Father's importance no laughing matter

nimue wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life
that determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a
positive male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach
or mentor. Jeff
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Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention,

Why? If it's just mom and kid (or dad and kid), there is no one else
competing for attention.
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Except work and everybody else.


and that they will be poor

Not necessarily. A friend of mine is about to have a kid and she is single.
She pulls down about $500,000 a year.
----------------
Only wear the shoe when it fits, dummy.


and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything.

Prove it.
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Don't need to, it's an obvious rationale.
Steve


It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.
Steve

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nimue

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Justme Athome wrote:
I've noticed EXACTLY everything you mentioned. It seems that
depicting
the father as the clueless dud started with All In The Family and
has
gone downhill from there.

Archie Bunker was not a clueless twit. He some issues, as well as
do, but he really loved his daughter.

With the exception of the Cosby Show, there
have been very few positive television 'fathers' since then. Sad.

The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders), as does
Little House in the Prairie, The Waltons, Brady Bunch, Good Times,
M*A*S*H, Home Improvement, Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years,
Empty Nest, NYPD Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and
Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he
was a father figure), and Picket Fences.

Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child. He
was a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives? Though
I admit I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could have turned
into a skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and Order: SVU?

Bizby

Jeff wrote in newsdXhi.3786$vG2.1675@trnddc02:

The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders), as does Little
House in the Prairie, The Waltons, Brady Bunch, Good Times, M*A*S*H,
Home Improvement, Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years, Empty Nest, NYPD
Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob
Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he was a father figure), and
Picket Fences.


I was of the impression that Flanders was intended to be a poke at that
type of person, not a roll model.

Tim Taylor may have cared about his kids and his family, but he was
portrayed as a lovable buffon, as was Ray Romano.

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life that
determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a positive
male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach or mentor.
Jeff
----------------------
Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention, and that they will be poor and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything. It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.

No, it has to do with having a male adult in a boy's life, regardless of
relationship.

Jeff


Steve

On Jul 1, 9:42 pm, Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life that
determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a positive
male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach or mentor.

Jeff

Children with married parents do better than those not living with
only their mother on average, but I don't think the time the father
spends with his children is the main reason for this difference. I
think I read in the book "The Nurture Assumption" by Judith Rich
Harris that children of mothers who were married to their father but
later widowed resembled chidren of married biological parents much
more closely than children of unwed mothers. Men and women who bear
children out of wedlock are on average less intelligent and
responsible than those who do not, and these characteristics are
passed on to their offspring through their genes to some extent.
Murray and Herrnstein discuss these issues in the "Bell Curve".

On a personal note, with 3 kids under age 4, I hope to be around as
they grow up. If I died tomorrow, though, they would still have an
upper middle class upbringing, primarily because of the type of person
my wife is, and secondarily because we have assets and life insurance.
It's politically correct and non-judgmental to lump widowed married
mothers and unwed mothers together as "single mothers", but they are
different types of people on average, with children fathered by
different types of men.

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:
Justme Athome wrote:
I've noticed EXACTLY everything you mentioned. It seems that depicting
the father as the clueless dud started with All In The Family and has
gone downhill from there.
Archie Bunker was not a clueless twit. He some issues, as well as do,
but he really loved his daughter.
----------------------
Bunker loved his stupidity more than any other single thing.
He was portrayed by an arch Left-Liberal who grabbed at the chance
to show people what ignorant assholes idiotic right-wingers were.


With the exception of the Cosby Show, there
have been very few positive television 'fathers' since then. Sad.
The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders),
-------------------
Flanders is a cartoon moron, and the joke of the show.

Yet he was loved and respected by his family and his family.

as does Little House in the Prairie,
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In real life Landon was a drunk.

Irrelevant.

The Waltons,
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Variation on Beverly Hillbillies. People saw it as trite and stupid.

I disagree. A lot of people were able to relate to the show because they
or their parents and grandparents grew up under similar conditions.

Brady Bunch,
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Stupid and useless. Meaningless trash.

The parents were involved in the lives of all the kids.

Good Times,
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Useless.

Poor family, but they still managed to stay to gether and get food on
the table.

M*A*S*H,
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Who's the "Dad", Hawkeye? Great show, but it was chiefly aimed at
demolishing right-wing conventional morality.

Actually, Hawkeye's and Margret's fathers and BJ.

Home Improvement,
----------------
Comedy act. Dad was a nit-wit.

Yet, he really cared about his job, about selling good tools and about
his kids and wife.

Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years, Empty Nest, NYPD
Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob
Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he was a father figure), and
Picket Fences.

Jeff
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All those you mentioned were laughable clowns or moronic Xtian bigots.
Steve

In your opinion.

If you have something sensible to say in this thread, I will respond to
you. Until then, bye.

Jeff

bizby40 wrote:
"Jeff" wrote in message
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Justme Athome wrote:
I've noticed EXACTLY everything you mentioned. It seems that
depicting
the father as the clueless dud started with All In The Family and
has
gone downhill from there.
Archie Bunker was not a clueless twit. He some issues, as well as
do, but he really loved his daughter.

With the exception of the Cosby Show, there
have been very few positive television 'fathers' since then. Sad.
The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders), as does
Little House in the Prairie, The Waltons, Brady Bunch, Good Times,
M*A*S*H, Home Improvement, Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years,
Empty Nest, NYPD Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and
Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he
was a father figure), and Picket Fences.

Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER!

Excellent. I forgot about that. I haven't watched the show in years, but
I remember that, now.

Jeff


The one with the deaf child. He
was a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives? Though
I admit I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could have turned
into a skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and Order: SVU?

Bizby

R. Steve Walz wrote:
nimue wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life
that determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a
positive male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach
or mentor. Jeff
----------------------
Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having
a second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't
get as much attention,

Why? If it's just mom and kid (or dad and kid), there is no one else
competing for attention.
----------------
Except work and everybody else.

You will find the same thing in a two-parent family. Both parents work (or
do you think one stays home)? In a two parent family, parents might want to
spend time with one another. A single parent might have a boyfriend or
girlfriend, or might not. It probably works out the same.


and that they will be poor

Not necessarily. A friend of mine is about to have a kid and she is
single. She pulls down about $500,000 a year.
----------------
Only wear the shoe when it fits, dummy.

I am not the one making sweeping statements like, "They will be poor"
without considering that the opposite could be true.


and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything.

Prove it.
----------------
Don't need to, it's an obvious rationale.

No, you need to prove it.

Steve


It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.
Steve

--
nimue

--
nimue

"Let your freak-flag fly, and if someone doesn't get you, move on."
Drew Barrymore

R. Steve Walz wrote:
snip


The Waltons,
--------------------
Variation on Beverly Hillbillies. People saw it as trite and stupid.

Actually, it was not at all a variation on the Beverly Hillbillies. Did you
ever see it? It wasn't a sitcom. It was an hour-long drama, actually, that
told the story of a close-knit, depression-era family. It covered all kinds
of topics, from the Depression to war to family to love to art, etc. It had
nothing in common with the Beverly Hillbillies.


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nimue

"Let your freak-flag fly, and if someone doesn't get you, move on."
Drew Barrymore

In article , nimue says...

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life
that determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a
positive male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach
or mentor. Jeff
----------------------
Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention,


Why? If it's just mom and kid (or dad and kid), there is no one else
competing for attention.


This can be true. And adoption agencies have found that certain kids (those
with some attachement problems) actually do better in a single parent home.

and that they will be poor

Not necessarily. A friend of mine is about to have a kid and she is single.
She pulls down about $500,000 a year.

Which makes me poor by comparison, but hey, I'm hardly poor.


and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything.

Prove it.

I'm ssooooooo stresssssed ;-)

Banty