopeans, and they were not savages, as
there aren't any such thing. And no cannibalism is documented.




They were captured by black savages and sold to white savages who took
them across the ocean, primarily to Brazil, but they brought your
ancestors to America.


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Now you have history all confused. Most black American slaves were
west coastal Africans.




There is nothing racist about it. Although slavery is very wrong, and
should be abolished all over the world, look how fortunate you are to
be living in America instead of living like your relatives do today in
Africa.


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Are you under the delusion that I'm black?
You repub racists can never figure out why whites would support blacks,
can you? More of your racism!




And, if your ancestors had been carried to Brazil, you, more
than likely, would never have existed because most of them died.


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Nope, and nope.




However, you do not owe anything to the descendants of the white people
who owned you after you came here. In the first place they are, in no
way, responsible for what their ancestors did.

Holger


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Except if they benefitted from it economically with respect to blacks.

And again, you're of the delusion that I'm black, obviously. I'm German
and English and Irish and Scot and Native American (1/8th). I'm as
pink as you are!
Steve



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Old June 3rd 04, 09:13 AM
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On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:32:43 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe"
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Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have
vowels in it?


I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Nonsense. It is *impossible* to speak without making vowel sounds. Period.
Vowel sounds are a necessary requirement of human speech. And Greek is
hardly the first language invented by humans, let alone the first language
to be represented by writing. Are you suggesting that the Egyptians (as just
one example), who were capable of representing names like Osiris and
Amenhotep in hieroglyphs 2000 years before the Greek alphabet was invented,
did not use vowel sounds in their languages or did not have words? Or that
the Chinese, who have been writing their language down without interruption
since 1200 BC (fully 400 years before Homer and the dissemination of the
Greek alphabet) do not now and did not when they began writing use vowels
when they spoke?

All I can say is that you are *sadly* misinformed.


Greek Alphabets

Apart from using the characters of the Greek alphabets as notations in
my maths and science classes, I don't know how to read Greek. (Sigh.
This is a real tragic.) Nor am I a linguist genius, since English is the
only language I know. English is the only language I can read and write.
(Judging by the number of spelling and grammar errors I had, I haven't
even fully mastered English.)

However, I can give you a brief history on the Greek alphabets.

On the right, I have listed the Greek alphabets, with the last column
being the English equivalent of each Greek character.


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So what is the "alphabet"?

To avoid going too deep with theory, the alphabets can be defined as a
set of characters that represented the phonemic structure of the word. A
word will have vowels and consonants. (Well that's enough of the
theory!)

The Greeks did not invent the alphabets. (Well, the writing system was
actually named after them. The word "alphabets" was actually derived
from the first two letters of the Greek alphabets "alpha" and "beta".)

The origin of the alphabets was probably invented between the 17th and
15th century BC, by the Phoenicians, those great sea-going nation in
ancient time. Linguistically, the Phoenician belonged to the Semitic
language, used by the people living in Phoenica (modern Lebanon). (As
oppose to the Greek language being part of the Indo-European family
language.)

What the Greeks invented, was their own set of characters and their
introduction to the vowels in the alphabets full of consonants. The
Phoenician and other Semitic languages didn't have vowels. The Greek
alphabets were invented some time between the 8th and 7th century BC,
after the Dorian Invasion, thus the arrival of the Hellenic people (eg.
Greeks, such as the Dorians, Aeolians and Ionians).

Anyway, the Greek alphabets had greatly influence writing system in
Europe. Because, the Roman or Latin alphabets had borrowed directly and
indirectly the alphabets used by the Greeks. Latin had also borrowed
(more directly) the characters used by the Etruscans, but then the
Etruscans had also borrowed some of the characters from the Greeks as
well.

There was a period in the Republican Rome where the Greek language was
used by the Roman elites and scholars more than their own language:
Latin. The Latin alphabets would later become more widely use than the
Greek, where it had directly influenced the Germanic language, including
English.

Though the Greek alphabets remained unchanged since its invention,
regionally and racially the spoken language had undergone many phonetic
changes over the centuries, so there were many different dialects in
Greek.

http://www.timelessmyths.com/classic...rld.html#Greek

The Greeks made many contributions to the world in addition to putting
vowels in language. Aristotle contributed more to the mind of western
man than anyone who ever lived. John Locke, the great philosopher,
studied Aristotle's philosophy and Thomas Jefferson studied Locke and
Aristotle and their philosophy was used to write our constitution.

To the extent that "Western Civilization" can be said to have an origin,
it is the Ancient Greeks that have claim to it. Whereas the history of
the Roman Empire is a chronology of its generals and emperors, the
history of the Greeks is, with the exception of Alexander and his legacy
in Egypt, one of philosophers, scientists, artists, and thinkers.

http://www.naciente.com/essay46.htm

And while we may never think of Plato or Aristotle as we carry on in our
daily lives, it was their inquiry into knowledge that has served as the
foundation for all subsequent inquiries. Indeed, many have argued with
W. H. Auden that "had Greek civilization never existed we would never
have become fully conscious, which is to say that we would never have
become, for better or worse, fully human."

http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture8b.html

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm
  #504  
Old June 3rd 04, 09:56 AM
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greccogirl wrote:

None is required? You do live in fantasy land. What someone should or
should not feel in a family situation you know nothing about is proof of
nothing.

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Don't pretend others are not your judge.
Steve


R. Steve Walz wrote:

greccogirl wrote:


What is your proof?


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None is required, because if the don't, they SHOULD, and they're
LYING because of their abuse.
Steve




R. Steve Walz wrote:


I think Cosby would tell you that they probably don't even know what
good parenting is.

Holger


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Cosby is so hated by his own children that they'd tell you he doesn't.
Steve


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Old June 3rd 04, 09:57 AM
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greccogirl wrote:

Oreo is simply an insult you use when a person of color doesn't agree
with you.

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When they are more racist than *I* am it GIVES me the right!
Steve


R. Steve Walz wrote:

greccogirl wrote:






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Cosby is a rich rightist asshole, he always has been, he has played
golf with Nixon and Reagan, and he's a black racist. The "I don't
give a damn" attitide is a form of disrespect that the white society
has earned with its racist and economic brutality and unfairness!!!
Steve



Well I've heard a lot of weird stuff but labeling Cosby as a racist is
quite amusing. Besides what you're not getting, is the form of
"disrespect" that you think hurts white America is really just hurting
black America. It isn't hurting those they think they are hurting.
That is what Cosby is trying to say


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Cosby has always hung out with the GOP, he's a log-cabin repub dildo.
Or didn't you know that, he's a ****ing Oreo.
Steve


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Old June 3rd 04, 09:58 AM
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greccogirl wrote:





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**** rescue, I only want that sad little liar to shut the **** up!
Steve


I'll just bet you do, Steve, I'll just bet you do. It's clear how much
he irritates you! People of color who don't agree with you about the
world generally **** you off I'm sure.

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Has nothing whatsoever to do with color.
Steve
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Old June 3rd 04, 01:32 PM
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I'll just bet you do, Steve, I'll just bet you do. It's clear how
much he irritates you! People of color who don't agree with you
about the world generally **** you off I'm sure.

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Has nothing whatsoever to do with color.
Steve


"Or didn't you know that, he's a ****ing Oreo."
-- Steve

No, nothing to do with color. Everyone knows the color-blind nature of the
hackneyed Oreo comment.

Slainte,
Fletch


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Old June 3rd 04, 01:33 PM
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R. Steve Walz wrote:
greccogirl wrote:

Oreo is simply an insult you use when a person of color doesn't agree
with you.

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When they are more racist than *I* am it GIVES me the right!
Steve


Actually, you have the right irrespective of that. But it shows how full of
crap you are when you say it has nothing to do with race whatsoever.

Slainte,
Fletch


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Old June 3rd 04, 02:50 PM
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:32:43 -0700, "Circe" wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have
vowels in it?

I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Nonsense. It is *impossible* to speak without making vowel sounds. Period.
Vowel sounds are a necessary requirement of human speech. And Greek is
hardly the first language invented by humans, let alone the first language
to be represented by writing. Are you suggesting that the Egyptians (as just
one example), who were capable of representing names like Osiris and
Amenhotep in hieroglyphs 2000 years before the Greek alphabet was invented,
did not use vowel sounds in their languages or did not have words? Or that
the Chinese, who have been writing their language down without interruption
since 1200 BC (fully 400 years before Homer and the dissemination of the
Greek alphabet) do not now and did not when they began writing use vowels
when they spoke?

All I can say is that you are *sadly* misinformed.


Greek Alphabets

Apart from using the characters of the Greek alphabets as notations in
my maths and science classes, I don't know how to read Greek. (Sigh.
This is a real tragic.) Nor am I a linguist genius, since English is the
only language I know. English is the only language I can read and write.
(Judging by the number of spelling and grammar errors I had, I haven't
even fully mastered English.)

However, I can give you a brief history on the Greek alphabets.


Which is totally irrelevant. Language is primarily a spoken
phenomenon. Alphabets are merely one way to write down a language to
preserve it in readable form.

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them had
NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless. Some, the
Semitic languages, had ways of being written without vowels, because
if you know the language you can figure out the vowels, jst s ths
sntnc s ndrstndbl t mst ppl wh knw nglsh. Some, like Chinese, used
individual symbols for entire words, and thus displayed neither
consonants nor vowels. But written Chinese notwithstanding, Chinese
does have both consonants and vowels.

lojbab
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lojbab
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(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:
http://www.lojban.org
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Old June 3rd 04, 02:56 PM
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On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 12:33:32 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
greccogirl wrote:

Oreo is simply an insult you use when a person of color doesn't agree
with you.

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When they are more racist than *I* am it GIVES me the right!
Steve


Actually, you have the right irrespective of that. But it shows how full of
crap you are when you say it has nothing to do with race whatsoever.


It just now occurred to me. You must be some of Ike Newkirk's Sunday
morning listeners that call in almost every Sunday.

Slainte,
Fletch

Holger

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