Why do parents keep doing this?

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

Lyle Benson wrote:

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.


Go away kid.

If you have a problem with your parents go and see a shrink. He will
help you through your hang-ups.

Subject: Why do parents keep doing this?
Chotii Wrote:
(Winding Highway) wrote:
Briar Rabbit wrote:

From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

What on earth are you talking about????

Don't believe he actualy knows? Fascinating though that Chotii could actualy beleive circumcised males penises do not grow after routine infant circumcision. Maybe Hugh can add that gem to his circumstitions.

That gem is beyond bizarre. In fact, its the uncircumcised penis,
with its horrid adhesions and restricted, wormy end, that gets in the
way of childhood erections. Not to mention the problems of phimosis
and paraphimosis that can strangle penile movement and deny sexual
pleasure.

Angela's doo-dee is so high, the peanuts are beginning to stand on
end!ehe The more she speaks, the deeper hole she and her scab
scavengers continue to dig for themselves. Unfortunately, there are
many who are gullible enough to be duped by these pathetic creatures,
thus perpetuating the mad cult devotion to a useless scab of skin. -D,
NYC "Christianity has deluged the world with blood & tears - Judaism
has caused neither for religion's sake" - MARK TWAIN

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Subject: Why do parents keep doing this?
Chotii Wrote:
(Winding Highway) wrote:
Briar Rabbit wrote:

From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

What on earth are you talking about????

Don't believe he actualy knows? Fascinating though that Chotii could
actualy beleive circumcised males penises do not grow after routine
infant circumcision. Maybe Hugh can add that gem to his
circumstitions.

That gem is beyond bizarre. In fact, its the uncircumcised penis,
with its horrid adhesions and restricted, wormy end, that gets in the
way of childhood erections. Not to mention the problems of phimosis
and paraphimosis that can strangle penile movement and deny sexual
pleasure.

Angela's doo-dee is so high, the peanuts are beginning to stand on
end!ehe The more she speaks, the deeper hole she and her scab
scavengers continue to dig for themselves. Unfortunately, there are
many who are gullible enough to be duped by these pathetic creatures,
thus perpetuating the mad cult devotion to a useless scab of skin.

Your argument would be more convincing if you would:

a) actually address what I say, rather than a distortion of what you'd like
to make people think I said,
b) argue fairly, without namecalling
c) Use medically accurate terms and information.

But, at least you're amusing.

--angela

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Subject: Why do parents keep doing this?
Chotii Wrote:
(Winding Highway) wrote:
Briar Rabbit wrote:

Commander Chottii" Stated

From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

Winding highway followed up with.

What on earth are you talking about????

Decurian asuming that Chottii was a male foreskin advocate stated.

Don't believe he actualy knows? Fascinating though that Chotii could
actualy beleive circumcised males penises do not grow after routine
infant circumcision. Maybe Hugh can add that gem to his
circumstitions.

Darrin followed through with the following.

That gem is beyond bizarre. In fact, its the uncircumcised penis,
with its horrid adhesions and restricted, wormy end, that gets in the
way of childhood erections. Not to mention the problems of phimosis
and paraphimosis that can strangle penile movement and deny sexual
pleasure.

Chottii replied to Darrin.

Your argument would be more convincing if you would:

a) actually address what I say, rather than a distortion of what you'd like
to make people think I said,

First let me be the first to opologize for mistaking you for a fat
sexualy insecure Neroesce male, without a clue as to the male penis
foreskinned or circumcised. You stated this bizzare salient below.



From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

And many of us rightfully did a double take what the
F#ck?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????...................
Now that I am aware that you are presumably a woman either your
husband/sig other is uncircumcised and extolls the scab scavenger
bible and mantra of the golden prepuce aka the foreskin. Or he is
circed and has little to offer, or has other sexual interests? In any
case you appear to have suffered badly my poor dear!!!!!!


b) argue fairly, without namecalling

True Darrin can be more patient with those of us that post too ALT C.
confused or unsure about the hysterical myths, lies, and downright
deceit that involves routine infant circumcision. However I believe
you stumbled onto one of the various foreskin fetish scab scavenger
sites that are out there strictly to push their agenda, that they do
not hide well at all.


c) Use medically accurate terms and information.

Mam would you please read what you wrote concerning infant male circ?
Do you not see that were ever you got that ridiculous information only
makes you look totaly unawares of exactly what routine infant
circumcision entails or by happenchance a complete fool....... No one
is here to browbeat you for lacking knowledge about circumcision but
perhaps you ought to at least read both sides of the issue the
benefits of circumcision as it pertains to eliminating certain
foreskin related deseases!!!!!! And the emerging evidence of it's
possibility in being of use in the prevention and spreading of HIV.

But, at least you're amusing.

--angela

Yes Angela Darrin is amusing sadly reasonable men often have to resort
to namecalling to attempt to knock some sense into those inclined to
cult thinking.

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Subject: Why do parents keep doing this?
Chotii Wrote:
(Winding Highway) wrote:
Briar Rabbit wrote:

Commander Chottii" Stated

From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

Winding highway followed up with.

What on earth are you talking about????

Decurian asuming that Chottii was a male foreskin advocate stated.

Don't believe he actualy knows? Fascinating though that Chotii could
actualy beleive circumcised males penises do not grow after routine
infant circumcision. Maybe Hugh can add that gem to his
circumstitions.

Darrin followed through with the following.

That gem is beyond bizarre. In fact, its the uncircumcised penis,
with its horrid adhesions and restricted, wormy end, that gets in the
way of childhood erections. Not to mention the problems of phimosis
and paraphimosis that can strangle penile movement and deny sexual
pleasure.

Chottii replied to Darrin.

Your argument would be more convincing if you would:

a) actually address what I say, rather than a distortion of what you'd
like
to make people think I said,

First let me be the first to opologize for mistaking you for a fat
sexualy insecure Neroesce male, without a clue as to the male penis
foreskinned or circumcised. You stated this bizzare salient below.



From: "Chotii" Ideally, if they absolutely feel they must
choose such a cosmetic surgery, they would insist on their doctor
making a loose cut to allow for childhood erections, and to
accommodate penile growth at puberty

And many of us rightfully did a double take what the
F#ck?????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????...................


Look. There's supposed to be a certain amount of skin on the penis to
accommodate engorgement during erection. Right? Inadequate skin will prevent
the penis from expanding to its maximum, natural size, and it will probably
hurt too. This is what I'm talking about. It only TAKES a single anecdotal
situation to go "My god, this is bad."

It only takes knowing ONE baby boy whose circ was botched, and whose life is
miserable as a result, to doubt the whole "beneficial" industry. I do know
such a little boy, from whose penis too much skin was taken (first circ,
done in hospital, left his penis badly skewed to one side; secondary
corrective circ, done by a pediatric urologist, took too much skin), who
suffers painful erections every time he has one, because there's simply not
enough skin left..... And he hasn't even reached puberty yet.

When a boy hits puberty, his penis is going to develop and get even larger.
I have talked to men who, as adolescents, woke up in bloody sheets because
too much skin had been removed from their bodies, and their erections tore
what skin was left. Yes, it healed, but that didn't make the situations
better. "Better" would have been for them not to go through this in the
first place.

I'm sincerely glad for you if you have not suffered in such a manner. That
should not, *must* not, result in dismissing those men whose experiences
differ from yours.

Someone - I forget who, probably Briar Rabbit - made a statement about a
vast number of men with foreskins who suffer endlessly in silence because of
it, but don't seem to be aware how simple it is to have it removed, or are
afraid, or something. Well, if they're suffering silently, how do we know
how many there are? And why, if we may believe that millions of men suffer
in silence because they have foreskins, may we not believe that at least
SOME men suffer in silence because theirs have been removed? After all,
they're silent. We don't hear them complain either way. And their suffering
must be acknowledged to be real without labeling them as mentally ill or
calling them fetishists - or else we must turn those same accusations back
upon the people on the other side of the fence who act the same way, just in
reverse. You know, the pot calling the kettle black.

--angela

What if some parents decided to give their baby a
permanent laser hair removal treatment all over the
baby's head. What if they considered the pros and cons
and decided it was best to have the treatment, reasoning
that it would almost completely eliminate the chance of
the person ever getting headlice, as well as saving lots of
time and money over the person's lifetime in combing and
washing the hair, and preventing the hair from ever
possibly stinking from not being washed often enough.

When that baby grew older and learned what had happened,
might he/she be angry? Might he/she still be angry as an
adult? Might that anger be justified?
--
Cathy

On 13 Aug 2004 20:24:46 -0700, (Lyle Benson)
said:

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Consider foreskin restoration. It won't give you back everything, but
it will give back something, and it is healing to take back some
control of that aspect of your life.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

But the reasons they give are only the excuses. Otherwise, why do the
reasons given keep changing? Notice that the chief "medical" reason is
always the most fearful disease du jour.

I was in elemtary school when when they did a quick "why boys are differnet
from girls" lesson in sixth grade (like we didn't know already by then! the
difference was that girls had cooties!!) And for the boys class they went
into all the changes we could look forward to in the next few years, what
happens when.... etc. One of the things mentioned was cirumcision/intact.
Thats when i knew i was cut. I was quite shocked. It wasn't till the
internet became really widespread that i really understood what it was all
about, stumbled into foreskin resetoration quite accidentally, decided thats
what i would do. Was amazed at the response in sensitivity within just a
few short weeks, course being in high school at the time my only sexual
experience was in the one man band (wasn't circumcision supposed to prevent
that?) and "letting out some pressure" went from being good... to excellent,
like going from a small black and white TV to HDTV. Never was able to get
serious about restoring till i finished college, but having excellent
results since restarting. What the cutters keep bringing up is the same
broken record... the first thing they complain about is smell and
cleanliness... OK you do have to clean it... but it takes no more time than
cleaning a cut prick... while in the shower, just skin the foreskin back a
few times and let teh water rinse out what little smegma has accumulated
since your last shower. Then they talk about disease prevention. Fine and
dandy that a well rounded scientific study states that circumcision may
prevent HIV, and there may yet be scientific evidence of that, but lets face
it, if you are cut or uncut and boffin someine else thats HIV+ its like
playing russian roulette, any reducion in risk would be minimal, and
doubtful it will conteract the risk of complications of circumcision.
Several boys a year die from circumcision, usually a result of postop
infection, some are horribly disfigured by the "simple operation", some are
cut so badly that they get a "Gender Reassignment" and are raised as girls.
(Notice how the circ prevents such and such disease changes regularly, was
cancer until a few weeks ago) Or they are like me, and are cut so tightly
that an erection was painful (thats how i sumbled on restoration, trying to
learn about painful erection), within a few weeks my skin was stretched
enoug to finally allow a normal erection. Some people argue about the
cosmetic appeal of a cut penis, frankly i don't pay attention to how other
guy's dicks look in the shower, if someone stares at my member in its
partially covered state, they are either gay or envious. Some people argue
it as a matter of faith, and I really won't argue with that, but do think
that the rite should be a voluntary sacrifice by the recipient, virtue
without the freedom to choose that virtue is not a virtue at all. (lets
expand on that sentence on a brief tangent, As an American I have the
freedom to go to the liquor store and buy some booze, get **** faced drunk,
then get on with my life, but i choose NOT to consume alcohol, a virtue
common in my church, but the fact that i CHOOSE not to drink is what makes
it a virtue, if it was a legal prohibition it would simply be covering my
ass). The bottom line is that it is YOUR PENIS. Not anyone elses, its not
anyones right to tell you to get cut or to stay intact, or to even restore
for that matter, and anyone who focuses on making sure everyone is "Cut" is
just as guilty of having a penis fettish as they will surely accuse me of
having. I personally could care less that a person is cut or not, but i
really wish people had the simple choice to decide how they wanted to look.
I call cutters ideas bull**** as much as they call my ideas bull****, but
its YOUR penis and YOUR happiness that matters, if you like it, fine, if you
don't like it, get it cut, start restoring it, but thats YOUR choice, its
just a shame that like most american boys you did NOT get the initial choice
to begin with. Some say women don't like uncut penii..... well i'm at a
school now that has a large dutch contingent (a nation with a very very low
incidence of circumcision, and those guys don't have ANY problem getting
action if they want it, if being uncut was undesirous i suspect the
girlfriend retention incidence woudl be quite low for them! And frankly is a
girl is so damn shallow to fall in love with my penis, instead of me, i
don't want them. Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've
had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the people
believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the
other 24%?




"Lyle Benson" wrote in message
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I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

"nooneimportant" no.spam@me wrote in message
news:RmyTc.123970$8_6.43841@attbi_s04...
Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've
had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the
people
believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the
other 24%?

I promised myself I wouldn't respond to this thread, but I think this is
actually the most sensible post I've seen on the issue.