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dejablues wrote:
It's the same person, unless they can spoof the email and nntp posting host together. One can't expect to post personal stuff on Usenet and *only* have it reach your *intended* audience. This person was flaky enough(or thoughtless, or just didn't care) to post enough personal info so that even the casual observer could identify them in RL. If the OP thinks that these issues are unrelated, their head is way too deep in the sand. If they want useful answers, they have to be forthcoming. Like I said, WHO gives a RATS ASS!! It has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, dont you GET IT??? You'd likely be surprised at some of the things my wife says in the throes of passion, behind our closed bedroom door, geez, maybe I better re-evaluate her ability regarding being a mother to our 5 kids!! please enlighten us all on how someone talking about seuxual issues on a sexual news group and that same someone talking about schools for their kids on a kids newsgroup makes these issues "related"?? either that or mind your own goddamned business or discuss the original issue in the current thread! gimme a break!! sheeesh |
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namek wrote: *I grew up in Audubon, and now live in Lansdale. Oh, I used to work in Lansdale I grew up in Wyncote, lived in Blue Bell for a while, and now live in Lafayette Hill. -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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"ColoradoSkiBum" wrote in message ... : Well that's just it, he's already in the special ed class for kids with : "severe emotional disabilities" (they call it SIED here, don't know if it's : the same in other states). He's being pulled back in that program so he's : not in *any* mainstream classes for a while, and see if he can survive and : then earn his way back into regular classes. And like I said, a *huge* part : of me is actually *hoping* for failure there because that will mean that : he'll -- eventually -- be sent to another program which will likely include : "day treatment" at the mental health facility that the district works with. : All at district expense of course. We don't have the resources to absorb : this expense. You may want to call an IEP meeting. You don't have to wait for the district to declare your son a failure-you can call a meeting and bring the issue to the front sooner. If schools in your area are like the district I work for, there is a real reluctance to increase services, because it increases expense. In fact, it's gone the other way in the last few years. I have several children this year who were in at least partially self-contained positions last year, who are now in the regular class, sink or swim, regardless of their behaviors. We can see it isn't working-but, the district will not allow them to be reassigned. If you do this, get documentation from EACH teacher as to his behaviors. Often teachers avoid referring special education students to the office because we KNOW nothing will happen, so why bother? But that documentation is a potent tool when it comes to getting a child a better placement. I would, again, suggest a few things 1) Get a third-party evaluation, with a competent child psychiatrist, neurologist, and possibly a neuropsychological assessment. Third-party because in general hired guns from the school will not recommend that the school place a child outside the services they have available. Make sure they give an assessment as to what services are required-not just to get your stepson through the school day, but so that he gets the social skills support he needs. 2) Contact either a Disability Rights Advocate/Special Ed Advocate (a layperson trained in special education/ADA law and rights-this person has no legal standing in court but can definitely support you in dealing with the school. ) Most districts start to cave when an advocate walks in with the parent. Or, if there is one in your area and you can afford it, a Special Ed lawyer. (Which may be what it would take to get a school district to pay for a private residential placement). : -- : ColoradoSkiBum : Oops, maybe I didn't already *say* all that here, getting my newsgroups mixed up. I posted The Whole Story in a couple of other newsgroups but not in this one. Sorry for the confusion. -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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: What you need to understand is that this is a child that was having very serious : problems. His early childhood was tumultuous and he has some behavioural issues : (ADHD, ODD) as well. What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD. Oppositional [something - Defiance, maybe?] Disorder. My neighbor's 6 yr old son has this. As well as ADHD and something else that causes him to have hallucinations. I'm sure it's different for everyone but in this boy the ODD comes out as *extremely* bad tantrums, very violent ones. He's on a time release Ritalin for the ADHD (it lasts about 10-12 hrs), an anti-psychotic for the hallucinations, and an epilepsy drug for the ODD. Don't know if that helps or not. |
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On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:35:34 -0600, "ColoradoSkiBum"
wrote: What is ODD? I've heard of OCD, but not ODD. As others have been kind enough to tell you, it's Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Typically when you have ADD, there are other disorders that go along with it, such as ODD or OCD. The main reason that I think DS has ODD is that he could argue with me for *hours*. I've never seen a child with that kind of stamina. Usually, it would go like this: DS: Can I (whatever)? Mom: No, because (reason). DS: Please? Please? Come on, just let me (whatever). Mom: I said no. I mean no. Stop asking. From there, he would go from pleading to being very angry at me and saying some nasty things. I would stop responding to him after a few minutes and he would actually *follow* me around, getting in my face, and continue to harangue me about whatever it was he wanted. It was not unusual for him to continue this for TWO HOURS. There were a couple of times he actually had me in tears because I was so frustrated over his behaviour. I wasn't aware that you *could* have a child "committed" to the juvenile corrections system. How does that work? Not that I'm interested in that for my own SS, I think that would be the wrong thing, but I'm definitely curious about this. In our case, DS committed a crime, so the police and then the courts were involved. We did not have to get them involved; we could have handled it ourselves, but we felt it was important to send a message to DS that this behaviour would not be tolerated anymore. I'm not sure whether you can have a child committed like this without going through the legal channels as we did. I will tell you, though, that until we got him a guardian ad litem, we didn't have any idea that this was possible. We did it this way because we felt that by going through the intensive programs he's in now, he'd have a far better chance of changing his behaviour for good. Tracy ====================================== We child proofed our home 3 years ago and they're still getting in! ====================================== |
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"google it!" wrote in message om...
She wants to pack her step-son off to military school so she and the boy's father can continue to enjoy their swinger lifestyle. Poor kid. EXACTLY!!! Mary "ColoradoSkiBum" wrote in message ... Hi all, We're searching for military schools for a middle-school boy. I don't know where to start with this, what to look for or what to expect. Any help out there? We live in Colorado, in case you couldn't tell from the sig. :-) -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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"T.R.H" wrote in message news:SKsfb.7242$da3.7030@edtnps84...
dejablues wrote: It's the same person, unless they can spoof the email and nntp posting host together. One can't expect to post personal stuff on Usenet and *only* have it reach your *intended* audience. This person was flaky enough(or thoughtless, or just didn't care) to post enough personal info so that even the casual observer could identify them in RL. If the OP thinks that these issues are unrelated, their head is way too deep in the sand. If they want useful answers, they have to be forthcoming. Like I said, WHO gives a RATS ASS!! It has NOTHING to do with the issue at hand, dont you GET IT??? You'd likely be surprised at some of the things my wife says in the throes of passion, behind our closed bedroom door, geez, maybe I better re-evaluate her ability regarding being a mother to our 5 kids!! Your comparison makes absolutely no sense. please enlighten us all on how someone talking about seuxual issues on a sexual news group and that same someone talking about schools for their kids on a kids newsgroup makes these issues "related"?? either that or mind your own goddamned business or discuss the original issue in the current thread! gimme a break!! sheeesh It's all relative, you obviously don't get that. With parents like that, maybe the boy would indeed be better off living away from them. How mortifying for that child if his parents swinging lifestyle were found out by his peers. sigh Mary |
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: You may want to call an IEP meeting. You don't have to wait for the
district : to declare your son a failure-you can call a meeting and bring the issue to : the front sooner. If schools in your area are like the district I work for, : there is a real reluctance to increase services, because it increases : expense. In fact, it's gone the other way in the last few years. I have : several children this year who were in at least partially self-contained : positions last year, who are now in the regular class, sink or swim, : regardless of their behaviors. We can see it isn't working-but, the district : will not allow them to be reassigned. : : If you do this, get documentation from EACH teacher as to his behaviors. : Often teachers avoid referring special education students to the office : because we KNOW nothing will happen, so why bother? But that documentation : is a potent tool when it comes to getting a child a better placement. Fortunately that does not seem to be an issue at this school. On Wednesday (the last time he was suspended) we met with his SIED teacher, one of her aides, the school social worker and the assistant principal. I think we're all on the same page as far as his treatment goes. They've already said this is his last chance in this program. Now once again I'm getting my newsgroups mixed up, can't remember what I've posted here and what I've posted in other NG's so I'm going to go ahead and repost The Whole Story -- we're getting far away from the initial topic of this thread anyway. -- ColoradoSkiBum |
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Tracy,
I'm glad things are at least getting a little better with your son. I can't imagine the pain your family is going through with this turmoil. I will continue to think positive thoughts that your son continues to do so well on the rigid schedules that he is having. How are you and your husband doing these days? Are things still rocky, or some better? ((((Hugs))) -- Sue (mom to three girls) I'm Just a Raggedy Ann in a Barbie Doll World... Tracy Cramer wrote in message ... On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:54:59 -0700, "Denise" wrote: Its great that he can see that military school might help him, Tracy. IIRC he got in some fairly serious trouble, right? Yeah, that's an understatement! For the last 18 months, he's been a guest of the Juvenile Corrections system, but the silver lining is that he's in several programs that are targeted at his specific problems and he's really working hard. The change I've seen is incredible, so even though it's been hard, IMHO it's been worth it to go down this path. I wasn't a bad kid, really, but I do have ADHD and my daughter has Aspberger's (I find myself thinking that might be my actualy problem as I learn more). And Military schooling (AJROTC in high school) and the military (I joined the delayed enlistment program my junior year) have helped me more than I can put into words. The rigid scheduling was a huge benefit. And being in AJROTC definitly helped with the transition from high school to military life. This is excellent to know! DS was dx'd as ADHD and I highly suspect ODD, but I've also wondered about Asperger's. He also has anger issues. While it's been difficult having him gone, for him, it's been exactly what he needed. The structure has allowed him to get back on track with his schoolwork (he's back on honor roll) and I've seen him mature quite a bit. The schedule there is extremely rigid and he's come to understand that this is something that *helps* him keep himself in control and allows him to do his best at so many things. I think this is why military school is attractive to him -- and the Army later. I suspect that he might be a career military man, which I totally support. If it means that he's going to make something of himself and be happy, more power to him. Tracy ====================================== We child proofed our home 3 years ago and they're still getting in! ====================================== |
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Exactly. Not to mention the time taken away from the family to expend on
such activities. "mbajema" wrote in message m... It's all relative, you obviously don't get that. With parents like that, maybe the boy would indeed be better off living away from them. How mortifying for that child if his parents swinging lifestyle were found out by his peers. sigh Mary |
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