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Barbara wrote: SNIP I tend to stay away from the bible thumpers, because I'd rather not be told that I'm going to hell, or my kids need to be in church. SNIP And this would differ from religious people who would prefer that their children not play with non-religious people ... exactly how? Barbara Non-religious people aren't going to tell you how wrong you are for your beliefs and are not going to try to cram *their* beliefs down your throat. One is an aggressive stance (proselytization) the other is a passive stance. The question wasn't related to people who want to jam religion down your throat. The question was whether your average religious person would mind their kid being friendly with an atheist child. I thought not. Then someone popped up saying that she would prefer that her child not associate with *bible thumpers* -- which in that context I took to mean *any* religious person. And I maintain -- why is it *more* acceptable for non-religious people to shun religious people than vice versa? Perhaps I misinterpreted the words of the OP, and what she REALLY meant to say was that while she welcomed her children's friendships not only with people in the communities she mentioned, but with religious people of all persuasions, she would prefer that they need befriend the children of prostelytizers. Frankly, I've encountered a lot more NON-religious people who feel free to call me crazy for my beliefs, and who challenge me at every step, than I ever have religious people trying to proselytize. I find both equally offensive, however. Again, however, most *religious* people do not proselytize. Barbara |
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"Barbara" wrote in message oups.com... -L. wrote: Barbara wrote: SNIP I tend to stay away from the bible thumpers, because I'd rather not be told that I'm going to hell, or my kids need to be in church. SNIP And this would differ from religious people who would prefer that their children not play with non-religious people ... exactly how? Barbara Non-religious people aren't going to tell you how wrong you are for your beliefs and are not going to try to cram *their* beliefs down your throat. One is an aggressive stance (proselytization) the other is a passive stance. The question wasn't related to people who want to jam religion down your throat. The question was whether your average religious person would mind their kid being friendly with an atheist child. I thought not. Then someone popped up saying that she would prefer that her child not associate with *bible thumpers* -- which in that context I took to mean *any* religious person. from http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-political-epithets Bible thumper n. Offensive. Used as a disparaging term for a Christian, especially a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian, considered to be overly zealous in haranguing or censuring others. And I maintain -- why is it *more* acceptable for non-religious people to shun religious people than vice versa? Perhaps I misinterpreted the words of the OP, and what she REALLY meant to say was that while she welcomed her children's friendships not only with people in the communities she mentioned, but with religious people of all persuasions, she would prefer that they need befriend the children of prostelytizers. Frankly, I've encountered a lot more NON-religious people who feel free to call me crazy for my beliefs, and who challenge me at every step, than I ever have religious people trying to proselytize. I find both equally offensive, however. Again, however, most *religious* people do not proselytize. Barbara |
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My daughter will be prepared to deal with people who want to jam
religion down her throat. I am mostly worried about her not having friends at all in the community I live it. I remember being afraid of non religious kids. No one ever told me to be scared of them directly, but the general enviornment I was raised in made me think all non religious people were some how sinners who had some reason for not going to church. That they must want to get away with sins and other horrible things so they have found a way to reject god. I've been accused of this myself by my own family. Sometimes I worry that my daughter will be the black sheep because she wasn't raised to have any religious beliefs. That is my concern. |
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"Rosalie B." wrote in message ... There was a case - in one of the Carolinas (?) where the young boy (grade school age) was coming to school and preaching on the playground (I mean the kind of preaching that was LOUD) and telling not only the other children but also the teachers that they were going to hell. His parents felt that this was his right to do under free speech and freedom to practice his religion. OTOH this was on public property (not a private or religious school) where religion shouldn't be practiced. [Note - this is a US public and private school - I know the terminology is different in England] The teachers did not care for him telling them that they were going to hell as they felt it was disrespectful and disruptive (which it was). The parents of the other children were upset and so were the children themselves. I don't remember how this was resolved. I remember that. I think most of it was the parents' doing. They encouraged it, but only of their sons. The girl was not allowed to do it because it was the boys' job. Their DD just stood behind the boys and handed out leaflets. They had the poor kids on the talk shows, using language I doubt most kids understood. |
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"toypup" wrote: "Rosalie B." wrote in message ... There was a case - in one of the Carolinas (?) where the young boy (grade school age) was coming to school and preaching on the playground (I mean the kind of preaching that was LOUD) and telling not only the other children but also the teachers that they were going to hell. His parents felt that this was his right to do under free speech and freedom to practice his religion. OTOH this was on public property (not a private or religious school) where religion shouldn't be practiced. [Note - this is a US public and private school - I know the terminology is different in England] The teachers did not care for him telling them that they were going to hell as they felt it was disrespectful and disruptive (which it was). The parents of the other children were upset and so were the children themselves. I don't remember how this was resolved. I remember that. I think most of it was the parents' doing. They encouraged it, but only of their sons. The girl was not allowed to do it because it was the boys' job. Their DD just stood behind the boys and handed out leaflets. They had the poor kids on the talk shows, using language I doubt most kids understood. I remember this case, too -- but can't for the life of me remember what the eventual outcome was. I know lawsuits were filed . . . Does anyone reading this remember how it came out? None of the searches I've tried have brought me to anything. -- Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care |
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"Barbara" wrote in message
oups.com... The question wasn't related to people who want to jam religion down your throat. The question was whether your average religious person would mind their kid being friendly with an atheist child. I thought not. There are many people who will not let their children hang around non-believers. Then someone popped up saying that she would prefer that her child not associate with *bible thumpers* -- which in that context I took to mean *any* religious person. No, by bible thumpers, I meant people who try to cram their beliefs down my throat, tell me I'm going to hell or that my children need to be in church. Those who think their way is the ONLY way to believe and everyone else is damned to hell. And I maintain -- why is it *more* acceptable for non-religious people to shun religious people than vice versa? Perhaps I misinterpreted the words of the OP, and what she REALLY meant to say was that while she welcomed her children's friendships not only with people in the communities she mentioned, but with religious people of all persuasions, she would prefer that they need befriend the children of prostelytizers. Frankly, I've encountered a lot more NON-religious people who feel free to call me crazy for my beliefs, and who challenge me at every step, than I ever have religious people trying to proselytize. I find both equally offensive, however. Again, however, most *religious* people do not proselytize. I actually have never heard any atheist irl say negative things to a Christian. I have seen it online of course! I have witnessed many, many Christians be nasty to Muslims and Jews, and african-americans. It is amazing and disappointing to me. I was raised in baptist churches, and the children and teens were always given tracts to pass out to sinners. We were taught that one of the things to show you were a Christian was to witness to others. Marie |
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wrote in message oups.com... Would you have a problem with your child being friends with an atheist, or being friends with a child who's parents are atheists? The reason I ask is that I am an atheist and I have a daughter who is almost two and I live in a very religious area. Now that my daughter is not really a baby anymore I am starting to think about these issues and wondering if she is going to have trouble having friends. I live in a religious area. I kid you not. Within a two block area near my house, there are five churches. If I drive from here to the freeway, there are even more. We don't have many trick-or-treaters anymore because they're all at church the harvest festival (aka Halloween). There are plenty of religious people knocking on our doors trying to convert us. We are not religious. However, I don't think my kids will be friendless. It just doesn't come up. If the kids were that intolerant, they just lost the opportunity to know my wonderful kids. Anyway, I spent a part of my childhood in an all white neighborhood that did not like Asians much because of the Vietnam war. When bigotry was a problem, I did not understand it, so it did not affect me. Looking back, I can see the racist comments, but I had no clue at the time. Likewise, your DD may not even notice why things are. By the time she does, she'll have her own way of dealing with it. |
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I remember that. I think most of it was the parents' doing. They
encouraged it, but only of their sons. The girl was not allowed to do it because it was the boys' job. Their DD just stood behind the boys and handed out leaflets. They had the poor kids on the talk shows, using ..language I doubt most kids understood. Seriously? Geeze, that girl is going to have issues left and right for the rest of her life. |
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