Bill Cosby - NAACP leaders stunned by remarks of prominent comedian

On Sun, 23 May 2004 11:06:16 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

You are responsible for the way you live today, and not anyone else.
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Nope, not if you are a victim, you're not, you are reliant upon
being restored to health before that can be true.

You are not a victim. You are in charge. Take charge of your
fate/future/life. Then watch what happens. Running around whining and
acting like a victim will not get you anywhere.


You've got to learn that. Everyone is responsible for their lives.
Not anyone else.
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If you had an assailant who injured you, then THEY are.

Everyone has injuries. You have to get back on the horse when you get
bucked off. Keep getting back on until you can ride the horse. The
horse is not responsible for you not being able to ride it. It's not
what happens to us in life but how we behave after things happen to us
that determines our happiness or unhappiness.

Unpleasant things happen to everyone.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 11:16:28 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

We can only change each other, and we can't help but do
that, we cannot change ourselves at all, and we are forced by fate to
be what we are to others, one cultural neuron next to many others.

If you really believe that you can not change yourself at all then you
are doomed. Everyone has to change things to improve their lives.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 07:39:07 -0400, kstahl wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
Of course he would. You have to be blind and deaf not to see and know
that they not only mispronounce words, but also, use very poor grammar.

I hate to point this out (actually I don't hate it at all, I
relish the opportunity), but you can hardly point fingers
elsewhere. After all, you are not able to spell Democrat or
Clinton correctly. What good is an education if you can't even
master basic spelling?

Isn't Clinton spelled "Clittoon" like spittoon?

Isn't Hillary spelled "Hildebeest"?

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 11:54:41 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

For that matter we also owe each child born into our society their
own residence, free and clear, simply because 500 generations of the
labor of our collective ancestors slaving for the rich have already
earned them that inheritance, and by right of equality they each
should already own and control their fair share of the entire earth!!

If you use 21 and the average number of years between generations then
500 times 21 is 10,500 years. So you are saying that your ancestors
were slaves for 10,500 years? :-) As Gomer Pyle would say,
"Gollllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee e!!!!"

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 07:39:07 -0400, kstahl wrote:


Holger Dansk wrote:

Of course he would. You have to be blind and deaf not to see and know
that they not only mispronounce words, but also, use very poor grammar.

I hate to point this out (actually I don't hate it at all, I
relish the opportunity), but you can hardly point fingers
elsewhere. After all, you are not able to spell Democrat or
Clinton correctly. What good is an education if you can't even
master basic spelling?


Isn't Clinton spelled "Clittoon" like spittoon?

Isn't Hillary spelled "Hildebeest"?

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

No, I've been trying to tell you that all along. Criticize them
all you want, but at least spell their names correctly. Of course
I realize that this whole thing of misspelling their names didn't
originate with you - that would take a level of originality
beyond your capabilities. At least as far as I can observe after
all these years.

On Sun, 23 May 2004 08:19:29 -0400, kstahl wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Sun, 23 May 2004 07:39:07 -0400, kstahl wrote:


Holger Dansk wrote:

Of course he would. You have to be blind and deaf not to see and know
that they not only mispronounce words, but also, use very poor grammar.

I hate to point this out (actually I don't hate it at all, I
relish the opportunity), but you can hardly point fingers
elsewhere. After all, you are not able to spell Democrat or
Clinton correctly. What good is an education if you can't even
master basic spelling?


Isn't Clinton spelled "Clittoon" like spittoon?

Isn't Hillary spelled "Hildebeest"?

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

No, I've been trying to tell you that all along. Criticize them
all you want, but at least spell their names correctly. Of course
I realize that this whole thing of misspelling their names didn't
originate with you - that would take a level of originality
beyond your capabilities. At least as far as I can observe after
all these years.

That was a cold prickly. Don't you have any warm fuzzies?

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sun, 23 May 2004 11:54:41 GMT, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:



"snip"

We do not have time machines, and we are not responsible for the deed of
people who lived many years before we were born.
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Not unless we still have benefit of the wealth they stole through
slavery, AND collectively, we DO!!!! That amounts to the possesion
of lost or stolen property, and ANY disparity of wealth that we have
allowed to afflict new generations of blacks, because of our ongoing
greed in NOT returning our ill-gotten gain, this is ALSO our debt!!

This is why we owe blacks complete restoration to the wealth and
position, power, and education they would have had they been white!!
Because Color WAS the distinguishing feature that identified them as
slaves for hundreds of years, deprived them of family, tribe, and
culture, and left them in this condition.

Oh my. Where should such monies for "reparations" (which is what you're speaking
of) come from:

1. Would you include receiving monies those that originally captured and sold
them into slavery?

2. What of those whose families owned no slaves, and were in fact against
slavery? Would you "pick their pocket" for "reparations" as well?

3. What, do we "owe blacks" that are descedants of black slave owners Mr Walz?
Or are you claiming only white people were slave owners in this country?

For that matter we also owe each child born into our society their
own residence, free and clear, simply because 500 generations of the
labor of our collective ancestors slaving for the rich have already
earned them that inheritance, and by right of equality they each
should already own and control their fair share of the entire earth!!

Where do you get "500 generations"?

Blacks are the only ones who can help themselves.
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That doesn't happen, there is no "Free Will", we are products of
our experience, and nothing else, and we cannot change what
circumstances have made us think and what we do because of it.
We can only wait for new circumstances and experiences, or others
to affect our thinking.

This may be true for animals Mr Walz, but many times people change their ways
because of their experiences...some to improve themselves, some to enact
reverge, some to wallow in self-pity. If there was no such thing as "free will"
Mr Walz, all individual outcomes would be predictible for each of us. throughout
history.

Everyone is
responsible by his past choices or decisions for his present condition
in life.
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Nope, a hundred TIMES more decisions by OTHERS produce our mind in
our lives than those we even CALL our own, and our own and also merely
the result of cause and effect outside of us. Saying we're responsible
only says that we are who suffers, it does NOT make us able to change
ourselves on whim, without reasons that would compel us beyond our
control.

How unfortunate all of your decisions (which you believe are not your own
apparently) will dictate all of the decisions your children will make when they
are grown, and the children beyond them. How sad for you and yours, as there
have been many, many others that have decided (free will) not to share your
state of self-pity.

Your condition or the circumstances that you are living in
today are a direct result of your decisions in the past. You are also
responsible for your future. Not anyone else. Just you.
Holger
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Sorry, we are NOT islands, divisible from the rest, we are literally
produced and created by the actions of others, and everything we are
came from outside us and beyond our control. We owe each other support
and fairness!! We are a group species, a group cultural mind.

If this were true Mr Walz, one would be a robot or a domesticated and herded
animal. While you may believe it is true for you Mr Walz, fortunately there are
many that refuse to wallow in your type of self-pity and have raised themselves
up from whatever position they originally started...regardless of race and
without any need for "reparations".

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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EKurtz wrote:

"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote
But it is also clear (at least by what I have
read and my experience) that there is a 1 SD difference between whites
and
blacks on standardized tests, asians score even better. In my work
(network
research), I notice that I have many asian and white colleagues, and
almost
no black colleagues.

My colleague situation is exactly the same (software, biotech,
genetics).
Such blacks as there are invariably occupy lower rank positions (HR,
security, cafeteria, maintenance). Likewise Hispanics.

It bothers me, but it is what I would expect in my
area from a black gaussian shifted 1 SD to the left.

The same applies at the other end of the spectrum - more retarded blacks
than whites.

As far as I can tell,
this issue is very real, and its causes need to be understood.
As this
problem currently seems to be intractable, ....

Why do you reject the genetic hypothesis? What doesn't the GH explain?
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Oh, just the research and the evidence, you ****ing idiot.

I was addressing my questions to Fletch F. Fletch, since, unlike you, he
appears to understand the issue and to be capable of constructing an
argument to support his position. Also unlike you, he does not indulge in
gratuitous adolescent abuse.

Holger Dansk wrote:
That was a cold prickly. Don't you have any warm fuzzies?

It is already quite warm outside thank you very much.

On Sun, 23 May 2004 09:49:04 -0400, kstahl wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
That was a cold prickly. Don't you have any warm fuzzies?

It is already quite warm outside thank you very much.

"The wildebeest -also known as the gnu is a large antelope. The bull's
deep grunts sound like a giant croaking frog. Because of its appearance
and spirited behavior, Dutch settlers in South Africa named the animal
wildebeest, which means wild beast."

I imagine when the female wildebeest grunts it sounds like a small
croaking frog. Isn't that what Hildebeest (Hillary) sounds like. Look
at the picture on this web site and see if you don't think it looks a
little bit like Hildebeest. Of course, the wildebeest is much better
looking than Hildebeest. It does have the fat rump like Hildebeest.

http://www.planet-pets.com/plntwldb.htm

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm