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<----------- KANE
Child was removed, with no removal hearing. Or should I say, there was
no "timely" hearing? A certain State Rep. inquired into the case, after being contacted with complaints. Said Rep. sit's in on subsequent hearings. Said Rep. isn't at all impressed with the way statutes were violated. The presiding Judge ordered, after apparently deciding that the allegations of spanking were without merit, that the child be returned and case closed. Later, CPS went to A DIFFERENT Judge to seek an order of removal, which was granted. The child was returned to bio. father, where it is alleged that sexual abuse began to occur. There has to be considerably more to this case we are not privy to. * Yes indeed there is. I can't wait until the case reaches it's conclusion so it may be discussed in full. At this time, I have a bias view in that I haven't heard much of the testimonials by the actual parties to this case. To say that one party is is right or wrong as to the specific details, would be premature of me. My question is this: Why would CPS/FIA seek out an order of removal from a different Judge, after the original Judge ruled that the child should be returned to the caretakers? It was obviously an attempt by CPS to conspire in the sexual abuse of a child. No doubt workers flocked to the father's home to participate in the orgy. ** No. But it was an obvious attempt to disregard a court order. This is why there is another hearing scheduled to go back before the first judge to explain CPS's position. A) The 1st Judge really wanted to rule in favor of CPS, but because of the technicality, (the timely hearing thingy) his hands were tied? What timely hearing thingy? * Thank you for pointing this out. The timely hearing thing is actually an issue of the 2nd removal. In Michigan, a hearing is to be held within 24 hours of an order for emergency removal, unless the order to remove was issued on a weekend, then it must be scheduled within 72 hours. This was not done for the 2nd removal. So A) Should read. The 1st Judge really wanted to rule in favor of CPS, but because of a technicality, his hands were tied? B) CPS tried to manipulate, for whatever reason, to achieve a desired outcome? You asked a question that no one has the answer to except to assume malfeasance or malpractice. Is that the case..and if so why would we think so? * That is the intent of the question. Did CPS judge shop? If so, why? I have personally experienced the state going to a different judge to seek an order, when the presiding judge said no. I am wondering if this was unique and case specific, or if it happens more often than one would think. We simply haven't enough information. This ng is rife with this kind of idle and often vicious speculation. Is CPS to be judged without adequate information on the off chance they may have been in the wrong? * I concur. That is why it is my intention to be present at the next hearing so I my make an informed opinion. As you ask....what could be their motive? Could it be the father conned them too? Now are they immune for being conned? Failed psychic advisors? Given the level of conning going on with the population that CPS serves, that MORE DON'T slip by is amazing. Most older workers are extremely cynical...because of all that...and it's seen by clients as them being seen as guilty and having to probe their innocence. * You got that right! It is amazing how some of these workers get duped. C) Other? Are we to assume you are as open to possible answers that did not in fact make CPS the villian? * That would be a correct assumption. I would like to know the reasoning behind CPS's decision to get an order, from a different judge, to remove this particular child but not the other children. I would like to attend the hearing so that I have both sides take on this. Why CPS was so concerned about this particular child and the measure's they took to get her removed, but not the other children, is confusing to me. Also at issue, is the way people hope to accomplish real reform. Yes, that IS a major issue..and sometimes headed down a very dangerous path. Some "reformers" want to harvest families currently in the throws of CPS battles to get their children back....exactly when they need to NOT be focused on windmill tilting and becoming "aborted baby placard" like fodder. * The people I've met that champion the cause of reform, have different approaches and idea's of how to achieve meaningful reform. I am trying to align myself with those who demonstrate the willingness and the ability to to effect positive change. "I contend that knowingly or uncousciously, more likely BOTH, the phony baloney anti CPS reform crowd WANTS THEM TO FAIL, TO LOSE THEIR CHILDREN....they make for better press...if it bleeds it leads, I believe on poster here recently, Mark, remarked." * See above. As I stood outside the courthouse, along with approx. 20+ other people, I observed that members of the community were curious as to why we were there. While everyone was there for the common goal of reform, we all elaborated our individual reasons why reform is necessary. A couple of interesting observations occured to me. I'm not a great fan of picket lines. They have limited use, and considerable potential to **** uninvolved citizens off. Letters to the editor, phone calls, email, faxes, letters to legislators and executive branch folk..governors and such, are I believe more effective. * I do all of those things as well. Additionally, there is the fact that a State Rep. has personally taken issue with this case. As far as ****ing the uninvolved citizen off, the only person who wasn't fond of the line was the 30 yr. veteran officer. Everyone else seemed very supportive to the idea of reform. "The MOST effective is to appear in front of hearing committees and panels and speak.............NO NOT AS THE MEMBER OF A GROUP....but as Ms Jane Smith, citizen...and tell YOUR story. Nothing is so newsworthy, nor politico staff attention getting as one single person that speaks out alone." * I have done this as well. "They all know how that looks to the public...in America, at any rate. WE LOVE the loner, the underdog, and will believe damn near anything that comes out of their mouth. Look at our entertainment, song, theater, art. It's ripe with this theme. Use it. " * I hope and pray this is true. 1) Of everyone (with the exception of one) that inquired, all had knowledge of CPS/FIA involvement, (read= child removal) either on a personal basis or a relative or friend basis. These people had a highly undesirable opinion of FIA/CPS practices. Even people who provide foster care and related services. The exception, was a retired 30 year veteran law enforcement officer who outright told us we were wrong for being there and expressing our distrust of the system. His take was; so what if these agencies make mistakes, they are actually underpaid for caring about kids. "Mmm...I'm not sure he's being accurately quoted...and remember, he got to see the results of child abuse and neglect up close and personal...probably way too close for him to sleep well at night...and is as biased in his way as you folks can be in yours." * My quotation of him is pretty accurate, he made his sentiments quite clear.. "If you tried to find families that had benefited by CPS intervention, and they are certainly out there, and do a balanced assessment of this agency, you would have more power...much more than you do now, to make reforms where CPS does fail, and needs change and support." * Yes. Absolutely. "It is POWERFUL in argument to point out the good traits of the opposition before getting around to ONE, and ONLY ONE negative trait at a time." * Thank you. That sounds like good advise. "Going in with nothing be the negative and making EVERYTHING CPS does wrong, turns off even the most dedicated objective listener. Reformers have a long way to go...well, those that don't already know and use what I am telling you. If the anti CPS phony balonies would learn to tone it down, to study and use some simple debating and interpersonal communication skills they would no longer be phonies, in my eyes, or that of the legislators or the remaining public." * So does this fit that description? Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michelle" nineballgirlXXXX@XX... Add to Address Book Subject: Child protection reform bill. To: mmortimer@h... Mr. Mortimer, As a constituent in Jackson County, I urge you to stand behind the following bill, authored by Rep. Fulton Sheen. This bill will eliminate the neccessity for child welfare workers to have to interpret what constitute's severe physical injury and assist them in making better decisions when they are confronted with removing a child from the home. As you know, child welfare workers and CPS have a very difficult job to do. There are many tragic situations that confront them, that require them to use judgment calls while trying to carry out their duty to protect children. We hear of many horror stories, right here in Michigan, where children are not removed from abusive situations when CPS is called to intervene, leading to serious injury or death to the child, while others are removed from homes for reasons that do not warrant removal. I believe this is due to the judgement calls that are made by inexperienced or improperly trained workers and their supervisors who are charged with intrepeting laws that are too vague in scope. By better defining child protection laws, we can reach a common goal, that is to serve "in the best interest of the child" and hold child welfare workers accountable to the position in which they have been entrusted. I believe this bill to be to the benefit of all citizens. Not only will this offer protections to parents and children, but to the workers who serve families here in Michigan. The bill: HIB 6210 changes ONE LINE in Sec 8(3)(c) in the Child Protection Law (MCL 722.628) which has already been amended by Sheen in 2004 PA 195 (his previous bill passed into law). MCL 722.628 Sec. 8(3)(c) is CHANGED as follows...FROM THIS: (c) Abuse or neglect resulting in severe physical injury to the child requires medical treatment or hospitalization. For purposes of this subdivision and section 17, "severe physical injury" means brain damage, skull or bone fracture, subdural hemorrhage or hematoma, dislocation, sprains, internal injuries, poisoning, burns, scalds, severe cuts, or any other physical injury that seriously impairs the health or physical well-being of a child. TO THIS: (c) Abuse or neglect resulting in severe physical injury to the child requires medical treatment or hospitalization. For purposes of this subdivision and section 17, "severe physical injury" means brain damage, skull or bone fracture, subdural hemorrhage or hematoma, dislocation, sprains, internal injuries, poisoning, burns, scalds, severe cuts, or any other severe physical injury that threatens the life of a child. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Sincerely, Michelle XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXX Jackson, Mi 49203 (517) XXXXXXX Mark, were you the one behind this? (To be fair, he said that MOST CPS/FIA workers really do care about kids and mistakes happen. These workers are paid so very little for what they do.) He is correct. And except for a tiny minority of total ditzes, and all human organizations or demographics have those, criminals, dummies, whatever, the real cause of the mistakes is the job characteristics. People that abuse and neglect their children are, upon exposure, dedicated to, and able to immediately take on the coloration of the innocent...CPS then has to sort the two kinds of clients out. * That's why I am just flabbergasted that these cases of abuse and neglect, that are criminal acts, are not tried in the criminal courts, more than they are. If the standards of innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt were employed in these cases, the state would probably have to rethink it's position on alot of the cases that floods the courts. I truly believe that caseworkers would see a reduction in caseloads and be able to offer more effective services to families, if the criminals in the real cases of abuse and neglect were criminally prosecuted. So many resources and man hours are wasted on cases where abuse and criminal neglect exsists, yet the only place the case is tried is in the civil court. If there is evidence of abuse and neglect, misdemeaners at the very least, then charge them criminally. If found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, then start the TPR action. It does absolutely no good to anyone to offer the abusers all these services, then when the time limit expires, start TPR proceedings, but nevergo after them criminally. Save those resources for and direct them to families who are at risk for neglect, by way of prevention services. Let the scumbags do their time in jail. "They aren't psychics." * Nor should they be. Leave it up to the state to make the case of criminal abuse and neglect in criminal court. "And the caseloads are horrendous. In 1990, I surveyed one state...and was assured it was similar across the country, and caseloads were upwards of 60 per worker, with an occasional 80 here and there, mostly because some that needed to be closed couldn't be because the worker couldn't get the time to do all the work required....and the state was forbidding workers to log and collect for overtime. Even at that, working off the clock they STILL didn't have enough time to catch up." * If the decision to remove the child is made and the order is granted, then place the child. If the state has a case for criminal prosecution they do. If they don't, they don't. Close the case and move on to the next one. This removes the burden from the worker to the prosecutors office. If their is no criminal act, send the kid home, if that's what the family wants. Offer them services, if that's what they ask for. Then get the hell out of their business. "Fortunately the next budget hearing resulted in an increase and they hired people to do nothing, their first year, but close case...rather a good way to learn about how to do casework, in fact." * That's sounds like a sensible approach to me. *(Maybe if there was more accountability for the ones who don't care and just do it to get the check, I would have been a little more consoled about the "mistakes happen" part.) The old "accountability" charge. Well, you'll be surprised to know there IS such accountability. I got a supervisored fired. Took me five damn years because she kept a letter of intent to sue the state active for all that time and the state kept blocking any investigation of her thereby. * Congratulations. I hope I achieve the same outcome. So far there has been no accountability for the worker. Just a child who nearly died as a result of her willful disregard for childs safety, although she was fully informed of the childs severe medical condition and the consequences of not having proper medical treatment. The doctors had professionally consulted her, yet she went againstthe sound medical advise and acted without regard to the childs best interest. She should be held accountable, along with those that swiftly moved to cover her ass. "Finally caught her at her games and presented evidence," I have presented evidence as well. Irrefutable evidence at that, yet no one seems bothered by it. Just alot of ass covering and hoping it just goes away. It won't. "Gone for good." * Good. Let's get rid of the bad seeds and those who cover for them. 2) Although there were many that came from all around the State of Michigan for a common goal of educating the masses as to why reform is necessary, (and the public at large agree's) there is no clear cut message that we have as to how to make these changes. (Sorry for the long winded observances, it's a product of a public education? That, and I don't use spell check) NO matter. Not imporant. Much more important that you have identified that block to reform...and it's always the biggie. And here's the problem in CPS reform that so many face. A group of disaffected, and otherwise questionable folks, have been collecting "facts" about CPS for years, out of context, unwilling to have CPS explain what is standard practice and why those things are done, monumentally incorrect assumptions as to the motives of workers, or others involved in child protection. ** I'm glad that you brought this up. What I found interesting how little some workers knew of their own policy. I could cite their standard practice and when it applied, yet they knew not. I've never worked in child protection, but when I got my hands on the policy and proceedures manual, it seemed pretty clear to me what was and was not acceptable. How is it that I, with no formal training, was able to recite policy but the trained & educated could not? Very strange. "I keep suggesting people become a volunteer at CPS...you will have, in short order, the policy manuals not only at your disposal but likely as part of yoru training. CPS volunteers are bg checked, and trained." *See above. If I were to try and volunteer at CPS, I may not be accepted. But I will try and see where it goes. Thank you. "Here's the final problem....for you to keep your energy and commitment to reform (and we ALL must as citizens, do this if we want this government to stay OURS) in the face of findout out all the hot air is incorrect...or incorrect because it's based on ignorance, and the ensuing claims and conclusions are piles of manure." Yes. It is very difficult when first entering this realm, from a parents perspective. There are many stages that you go thru. For me, it goes like this: 1) How could this happen to me? I didn't do anything wrong. 2) Try to educate yourself on your States policy and proceedure, because you know somewhere along the line, they are being violated. They have to be. This just can't happen. 3) You stumble across support groups and see that you are not alone. You tell your story and start asking for advise. 4) Advice comes your way, some good, some bad. You have to decide if it makes sense or not and what course of action you will take. 5) You get this false sense of security that someone can help you. As well intentioned as some of the advice givers are, they cannot do anything that you can't do yourself. Don't get me wrong. I think the support I received was & is fantastic. I am very grateful for the people that came to my hearings and guided me to the right authorities. People who wrote letters and made phone calls. People who testified before house committee's and have done radio talk shows dealing with my case. It's absolutely critical to get that kind of exposure when you are in fact innocent. We had an interesting conversation with a former Michigan foster child (whom has authored a book and contributes articles to various adoption egroups)who knows the system from the inside. What I found incredible about this individual is his ability to emotionally detatch (perhaps a trait acquired while being shuttled to 11 different foster homes, "some good, some bad") and not harbor resentment. His TRUE objective is to spreahead reform and advocate for the child. " A voice for the voiceless" as he puts it. Ah, now you are getting somewhere. This supposed "victim" isn't doing the nutcase, "DESTROY CPS" dance. What does that tell you? * No, he isn't. It tells me that he truly cares about the plight of children in the system. So do I. I have been TPR'd. But I still have obtained a prepaid 2 year college tuition for my son who will "age out" I do not trust the state to provide him anything. The State of Michigan turned down Millions in "age out" funds last year. From what I gathered, this gentleman wants to focus on the positives that CPS has done and can do. Yet put emphasis, by way of forming public policy, on the rights of the child. Could he be more on target, or more rational? * No. I think he has hit the nail on the head. "hat that does is then highlight those areas that DO need reform, and in fact ARE a problem..with the law, with funding, with hiring, with education, with caseloads." * I completely agree. Having been in the system in that capacity, he is a much stronger voice for change than someone like myself who has been in the system in a different capacity. I still know that I have a very useful purpose in the area of reform for being able to bring my perspective to the table. "(Wouldn't hurt either if the dang schools of social work and CPS all over the country would get together and adopt a practice standards in child welfare manual..the content is pretty much available "off the shelf" if they'll do it)" * Here...Here! He empahtically stated " I do not advocate for biological parents. I do not advocate for foster parents. I do not advocate for adoptive parents. I do not advocate for CPS or (insert your states agency name here) I advocate for the child." Which is the attitude of a lot of caseworkers. And their supervisors. And their managers, administrators, and the state's primary executive, the governor. * But this is not the attitude of some. That SOME, is by it's very nature reflective of how alot of families view these agencies. The old adage; You are judged by the company you keep, is what would use to describe the sentiments of many. He went on to say that he observed our gathering and our message. He stated that he did not see many positives, rather alot of emphasis on the systems failures. ( IMNSHO, there are enough failures to warrant gathering and exposing the systems failures.) I do agree that we MUST find common ground and put the children's best interest first. YOu are, if you'll please not kill the messenger (I've been killed repeatedly and am thoroughly dead now so you can stop please....R R R R) a great deal of what YOU think are failures...meet the following criteria in part or collectively: you do not know why CPS did what it did; you are being tutored by the ignorant; you are being politicized by the patronising for their own ends..which they are NOT going to share knowledge of with you..they are, in a word, "hinkie;" and you are likely also being used by the very very guilty..who often are avoiding that truth themselves. We have such in this ng. **There is also a great deal that I KNOW to be the failures. Take for example a few caseworkers sitting in a court room prior to the start of a hearing. They are discussing and laughing about how 1 client now has housing to have an overnight visit with her children. There was monstorous laughter when the caseworker said that the housing consisted of a tent in a relatives back yard. Now when I commented how nice it was to see "family preservation at work" The laughter stopped and one worker crudely say's " Not in your case" and rolled her eyes. Now, that mother who had to live in a tent in a relatives back yard, was no closer to getting her children returned to her than I was. But at least she got to see hers. Here's another failure. (I wrote this to another group and it's excerpted.) ""Currently in Michigan, if a child has been in foster care for 15 of the last 22 months, than a petition for termination can be filed. Now, while we have "reasonable efforts" for family preservation on the books, (that could be ample time if the workers actually did their jobs and provided services that were available)reasonable efforts are interpreted rather vaguely from worker to worker, agency to agency. The reasonable efforts and 15 month rule has not been an effective measure of reuniting families. I'm going to use my case as an example to cite one workers idea of reasonable efforts. I had a false allegation of abandonment made against me. THe persons who made this charge later recanted it in front of the judge, on the record. The Judge asked the state. "Why are we even here? Why is this in my courtroom?" But, the judge didn't order the case closed. Rather the state jumped up and stated they wanted more time to make sure that reasonable efforts had been met and they requested a review in 90 days. Now, in that 90 day period, the worker employed every tactic in the book to make my situation so bad that when we had the next hearing (that XXXXXattended) all hope was lost. For example; They had transferred my visitation site to another county and I had no transportation. I had to ride a grey hound bus for 8 hours a day, requiring that I take a day off work EVERY WEEK! I was ordered to have weekly visits with their psychiatrist, which meant I had to take time from work. EVERY WEEK! I was ordered to complete a parenting class, that the worker said I didn't need when she stated " I know your a good mom, but just do this and it will look better for you when you go back to court." That meant I had to take more time off work, EVERY WEEK! So now from the employers perspective, here's an employee who has to take 16-20 hours out of 40 off of work EVERY WEEK! The employer could only be so flexible. Now I'm out of a job. The job search for a new job didn't go over well. Everytime I explained to a prospective employer that I needed every Monday off for this, 6 hours on Tuesday for that and an additional 4 hours off on Wednesday for this, to comply with a court approved case plan, I wasn't a very marketable employee. Without a job and an income, I wasn't able to keep the housing that I had and I was forced to move in to a friends apartment as a room mate. Now I didn't have suitable housing to bring my children home to or an income to provide for them if I did. So from this perspective, the worker made every "reasonable effort" to see me fail. My case is by no means unique in this facet. Now let's examine how the worker could have proceeded to exhaust reasonable effort towards reunification. The worker was asked by my childrens caretaker if she could facilitate the visits and coordinate them around my work schedule. In fact, the caretaker told the judge that I was more than welcome in her home and she encouraged that I spend more time with my children as the separation was starting to really negatively affect them. Seeings how the charge against me was neglect, that was later recanted on the record and there was never any question whatsoever by any party as to the safety of my children while in my company, this was more than "reasonable". The worker adamantly denied her request and scheduled me 1 hour visits once a week, supervised, at her office. There is absolutely NOTHING anywhere in my case that would warrant supervised visitation. That's an example of an "unreasonable effort". Had she approved the caretakers request, it may have made the difference between me keeping or losing my job, income, housing etc... So we need to expand the definition of "reasonable efforts" at the legislative level as well as the agency level. Another issue that needs to be SERIOUSLY addressed and changed is "Qualified Immunity" The confidentiality laws are packaged and wrapped so tight, that they are a shield for workers who don't perform ethically or legally. If you can prove that a worker was acting illegally in carrying out the duties, it does no good. The qualified immunity that's granted them literally allows them to get away with murder. My youngest son was on the verge of death as a result of the negligent actions of the caseworker. The worker was fully informed as to the medical condition of my son, yet she acted with intentional malice and willful disregard to my son's safety and knowingly placed him at risk for imminent harm. The same standards that CPS uses to remove a child from the home, is the very practice that the worker engaged in when she she jeopardized the safety of the child. Yet, she was not held accountable BECAUSE of the Immunity protection that was afforded her. And quite grateful for, I'm sure. We need to demand that the laws on the books are enforced Immunity and penalties stiffened when a worker has violated the law......."" "Now in there somewhere, hopefully, there are those such as you that want to cut through the bs. Wanna borrow my machete?" May I please? lol. "To study CPS you have to read and think adn discuss with people you see as opponnents, just what they think is going on, or how they see it, and them come to your own conclusions. If you give yourself up to the Ferns, and Dougs, and Gregs of the issue, and buy into the emotions they are trying to infect you with, how objective do you think your examination of truth about CPS will be?" * Now I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm not the dullest either. I've always been pretty good about evaluating a matter at hand and deciding which way to proceed. I'm not familiar with Doug's or greg's writings, I have read post by fern. Because I have read posts by fern, I can comment to that. I think we need ferns in this movement. If their were no ferns posting these articles and giving her commentary, then we would have is a very dull and slow moving wheel. When I read some of the links that are posted by others, it keeps that fire lit under my ass. Everyday, there are rants and raves about how CPS does families wrong. I am quite guilty of this myself and I have absolutley no intention of stopping this practice. But I have learned after speaking with this gentleman, that the method I employ and the subjects that I employ it to, are drastically going to change. YOu have only one more step to go to become a "reformer." Insist on finding the truth for yourself. And when you are gladhanded and treated to these "horrors of CPS" stories, think about the risk you take of being patronized right out of rational thought. * That is the very reason that I decided to not just take someones word for it, but actually attend some hearings myself. The last hearing that I attended, while I didn't actually go in the courtroom, I did speak with an aid from the State rep.s office over dinner. I trust that the information that was given to me was accurate as to not shame the name of the boss by putting misinformation out there. I am treated to these CPS horror stories, yes. SOme of them are with merit. I know mine is. Others may disagree and think that there's got to be more to it, and that's fine. But I know the truth and so does every worker and participant in my case. My family and friends and most importantly, my children know the truth. So what strangers think of my case, or me for that matter, is really irrelevant. My focus isn't to scare good families into taking there children and running for the hills because of what happened to me. I'd like to see the system changed so that what has happened to me, doesn't happen to others. An yes, that old "accountability" thing is a big part of it. I was honored to have made this gentlemans acquaintance. I hope to work closely with him in the future. I realized today, perhaps there is no one better to try to give voice to the voiceless, than someone who WAS voiceless and at the mercy of a system that had it's failures then....and today. Isn't it interesting that he neither acts like nor claims to be a victim of CPS? *He's an adult in his 40-50's now, and know's that he's been victimized by the system that he entered all those years ago when his young mother placed him up for adoption as an infant. There was never any adoption. Just alot of foster placements. But to answer your question, No he does not publicly claim to be a victim. He publicly states that we need to work on reform in a positive way and I believe that. "While I certainly hear individual workers, and individual foster families, pitch a bitch about their personal issues, the ALWAYS set them aside in favor of the child when it comes to delivering." ALWAYS? The good one's maybe. The worker in my case almost delivered my son to his death. What's worse is that it didn't even phase her. She never showed any remorse or compassion for me. In fact, she started making our relations even more strained. She actually started treating me worse and distanced me even further from my children. Go figure. "Do you see the 'reformers' doing that" * The one's that I care to be associated with do. "ARe there bad workers? You betcha. I did a little housecleaning among them when I helped get that supervisor fired...just wandered around to their lunch hangouts and buttonholed the ones I knew protected her..and had a little chat. I like to get personal. It was a Fish or Cut Bait talk...as in clean up your act or I'll introduce you to a plumber that needs a helper." * I wonder how many of the 40 that came forward, had reported this worker previously. Do you know? Officially or off the record if any complaints were lodged by co-workers? "There are a few people, as in any profession, that shouldn't be doing it." Right on! "One final thought. How could there be the volume of evil intent and malpractice that the anti CPS folks proclaim?" I don't think the intent is evil initially. I think what turns things south is when parents, or other's, find out that these workers are violating standard policy and the law, and call them to the carpet. Be it ego or fear of job loss and prosecution, I don't know. But I do know that the evil exsists and there is even protection for it. Is at as wide scale as what we are led to believe? Probably not. "Does that make sense to you? If it makes sense to you that there is something wrong with that proclamation, then where will you go to find out what IS wrong, and study how to fix it? YOu just going to stand around and diddle with a pile of manure you can never overcome, when one or two rows in the garden needs cultivating, and you CAN do that?" * I am trying to study how to fix it, while making my vegetables grow. "The best way of all to learn though would be to apply for a job and work for CPS for a year or two." * Again, that's good in theory, but that avenue may not be open to me. I don't think the workers and agency that failed me and my son's would welcome me too kindly. I don't think they want the fox guarding the hen house. But you never know. "Do you REALLY care about the child as that Ex foster child does?" *ABSOLUTELY!!! All my life I have involved myself in projects that try to make a positive impact on the life of children. From being a reading mentor, cub scouts, big brother/big sister and most recently, fundraising and education awareness for juvenile diabete's. So yes, I really do care about the child. "I did a yearlong combined practicum-workstudy project with a state CPS in 1980-81. Got to practice my minor on them..anthropology, without them even knowing. I blended in with the tribe by the third month." * Heheheheh! I like you. So do you have it available online? "What did I find? About 90% of what I believed about CPS went down the drain. I was highly ****ed that I had been sold a bill of goods about CPS, and propagandized by people not unlike the little pack of hyenas you have run into here." * That's encouraging. I'm glad that your faith in CPS was restored and you had a positive experience. "Even the media misinformed me" * What can I say to that? Other than, I'm not suprised. The media misinforms everyday. "I only found two vampires, a single ghoul, and just one small coven of witches in CPS employ" * So you are familiar with my case too? lol. Thanks for the response. Looking forward to more talks with you. |
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