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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:21:00 EDT, "Jeff Utz"
wrote: I would agree. Every spring, my dad uses the water hose to drain the top of our pool. Now, what do you think would be in your kids' stomach if he used the hose to drain the pool, the flooded cellar (perhaps after a sewer leak), etc.? Sure, getting those things in the garden is no big deal, but getting them in a stomach is. Anyone who has ever went swimming in a pool has swallowed water from the pool. I don't see your point. -- Daye Momma to Jayan EDD 11 Jan 2004 |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
"Daye" wrote in message news On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:21:00 EDT, "Jeff Utz" wrote: I would agree. Every spring, my dad uses the water hose to drain the top of our pool. Now, what do you think would be in your kids' stomach if he used the hose to drain the pool, the flooded cellar (perhaps after a sewer leak), etc.? Sure, getting those things in the garden is no big deal, but getting them in a stomach is. Anyone who has ever went swimming in a pool has swallowed water from the pool. I don't see your point. The pool water I was referring to was the water that is on top of the plastic cover before the pool or in the pool itself before the pool is opened or before chlorine is added. So sorry I was not clear. BTW, pool water is not very clean. I mean, how many people do you know who shower well and clean their poop holes before going into pools. Most kids under 7 or 8 I know don't take a bath every day. The chlorine helps a lot, but it does not get all disease causing organisms. Jeff -- Daye Momma to Jayan EDD 11 Jan 2004 |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
"Tamex" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:15:46 EDT, Darrell Tangman wrote: Beeswing wrote: Aula wrote: I am assuming that the hose that was found running was attached to a sprinkler, which would be the only reason I could see someone leaving a hose running unattended for more than a few seconds. It was just sitting out next to the sidewalk, running. There was nothing attached to the end of it. Unless the hose was attached to a faucet visible from the street, I would hesitate to assume that it was delivering potable water. It could as easily be draining something (pool, water bed, whatever) that I wouldn't much want kids drinking from. Exactly. Most people don't just leave hoses running water from the tap unless there's a sprinkler on the end or they are filling something. It could very well be draining something (possibly icky) if the hose was just running water onto the grass. If the water is coming from a well, it may be cold (around 50 degrees F), which would be a hint that the water is potable, though certainly no guarantee. (However, if the drinking water is comes from a lake or resarvoir, it might be about 80 degrees F even though it is fresh and chlorinated.) And even if the water is coming from a faucet, it might not be potable. For example, my runs water directly into the pool from a pipe that is also connected pool's plumbing. If the pump broke and the valve were open, the water would run the other way from the pool circuit into the house plumbing. I might drink (and let kids drink) from my own garden hose, but I wouldn't drink out of a stranger's unattended garden hose if I could possibly help it. Neither would I. Who knows what lives in the hose (ants, bacteria, or maybe the hose tip acidently went down a drain). Jeff -- Tamex No matter how much Jell-o you put in the pool, you still can't walk on water. **remove Tricky Dick to reply by e-mail** |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
In article , Lee writes:
Between the chlorine and the dilution, there's nothing to worry about. Parents of infants are warned not to allow them to swallow too much water because of the volume effect. I've never heard a warning about pathogens. I've heard them. http://abcnews.go.com/sections/livin...teria0526.html -Marjorie |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
"Lee" wrote in message ... Jeff said: BTW, pool water is not very clean. I mean, how many people do you know who shower well and clean their poop holes before going into pools. Most kids under 7 or 8 I know don't take a bath every day. The chlorine helps a lot, but it does not get all disease causing organisms. Between the chlorine and the dilution, there's nothing to worry about. Parents of infants are warned not to allow them to swallow too much water because of the volume effect. I've never heard a warning about pathogens. In a community pool where my brother lives, there are occaisonal potty accidents caused by the parents (like, when a parent is too busy talking and ignores the kids pleas "But I have to go right now"). When this happens, the pool is required to be shut down long engough for the entire water volume to circulate through the filters after the offending material is removed. (A few years ago, when there were a lot of these incidents, a member of the community made a desert for a baking contest shaped like the pool. The cake was topped with blue jello, and there were raisans in the jello to represent floaters. This desert got 1st prize). However, there are outbreaks of diarrheal disease caused by cryptosporidium and Giradia and other pathogens in public pools. There pathogens are not killed by chlorine, so the only way to deal with them is through fine filters (a lot finer than the ones around pools) and by washing around the anus well before swimming (washing this area is actually the reason for showering before going into the pool -- getting smelly sweat and other dirt in the pool is no big problem, although it does use up the chlorine a bit a faster). The other thing is that these and other pathogens are often passed in the stool (and left on the skin to get into pools unless one washes (and not just wipes, which does not remove all the material)) long after the symptoms have subsided, so someone who is spreading the disease may not know (s)he has it (which is a reason why I was my hands after toileting). http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00032242.htm I think there are few outbreaks like this each year, so it is not a huge problem, except to the very young and very old who get sick, and a few of the people in between. Jeff |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
"Jeff Utz" wrote in message ... "Tamex" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 12:15:46 EDT, Darrell Tangman wrote: Beeswing wrote: Aula wrote: I am assuming that the hose that was found running was attached to a sprinkler, which would be the only reason I could see someone leaving a hose running unattended for more than a few seconds. It was just sitting out next to the sidewalk, running. There was nothing attached to the end of it. Unless the hose was attached to a faucet visible from the street, I would hesitate to assume that it was delivering potable water. It could as easily be draining something (pool, water bed, whatever) that I wouldn't much want kids drinking from. Exactly. Most people don't just leave hoses running water from the tap unless there's a sprinkler on the end or they are filling something. It could very well be draining something (possibly icky) if the hose was just running water onto the grass. If the water is coming from a well, it may be cold (around 50 degrees F), which would be a hint that the water is potable, though certainly no guarantee. (However, if the drinking water is comes from a lake or resarvoir, it might be about 80 degrees F even though it is fresh and chlorinated.) water coming from a well may or may not be potable. i have tested some wells that are definately NOT potable for my job. i investigate hazardous waste sites, sometimes in or near neighborhoods. -- Edith oht nak And even if the water is coming from a faucet, it might not be potable. For example, my runs water directly into the pool from a pipe that is also connected pool's plumbing. If the pump broke and the valve were open, the water would run the other way from the pool circuit into the house plumbing. I might drink (and let kids drink) from my own garden hose, but I wouldn't drink out of a stranger's unattended garden hose if I could possibly help it. Neither would I. Who knows what lives in the hose (ants, bacteria, or maybe the hose tip acidently went down a drain). Jeff -- Tamex No matter how much Jell-o you put in the pool, you still can't walk on water. **remove Tricky Dick to reply by e-mail** |
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"Scott Lindstrom" wrote in message ... mountainspring wrote: just me wrote: We also have a number of folks with artesian wells to water lawns and you wouldn't want to drink that water ever ever ever. Getting OT here, but what is wrong with drinking from artesian wells?? As I understand it, we have an artesian well as our main water source and the water from it has tested fine. Wells around here are easily contaminated by pesticides. Not sure about artesian wells, which theoretically should be protected by an impervious layer above.... Scott artesian, as with any other kind of well may or may not be contaminated. it depends on where the water is coming from, what it travels through, the amount of time it takes to travel there, etc. if it is traveling through fine sand, silt, and maybe a trace of clay, for a long period of time, over a long distance, from an uncontaminated source, it should be OK. traveling through limestone caves (basically pipework with no filtration qualities), it's doubtful. the impervious layer above only protects from what is above. if the source is contaminated, you start out with contaminated water... sorry for all the repetition... -- Edith oht nak |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
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Daye wrote: *On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 08:21:00 EDT, "Jeff Utz" *wrote: * *I would agree. Every spring, my dad uses the water hose to drain the top of *our pool. Now, what do you think would be in your kids' stomach if he used *the hose to drain the pool, the flooded cellar (perhaps after a sewer leak), *etc.? Sure, getting those things in the garden is no big deal, but getting *them in a stomach is. * *Anyone who has ever went swimming in a pool has swallowed water from *the pool. I don't see your point. Sure, but usually not in the springtime, when the top of the pool has a lot of crap from the winter in it, and it hasn't been shocked yet. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Kids drinking out of a garden hose
dragonlady wrote:
I drink out of hoses all the time, and would have no concerns about the safety. In fact, I LIKE the way it feels to drink water out of a running hose, but I'm told I'm odd in many ways. The water is the same as the water that comes into your sink, and, if you've let the water run for a while, chances of there being anything nasty to drink are pretty remote. Actually, the water coming out of my hose is not the same as the water that comes out of my sink. The water coming out of the hose comes directly from our well. The water coming out of our sink runs through a water purification system which filters out 5 times the legal limit of arsenic and many times more than that the legal limit of radon. You wouldn't get sick from drinking out of the hose once, but repeated ingestion could make you sick. Diane |
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