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Where are all the pro- "child support" (backdoor alimony) folks?
TeacherMama scribbled:
I have NEVER read anything from you that states what you want done with the exception of your unwavering belief that all men everywhere should be able to walk away from the children they fathered without looking back. Then you obviously haven't read *ANYTHING* I have posted and just make up all of the above and claim it IS what I have posted on this subject. Lie IOW..... That if they don't want to be fathers, the children can starve in the gutters for all they care, because it is not their responsibility. BS. Strawman Try again. They do not need to use ANY form of birth control, because they can't get pregnant. BS. Strawman Try again. WOMEN are the ONLY ones responsible for birth control. BS. Strawman Try again. MEN--real men--deserve SEX with no responsibility for attempting to prevent another unwanted child. BS. Strawman Try again. And these rights for men should be written into the law, put on golden tablets, and displayed throughout the land. BS. Strawman Try again. Oh, yeah, one other thing: marriage is simply 2 people living together WITH a piece of paper. Any decisions made by the couple are really just 2 individuals making the same deision together. Marriage isn't real. BS. Strawman Try again. But I don't see how that fixes the CS system we have today. Neither do I. But then as *I* have NEVER anything remotely like the above I dont need to explain how it does fix the CS system. OTOH as YOU need to explain why you're blatantly lying about what *I* post to this forum. Oh and how about getting back to the discussion and STOP throwing up ALL these lies to avoid doing so. It's just making you look STUPID and feminist...... How does giving men the right to father endless bastareds with no consequence fix the system? Men CANT father endless *******s OWN THEIR OWN. It REQUIRES a WOMAN to: A) Get PREGNANT B) CHOOSE to REMAIN PREGNANT C) CLAIM WELFARE to support that child, because THE WOMAN cant support it herself. The men such women have sex with just HAVE SEX. They play NO OTHER PART at ALL! See how it has to be SPELLED out to YOU! Now tell me once again how men father endless *******s with no consequence..... Your solution is to DENY women the right to abort or choose to have such children just so we dont have to legalise that choice for men. You would rather we take away women's rights rather than give men the same rights that women already have. What a F****ING STUPID IDEA!!!! Our taxes will go up to pay more welfare, but how does it fix the system? ROTFLOL Since when has welfare EVER been designed to fix the system. Clue TM it has NEVER been designed as a fix. It's part OF the system that says women should NOT have their basic human right to bear children curtailed in any way at all, by laws that prevent them getting rid of unwanted pregnancies to avoid becoming a parent, or by financial or social inability to care for their wanted children; Society (that includes you and me) has 'deemed' that women should have the 'freedom' to have children whenever they like and however they like. Society (that includes you and me) has decide that when *WOMEN* are incapable of caring for their children then society (that's yours and my tax dollars) will pay whatever is required to WOMEN who cannot care for their own children. Now, where are the *FATHERS* of all these children TM? They DONT COUNT. The fathers of these millions of children are an IRRELEVANCY. Their ONLY importance is their 'ability' to reduce that tax burden of welfare to society that's all. They're not seen as fathers by the government, the CSA, the legal system, and MOST OF ALL they're NOT seen as fathers by society, especially by the ones who blame them for the 'mess' as you do above. All they did was HAVE SEX with a willing woman TM. That's ALL! And how does it fix the high CS awards that are paid by so many formerly married men? Are you saying they shouldn't get CS? Or are you saying that formerly married men can walk away from their children, too? BS. Strawman. Try again. And you didn't answer my question about what your system would do if the man wanted the child and the woman did not. Could he force her to continue the pregnancy? Yes *I* DID! Here it is AGAIN! Try actually READING IT this time! ================= [From my previous post] No we DONT! We dont need to take away women's rights to avoid men having those same rights. After all we didn't have to take away men's rights when giving women those same rights. I have to wonder why you think this way, and wonder how you'd really feel when YOUR rights get taken away just so men dont get the same rights. Because there are places where you can't give balancing rights--such as the man wanting the woman to continue an unwanted pregnancy. In cases like this men need to find and make a commitment to a woman who wants a child as much as he does. There is no need for men to have the right to force women to continue an unwanted pregnancy at all. But to make it equal, when women want to give birth to the child when she knows the man doesn't want the child, she likewise should have no right to force him to be a father to that unwanted child. She needs to find a man who wants that child as much as she does and be prepared to make the long term commitment that is required. Should the woman be forced to carry the child because dad wants it? Not at all. But then neither should men be required to be an 'unwilling father' when they dont want the child and women do...... The child belongs to both--should a judge be able to intervene in a case like this? Men should have the legal, social, and moral right to decide if they'll be a parent or not. Women already have this legal, social, and moral right to decide, so should men. I think by just awarding more and more "rights" to try to balance things out is making a bigger and bigger mess than we have now. IOW Society has handed out enough rights WRT being a parent; Too bad that men missed out on those rights, they'll just have to live without them.... You haven't even thought about this at all have you; You're making it all up as you go along to justify your knee-jerk reactions....... What, specifically, do you want for men? No "As much as the girls got!" Specifically! The SAME RIGHTS women already have. Why is that so hard for you to understand TM? I mean what EXACTLY is it that you find so difficult about understanding men having the same legal, social, and moral rights as women? You appear to be so totally against men having the right to decide if they'll be a parent or not, you're quite willing to have that very right taken away from women (including yourself apparently) just so men dont get that right. So I take it when you 'rewrite' these rights, start from scratch, you'll say women cant abort the pregnancy they dont want, or cant keep the [potential] child they cant possibly look after without needing welfare or CS..... That you'll tell women that when they choose to have sex and conceive as a result tough that was YOUR CHOICE, you now have to live with the consequences of that choice, and women DONT get to decide what the outcome of that conception will be, it's all down to the law, judges, and child care authorities that tell women what sort of parent they will be and what their parental 'responsibilities' are...... Just like we treat men NOW in fact...... ================ # If the abstract rights of men will bear discussion and explanation, then those of women, by a parity of reasoning, will not fail the same test; Although a different opinion prevails in the minds of most women when their rights are put to that test.... -- Replace the obvious with paradise to email me. See Found Images at: http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~mlvburke |
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