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What is in those Vaccinations?????
"john" wrote in message ... "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... Just one: Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines... Why does it say 25 mcg of neomycin on the package insert them? "Each dose of the vaccine contains sorbitol (14.5 mg), sodium phosphate, sucrose (1.9 mg), sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin (14.5 mg), human albumin (0.3 mg), foetal bovine serum (1 ppm), other buffer and media ingredients and approximately 25 mcg of neomycin. The product contains no preservative". http://www.whale.to/m/mmr11.html At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? Study the real history, rather than flaunt your lies here http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html Aluminum hydroxide ... These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread without yeast. Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's....."This is suspicious," he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from his lab near Heather Street and West 12th Avenue. "Either this [link] is known by industry and it was never made public, or industry was never made to do these studies by Health Canada. I'm not sure which is scarier." Similar adjuvants are used in the following vaccines, according to Shaw's paper: hepatitis A and B, and the Pentacel cocktail, which vaccinates against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, polio, and a type of meningitis...."No one in my lab wants to get vaccinated," he said. "This totally creeped us out. We weren't out there to poke holes in vaccines. But all of a sudden, oh my God-we've got neuron death!"Another important factor with regard to mercury on the mind, which officials at the CDC, FDA and the professors in the IOM do not consider, is synergistic toxicity - mercury's enhanced effect when other poisons are present. A small dose of mercury that kills 1 in 100 rats and a dose of aluminum that will kill 1 in 100 rats, when combined have a striking effect: all the rats die. Doses of mercury that have a 1 percent mortality will have a 100 percent mortality rate if some aluminum is there. Vaccines contain aluminum. http://www.whale.to/vaccines/woolley.html.htm "We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines. The aluminium alone at this level is not demonstrated to be toxic, so it is enhancing the toxicity of the thimerosal. It likely does this by increasing the rate that thimerosal breaks down releasing ethylmercury which is the toxic material" -------Testimony Prof Boyd Haley, University of Kentucky, Chair and Head of Chemistry....... Gupta RK, Relyveld EH.Adverse reactions after injection of adsorbed diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine are not due only to pertussis organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine. Vaccine. 1991 Oct;9(10):699-702. Review.PMID: 1759487; UI: 92101590 Aluminium compounds such as aluminium phosphate and aluminium hydroxide are the most commonly used adjuvants with vaccines for human use. Due to the increasing concern about the toxicity of aluminium, other adjuvants like calcium phosphate may be evaluated as an alternative to aluminium adjuvants. To minimize reactions after immunization with DPT vaccine due to impurities in the toxoids, the use of toxoided purified toxins is suggested. Just imagine how smart and how healthy we would all be, had we just not taken all those vaccines? |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Mark Probert wrote:
Welcome to the world of the anti-vac liars. Why they do it is a mystery, but, they do it. If Autism was totally disproven to be vaccine related, they would come up with another scary disease to fear monger to parents. Heh... interesting that you would use the term fear monger, since it's one of your trademark characteristics. In welcoming Bryan, are you agreeing with everything he just said? Stay tuned while I debunk a large section of his post. Max. |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
"Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... Ilena Rose wrote: http://www.opposingdigits.com/vaccines/ Ohh look, yet another page filled with the typical ignorance and lies propigated by the anti-vaccine group. No idea of how vaccines are made, no idea what these components are, no idea of what components of the process actually end up in the vaccines, and no idea of what is removed before sale. And no idea of the safety standards and purity requirements... Basic deconstruction of the list: Gelatin, chick embryo/egg/fluid, human/other cells, serum proteins, soy protein, yeast, etc: Used to support the growth of the virus/bacteria used to generate the vaccine. Viruses require living cells to grow (hence the use of eggs or animal cells). The rest (gelatin, serum, etc) are components of the media used to grow the cells. According to FDA rules, before sale all of these components must be removed from the vaccine. So listing them as ingredients is an out-and-out lie. Kinda like listing "dirt" as an ingredient for bread. It was used to grow the wheat, but isn't rpesent in the bread itself. Various microbes: Vaccines are designed to protect us from microbes. The way they do this is by exposing our body to parts of microbes, or to dead microbes, or to living (but impaired) microbes. This gives our immune system a chance to respond to the pathogen with no/minimal risk of actual disease. After this exposure the immune system "remembers" the pathogen, and thus if you are exposed to it again your body can readily fight it off. To put this into context, it takes your body upto 2 weeks to respond effectively to a pathogen the first time you are exposed - that's two weeks in which the pathogen can ravage your body. Memory responses are much faster, and usually take less then a day. So complaining about microbial components in your vaccines is rather stupid - making a vaccine without these would be like making bread without flour. Simply put, without these components the vaccine wouldn't do a thing. Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines... Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the vaccine. Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water. Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread without yeast. Glycerin/glycerol: Thickening agent and emulsifier. Harmless; your body produces glycerin as a breakdown product of many lipids. Can also be used as an energy source by your body, or used by your body in the synthesis of various phospholipids. Major component of skin moisturizers and soaps. Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies, particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a common ingredient of carpet glue). Thimerosal: A mercury-containing preservative. There was some suggestion in the 90's that thimerosal may cause autism or mercury poisoning. Both of these have since been disproved - there is absolutely no link between autism and vaccines what-so-every, and it also been shown that the amount of free mercury (i.e. toxic mercury) released from your average vaccine injection is about the same as the amount of mercury you receive eating a tuna salad sandwich. Even so, due to public pressure thermisol is being replaced in many vaccines with alternative preservatives. When compared to the risk of the diseases we're vaccinating against, worrying about the unlikely toxic effects of this preservative is like worrying about second-hand smoke when your trapped in a burning building. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame: Amino-acid derivatives, derived from glutamic acid and aspartic acid respectively. Used in the cell culture stage to provide the cells with amino-acids required for cell growth. Largely removed during processing, and can be used by our bodies for the synthesis of proteins, or can be broken down for energy. Also commonly used as food additives. There is a slight allergy risk with MSG, hence why it is usually removed from the final product. Phosphate-buffered saline (PBS): Simply a saline solution which is pH regulated by the addition of phosphate. This is injected (either as straight saline, or as PBS) frequently into patients. Probably the most commonly injected substance in medicine. Used medically to replace fluid after dehydration or blood loss. Use in vaccines to provide a safe fluid to suspend the vaccine in. Can be made in a variety of ways, and may contain: potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate dibasic, and sodium chloride. All of these components exist naturally in our bodies - in fact, PBS is specifically designed to mimic the natural levels of these components in our bodies, and thus replicate the fluids in our body accurately. Also used in the culture of the cells used to make vaccines. thimerosal toxic on contact with the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants. Wrong! Not even close to being toxic. A very small portion of the population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an allergic response to thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their skin. This reaction is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the response people have when exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness). Although irritating it represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient. Due to the nature of these responses (properly referred to as hapten-carrier reactions), the risk of a reaction via injection is minimal as the body can only respond to thermosil when it is linked to specific skin protein(s). Because injected vaccines are placed below the keritinized layer of the skin, the chance of this conjugate forming is minimal, and therefore the risk of a response is also minimal. Even if a response occurs it tends to be very similar to your average allergic response - nasal congestion. Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price to pay. Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as truth. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? Bryan Whew... A lot of claims there. Care to prove EACH and EVERY one?? For someone posting from: The University of Calgary You really should learn how to spell!! Get updated. http://www.testfoundation.org/aluminumvaccines.htm http://www.ithyroid.com/autism.htm http://www.testfoundation.org/thimerosal.htm http://www.flu.org.cn/news/2004986362.htm |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Let's take a look at some things you've said here (without a single
shred of evidence to support yourself.) Bryan Heit wrote: Gelatin, chick embryo/egg/fluid, human/other cells, serum proteins, soy protein, yeast, etc: Used to support the growth of the virus/bacteria used to generate the vaccine. Viruses require living cells to grow (hence the use of eggs or animal cells). The rest (gelatin, serum, etc) are components of the media used to grow the cells. According to FDA rules, before sale all of these components must be removed from the vaccine. So listing them as ingredients is an out-and-out lie. Kinda like listing "dirt" as an ingredient for bread. It was used to grow the wheat, but isn't rpesent in the bread itself. So, you're saying that the CDC is lying when it lists those ingredients in the vaccines? http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/contraindications_guide.pdf If you'll read appendix A, you'll find that gelatin, egg protein, mouse serum protein (ick!), lactose, sorbitol and yeast protein are listed. Now, let me quote a specific sentence of notable mention: "While these substances, except as noted above, are not specified by the ACIP as contraindications to vaccination, providers should be aware of substances contained in vaccines should they encounter a patient with a known anaphylactic allergy." But if they're removed, WHY would it be of any concern to anyone? The fact is, the internet is filled with reports of reactions to the very substances you're claiming are removed before sale. So, even if you COULD provide evidence that it's removed before sale, the evidence suggests that either these substances aren't fully removed or they're getting back in to the vaccines before injection. Various microbes: Vaccines are designed to protect us from microbes. The way they do this is by exposing our body to parts of microbes, or to dead microbes, or to living (but impaired) microbes. This gives our immune system a chance to respond to the pathogen with no/minimal risk of actual disease. After this exposure the immune system "remembers" the pathogen, and thus if you are exposed to it again your body can readily fight it off. To put this into context, it takes your body upto 2 weeks to respond effectively to a pathogen the first time you are exposed - that's two weeks in which the pathogen can ravage your body. Memory responses are much faster, and usually take less then a day. So complaining about microbial components in your vaccines is rather stupid - making a vaccine without these would be like making bread without flour. Simply put, without these components the vaccine wouldn't do a thing. Yes, people who are now suffering from cancer as a result of the tainted polio vaccine back in the early 1960s have nothing to worry about when it comes to "various microbes." I was going to post a link here, but I had too many to choose from. Google the words monkey virus sv40 and take your pick. Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines... Could you please show evidence that these things you're saying are removed are, in fact, removed? Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the vaccine. Sure you eat them. That doesn't mean they make it into your blood stream in tact. It's the job of our digestive tract to make sure it's broken down properly before entering the blood stream. You could eat a candy bar. Does that mean you'd melt one and inject it into blood stream? Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water. And you accuse others of lying. Aluminum hydroxide is used to increase the production of antibodies. That doesn't mean no antibodies would be produced without it. Furthermore, some of the aluminum hydroxide ends up in the brain. I don't know about you, but I don't want aluminum hydroxide in my child's brain. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Ah the ever popular "at the doses used" routine. Never mind that if you follow the recommended vaccination schedule, your child will receive MANY times the dosage in a single shot. While looking for info on polysorbate, I came across this page: http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/...gredients.html It lists several drawbacks of many of the ingredients we're talking about here. I also found many web sites implicating polysorbate as a potential carcinogen. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread without yeast. That's probably a good analogy. Much better than "you may as well be injecting water." Glycerin/glycerol: Thickening agent and emulsifier. Harmless; your body produces glycerin as a breakdown product of many lipids. Can also be used as an energy source by your body, or used by your body in the synthesis of various phospholipids. Major component of skin moisturizers and soaps. Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies, particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a common ingredient of carpet glue). I'd be interested in reading your source for the information above. Could you please post it? Thimerosal: A mercury-containing preservative. There was some suggestion in the 90's that thimerosal may cause autism or mercury poisoning. Both of these have since been disproved - there is absolutely no link between autism and vaccines what-so-every, and it also been shown that the amount of free mercury (i.e. toxic mercury) released from your average vaccine injection is about the same as the amount of mercury you receive eating a tuna salad sandwich. Even so, due to public pressure thermisol is being replaced in many vaccines with alternative preservatives. When compared to the risk of the diseases we're vaccinating against, worrying about the unlikely toxic effects of this preservative is like worrying about second-hand smoke when your trapped in a burning building. I've posted plenty of evidence already debunking your above statement. Search this group for my name and the word thimerosal. Some of the mercury in thimerosal enters the brain and remains there for quite a while. Again, I don't want mercury in the brains of my children. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame: Amino-acid derivatives, derived from glutamic acid and aspartic acid respectively. Used in the cell culture stage to provide the cells with amino-acids required for cell growth. Largely removed during processing, and can be used by our bodies for the synthesis of proteins, or can be broken down for energy. Also commonly used as food additives. There is a slight allergy risk with MSG, hence why it is usually removed from the final product. Heh... tell people who are allergic to it that it's slight. I've spoken with many people who have almost lost their lives over eating a meal they didn't know had MSG in it. Once again, can you provide evidence that this is removed from the final product? Phosphate-buffered saline (PBS): Simply a saline solution which is pH regulated by the addition of phosphate. This is injected (either as straight saline, or as PBS) frequently into patients. Probably the most commonly injected substance in medicine. Used medically to replace fluid after dehydration or blood loss. Use in vaccines to provide a safe fluid to suspend the vaccine in. Can be made in a variety of ways, and may contain: potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate dibasic, and sodium chloride. All of these components exist naturally in our bodies - in fact, PBS is specifically designed to mimic the natural levels of these components in our bodies, and thus replicate the fluids in our body accurately. Also used in the culture of the cells used to make vaccines. thimerosal toxic on contact with the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants. Wrong! Not even close to being toxic. Now this is just blatant lying. Perhaps you'd like to take a look at any of the many manufacturers' material safety data sheets (MSDS) on thimerosal and reevaluate your position. http://www.nomercury.org/msds.htm A quote from the Eli Lilly 1991 MSDS: "Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm." How about what Merck says about thimerosal: "Very toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed. DANGER OF CUMULATIVE EFFECTS!!!!!!! [emphasis added for effect.] Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment." How about this? "Immediately change contaminated clothing. Apply skin-protective barrier cream. Wash hands and face after working with substance. Under no circumstances eat or drink at workplace. Work under hood. Do not inhale substance." There are plenty of other quotes like that to be found on the page cited. So, tell me again how it's "not even close to being toxic." A very small portion of the population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an allergic response to thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their skin. This reaction is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the response people have when exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness). Although irritating it represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient. Due to the nature of these responses (properly referred to as hapten-carrier reactions), the risk of a reaction via injection is minimal as the body can only respond to thermosil when it is linked to specific skin protein(s). Because injected vaccines are placed below the keritinized layer of the skin, the chance of this conjugate forming is minimal, and therefore the risk of a response is also minimal. Even if a response occurs it tends to be very similar to your average allergic response - nasal congestion. Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price to pay. In your opinion, which is all you've posted here today. Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as truth. An ironic accusation, to say the least. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? I will not argue that vaccination has saved lives, but it has cost lives as well. The thing is, there is ample evidence that proper nutrition COULD have been used to save the same lives that vaccination has saved, only without the potential negative side effects. |
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Blood work from kids SHOULD have been taken within two to four hours, NOT
days after vaccines, thimerosal crosses the blood brain barrier and is stored in the brain. "Bryan Heit" wrote in message ... john wrote: "Bryan Heit" wrote in message Why does it say 25 mcg of neomycin on the package insert them? Wowe, out of the thousands of vaccines out there you managed to find one with an antibiotic. Oh, and the new MMR vaccines are now available with or without the neomycin, so you can get around it if you want. Tha siad, 25mcg (micrograms) is a minimal amount, as in it is a trace contaminant; about 1:1,000,000 what you would take in a single dose if treating an infection. To put this into context there is nearly 1000x more sorbitol (sugar) in the mix, and even that is in trace quantities compared to the vaccine components themselves. In the case of MMR, neomycin is there to prevent spoiling of the vaccine. They're using it in place of another preservative such as thermacil. At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? Study the real history, rather than flaunt your lies here http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html Why don't you try quoting science, instead of some fantasies made up by people who don't know what they're talking about. Here's some basic science literature which completely discounts the little lies on your little webpage: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_DocSum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Not to mention that the NIH, FDA, UN, CIHR, CID and pretty much every other major health organization all are on the side of vaccinations. That's tens of thousands of scientists, hundreds of thousands of doctors, and hundreds of health organizations, all on the side of vaccination. All against your what - 20 or 30 wackos? Aluminum hydroxide ... These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread without yeast. Vancouver neuroscientist Chris Shaw shows a link between the aluminum hydroxide used in vaccines, and symptoms associated with Parkinson's, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS, or Lou Gehrig's disease), and Alzheimer's....."This is suspicious," he told the Georgia Straight in a phone interview from his lab near Heather Street and West 12th Avenue. Wow, yet another uncited claim by the anti-vaccine group. It's not at all ironic that they've clamped onto a well known neurologist, and made claim on his behalf that we cannot substantiate. But we can infer a lot from his webpage and published articles. He has over 65 publications (search pubmed.gov for "Shaw CA" for a complete list), NONE of which address, or even mention, alum. And you'd think that with this ground breaking work he'd a least mention it on his webpage, if not have several publications on it (see link below for webpage). http://www.neuraldynamicsubc.ca/sour...-all-chron.htm The funny thing is that the issue of alum in vaccines has been well studied, and there is: 1) No published studies linking alum to ALS or any other disorder. You can confirm this yourself by searching the medical literature for this at www.pubmed.gov 2) Alum was shown to be protective to the kidney: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum 3) There are no scientific or medical reports demonstrating neurotoxicity from the use of alum in vaccines. In fact, the only reports of toxicity come from dialysis patients, whom often receive thousands of times the amount of aluminum that vaccine recipients do - and the damage is reversible: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum And one has to ask - if vaccines cause ALS then why, after nearly 100 years of the use of alum in vaccines, have the rates of ALS not changed? Billions of people have been vaccinated - you'd think that with all those people receiving alum there would be at least a small increase in ALS if there was even the most tenuous link... snip quote, which is probably faked, but purportivly from a real scientist "We have demonstrated the toxicity of thimerosal by using it to kill neurons in culture. Which is meaningless. I work with HIV, and kill it every day in petri dishes. Almost anything works - ethanol, chlorine, leaving the lights on. But NONE of these translate into biologically relevant data - you cannot put enough ethanol or chlorine into a patient to cure HIV, nor can they get enough sun. Same is true of the thermisal data you refer to - they (Boyd Haley) dumped industrial doses of thermisal into a pteri dish, and suprise!, things died. In addition, he hasn't published this data, which makes one wonder just how valid the experiment was or if it was even conducted. Problem is that there is no evidence that thimerosal is neurotoxic to living orgnaisms at the doses used in vaccines. In fact, all we really know comes from this work (see link below); long and short is: a) The models commonly used for meurcury posioning in the brian (i.e. methyl meucury) are not valid for guaging the effects of thimerosal. b) That thimerosal doesn't reach known toxic levels of other meurcury-containing toxins under normal vaccine conditions, and c) Given that thimerosal is less toxic then the toxins used to model thimerosal dosage, it is highly unlikely that it is having any neurotoxic effects. http://pubmedcentral.com/articlerend...?artid=1280342 At 50 nanomolar thimerosal the neuron killing capacity/rate is about doubled with the addition of levels of aluminium found in vaccines. Your brain would never see this much, for the following reasions: 1) The TOTAL amount of thermisal in a vaccine is extremely small, and administered to the whole body. A vaccine contains a mere 50 nanomolar concentration in a dose of ~1ml. Which means, at worst, your body is getting a total of 0.05 nanomoles thimerosal (50nmol/L * 0.001L = 0.05nmoles). Given that the human body has ~5L of blood in it, this 0.05nanomoles of thermisal will dilute in the blood to 0.01nmol/L (0.05nmol/5L = 0.01nmol/L), which is 1/5000th the dose at which neurotoxicity is claimed to occur. So unless you inject straight into the brain you'll never even approach dangerous levels. 2) The brain is sealed off from the blood by the blood brain barrier. This prevents the movement of nearly all molecules, including water, into the brain. Anything which the brain needs is actively imported into the brain. Since there is no thimerosal transporter in the blood brain barrier, little thimerosal will ever reach the brain. 3) Thimerosal is rapidly excreted by the kidneys, so the period of exposure is extremely short. The half life for thimerosal is ~7 days, a mere fraction of the half life of known toxic forms of mercury (i.e. methyl mercury). Gupta RK, Relyveld EH.Adverse reactions after injection of adsorbed diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) vaccine are not due only to pertussis organisms or pertussis components in the vaccine. Vaccine. 1991 Oct;9(10):699-702. Review.PMID: 1759487; UI: 92101590 Way too look at up-to-date literature. That's only what, 15 years old? I've got a bit of a suprise for you - we've made some advances since then. That said, had you actually read the paper you just quoted you would have seen that: a) The adverse reactions to which the authors refer occurred in less then 1000 cases, and of those 1:1000 cases, less then 1% of those reactions could be attributed to things other then the pertussis toxin. b) The "adverse reactions" were almost entirely wheel-and-flair reactions - i.e. a bit of swelling and pain at the point of injection. Ironically, the same authors you just quoted are still active in the field today, and now advocate a very different point of view. They now claim that the major source of these adverse reactions is the presence of "extra" bacterial components and toxins which are present in small quantities after processing. They then point out (rightly) that a better selection of antigens and better purification methods could reduce the frequency of these adverse reactions. And even still, these "adverse" reactions are largely limited to swelling and pain at the site of infection. Not exactly a lethal side effect. And a hell of a lot better then being infected with these pathogens. Or in other words, higher purification of the vaccine components is required, but the adjuvents we use are just fine. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Read and learn... Bryan |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Thank You, Max.
Excellent! "Max C." wrote in message ups.com... Let's take a look at some things you've said here (without a single shred of evidence to support yourself.) Bryan Heit wrote: Gelatin, chick embryo/egg/fluid, human/other cells, serum proteins, soy protein, yeast, etc: Used to support the growth of the virus/bacteria used to generate the vaccine. Viruses require living cells to grow (hence the use of eggs or animal cells). The rest (gelatin, serum, etc) are components of the media used to grow the cells. According to FDA rules, before sale all of these components must be removed from the vaccine. So listing them as ingredients is an out-and-out lie. Kinda like listing "dirt" as an ingredient for bread. It was used to grow the wheat, but isn't rpesent in the bread itself. So, you're saying that the CDC is lying when it lists those ingredients in the vaccines? http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/contraindications_guide.pdf If you'll read appendix A, you'll find that gelatin, egg protein, mouse serum protein (ick!), lactose, sorbitol and yeast protein are listed. Now, let me quote a specific sentence of notable mention: "While these substances, except as noted above, are not specified by the ACIP as contraindications to vaccination, providers should be aware of substances contained in vaccines should they encounter a patient with a known anaphylactic allergy." But if they're removed, WHY would it be of any concern to anyone? The fact is, the internet is filled with reports of reactions to the very substances you're claiming are removed before sale. So, even if you COULD provide evidence that it's removed before sale, the evidence suggests that either these substances aren't fully removed or they're getting back in to the vaccines before injection. Various microbes: Vaccines are designed to protect us from microbes. The way they do this is by exposing our body to parts of microbes, or to dead microbes, or to living (but impaired) microbes. This gives our immune system a chance to respond to the pathogen with no/minimal risk of actual disease. After this exposure the immune system "remembers" the pathogen, and thus if you are exposed to it again your body can readily fight it off. To put this into context, it takes your body upto 2 weeks to respond effectively to a pathogen the first time you are exposed - that's two weeks in which the pathogen can ravage your body. Memory responses are much faster, and usually take less then a day. So complaining about microbial components in your vaccines is rather stupid - making a vaccine without these would be like making bread without flour. Simply put, without these components the vaccine wouldn't do a thing. Yes, people who are now suffering from cancer as a result of the tainted polio vaccine back in the early 1960s have nothing to worry about when it comes to "various microbes." I was going to post a link here, but I had too many to choose from. Google the words monkey virus sv40 and take your pick. Antibiotics: Used in the culture of viruses and some bacteria, to prevent bacterial infections of the culture system. Due to the high rates of antibiotic allergies among people the FDA requires that these be removed before packaging. So it's not actually in the vaccine. Once again you are lying about the contents of the vaccines... Could you please show evidence that these things you're saying are removed are, in fact, removed? Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the vaccine. Sure you eat them. That doesn't mean they make it into your blood stream in tact. It's the job of our digestive tract to make sure it's broken down properly before entering the blood stream. You could eat a candy bar. Does that mean you'd melt one and inject it into blood stream? Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water. And you accuse others of lying. Aluminum hydroxide is used to increase the production of antibodies. That doesn't mean no antibodies would be produced without it. Furthermore, some of the aluminum hydroxide ends up in the brain. I don't know about you, but I don't want aluminum hydroxide in my child's brain. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Ah the ever popular "at the doses used" routine. Never mind that if you follow the recommended vaccination schedule, your child will receive MANY times the dosage in a single shot. While looking for info on polysorbate, I came across this page: http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/...gredients.html It lists several drawbacks of many of the ingredients we're talking about here. I also found many web sites implicating polysorbate as a potential carcinogen. Animal/laboratory vaccines use much more potent adjuvents (freunds, for example), but these are not used in people as the risk of a sever reaction is too high. Making vaccines without adjuvents would be like making bread without yeast. That's probably a good analogy. Much better than "you may as well be injecting water." Glycerin/glycerol: Thickening agent and emulsifier. Harmless; your body produces glycerin as a breakdown product of many lipids. Can also be used as an energy source by your body, or used by your body in the synthesis of various phospholipids. Major component of skin moisturizers and soaps. Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies, particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a common ingredient of carpet glue). I'd be interested in reading your source for the information above. Could you please post it? Thimerosal: A mercury-containing preservative. There was some suggestion in the 90's that thimerosal may cause autism or mercury poisoning. Both of these have since been disproved - there is absolutely no link between autism and vaccines what-so-every, and it also been shown that the amount of free mercury (i.e. toxic mercury) released from your average vaccine injection is about the same as the amount of mercury you receive eating a tuna salad sandwich. Even so, due to public pressure thermisol is being replaced in many vaccines with alternative preservatives. When compared to the risk of the diseases we're vaccinating against, worrying about the unlikely toxic effects of this preservative is like worrying about second-hand smoke when your trapped in a burning building. I've posted plenty of evidence already debunking your above statement. Search this group for my name and the word thimerosal. Some of the mercury in thimerosal enters the brain and remains there for quite a while. Again, I don't want mercury in the brains of my children. Monosodium glutamate (MSG), aspartame: Amino-acid derivatives, derived from glutamic acid and aspartic acid respectively. Used in the cell culture stage to provide the cells with amino-acids required for cell growth. Largely removed during processing, and can be used by our bodies for the synthesis of proteins, or can be broken down for energy. Also commonly used as food additives. There is a slight allergy risk with MSG, hence why it is usually removed from the final product. Heh... tell people who are allergic to it that it's slight. I've spoken with many people who have almost lost their lives over eating a meal they didn't know had MSG in it. Once again, can you provide evidence that this is removed from the final product? Phosphate-buffered saline (PBS): Simply a saline solution which is pH regulated by the addition of phosphate. This is injected (either as straight saline, or as PBS) frequently into patients. Probably the most commonly injected substance in medicine. Used medically to replace fluid after dehydration or blood loss. Use in vaccines to provide a safe fluid to suspend the vaccine in. Can be made in a variety of ways, and may contain: potassium chloride, potassium phosphate monobasic, potassium phosphate dibasic, sodium bicarbonate, sodium phosphate dibasic, and sodium chloride. All of these components exist naturally in our bodies - in fact, PBS is specifically designed to mimic the natural levels of these components in our bodies, and thus replicate the fluids in our body accurately. Also used in the culture of the cells used to make vaccines. thimerosal toxic on contact with the skin is totally benign when pumped into the bodies of infants. Wrong! Not even close to being toxic. Now this is just blatant lying. Perhaps you'd like to take a look at any of the many manufacturers' material safety data sheets (MSDS) on thimerosal and reevaluate your position. http://www.nomercury.org/msds.htm A quote from the Eli Lilly 1991 MSDS: "Warning: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm." How about what Merck says about thimerosal: "Very toxic by inhalation, in contact with skin and if swallowed. DANGER OF CUMULATIVE EFFECTS!!!!!!! [emphasis added for effect.] Very toxic to aquatic organisms, may cause long-term adverse effects in the aquatic environment." How about this? "Immediately change contaminated clothing. Apply skin-protective barrier cream. Wash hands and face after working with substance. Under no circumstances eat or drink at workplace. Work under hood. Do not inhale substance." There are plenty of other quotes like that to be found on the page cited. So, tell me again how it's "not even close to being toxic." A very small portion of the population (about 3 in 10,000) will undergo an allergic response to thermisol when if they are exposed to it on their skin. This reaction is known as a allergic dermatitis, akin to the response people have when exposed to poison ivy (i.e. itching, redness). Although irritating it represents no threat what-so-ever to the patient. Due to the nature of these responses (properly referred to as hapten-carrier reactions), the risk of a reaction via injection is minimal as the body can only respond to thermosil when it is linked to specific skin protein(s). Because injected vaccines are placed below the keritinized layer of the skin, the chance of this conjugate forming is minimal, and therefore the risk of a response is also minimal. Even if a response occurs it tends to be very similar to your average allergic response - nasal congestion. Hardly a "toxic" response, and a small price to pay. In your opinion, which is all you've posted here today. Ironically, the #1 risk of taking vaccines - anaphylaxis - wasn't even mentioned by you. Makes one wonder if you're even vaguely aware of how vaccines or the immune system work. If you don't want to be vaccinated that is your business, but you shouldn't be passing off these lies as truth. An ironic accusation, to say the least. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? I will not argue that vaccination has saved lives, but it has cost lives as well. The thing is, there is ample evidence that proper nutrition COULD have been used to save the same lives that vaccination has saved, only without the potential negative side effects. |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Jan Drew wrote:
Blood work from kids SHOULD have been taken within two to four hours, NOT days after vaccines What are you talking about? In terms of the papers I quoted, vis-a-vis thimerosal in the brain, they looked at monkeys, not kids. And they looked at multiple time points, after multiple injections. As for 2 to 4 hours, there is no significant reason to look at those time points. Given the 1/2 life of Thimerosal in the brain (6.7 days), you wouldn't see anything at these time points that would be significantly different then at the 1 to 2 days they looked at. , thimerosal crosses the blood brain barrier and is stored in the brain. Wrong, and had you actually looked at the links I posted you would know that. Thimerosal can only cross the BBB if it is carried across by a carrier protein (i.e. gets transported across along with something else), or if inflammation of the brain occurs. Secondly, thimerosal is not stored within the brain tissue. It clears at a well defined half-life of 6.7 days (had you read the paper you would have known that). 6.7 days is a pretty standard half-life for many drugs and in no way, shape, or form represents "storage" of the thimerosal in the brain. If storage was occurring you would expect half-lives in the range of weeks to months, like the half-life of known toxic mercury compounds (i.e. methyl-mercury, half-life of 60 days). The paper, again: http://pubmedcentral.com/articlerend...?artid=1280342 Bryan |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Max C. wrote:
So, you're saying that the CDC is lying when it lists those ingredients in the vaccines? http://www.cdc.gov/nip/recs/contraindications_guide.pdf If you'll read appendix A, you'll find that gelatin, egg protein, mouse serum protein (ick!), lactose, sorbitol and yeast protein are listed. The CDC is not lying, but those compound are present in trace amounts (if you look at the FDA standards you'll see that the requirements are usually less then 1ppm). It is physically impossible to remove 100% of any chemical when purifying biological agents. But you'll note that some of the things you claimed are in there - human embryonic cells for example, are not listed by the CDC as components. Also, what does it matter? None of those components are toxic to people; in fact, of the ones you listed only one (mouse serum) is not a regular part of most peoples diet. Gelatin is a part of your body (it is a component of collagen), sorbitol is a sugar (ohh no, not sugar), yeast proteins are in bread, beer, pastries, dough nuts, as are egg proteins. That's quite a long list of toxins! Now, let me quote a specific sentence of notable mention: "While these substances, except as noted above, are not specified by the ACIP as contraindications to vaccination, providers should be aware of substances contained in vaccines should they encounter a patient with a known anaphylactic allergy." Which is why the CDC lists these as *trace* components of vaccines. And, as I noted before, the concern IS NOT toxic effects of these compounds, but rather allergic responses to them. And as I've posted out before - the #1 allergic response is wheel-and-flare. A bit of swelling and pain. A far cry from the death and destruction you preach. Yes, people who are now suffering from cancer as a result of the tainted polio vaccine back in the early 1960s have nothing to worry about when it comes to "various microbes." The vaccine was contaminated with another virus, new polio vaccines (and all other vaccines) are no longer allowed to carry other pathogens. Apparently this comes as a surprise to you, but both the standards for vaccine purity and our ability to detect contamination have improved dramatically. But hey, none of us are surprised that you're living 50 years in the past! I was going to post a link here, but I had too many to choose from. Google the words monkey virus sv40 and take your pick. Rather then using google, why not use a scientific search engine? That way you'd get rid of all the crap on the net and limit yourself to the medical literature. Try www.pubmed.gov for starters. And a search of the medical literature shows that the link between SV40 and cancer is weak at best, and is highly controversial. But hey, you've got your agenda, so we shouldn't be surprised that you presented this as fact and not as a controversial idea which remain unproven. But for people who want the real story: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum Sorbitol & lactose: Sugars. You eat these every day; they're found in milk products, candy, and other sources. Perfectly safe. And usually removed from the final product to help prevent bacterial growth in the vaccine. Sure you eat them. That doesn't mean they make it into your blood stream in tact. It's the job of our digestive tract to make sure it's broken down properly before entering the blood stream. Actually, simple sugars like sorbatol and lactose are directly imported into your blood without modification. Your digestive tract does break down polyshaccarides (complex sugars) via enzymes called amylases, but the product of these enzymes are simple sugars - things like sorbatol, lactose, glucose, sucrose, fructose, etc. All of these sugars are directly metabolizable by our body without further modification. Indeed, many of these sugars are injected into the blood of patients - they are a common component of many IV products. They are alsop natural components of the blood. You could eat a candy bar. Does that mean you'd melt one and inject it into blood stream? Of course not - the complex sugars, starches, proteins, etc, would be problematic. But we're not talking about chocolate bars here; we're talking about highly purified sugars which are normally found in your blood. Aluminum hydroxide (alum), polysorbate: Adjuvents. Required to make the vaccine work. Without them you may as well inject water. And you accuse others of lying. Aluminum hydroxide is used to increase the production of antibodies. That doesn't mean no antibodies would be produced without it. You need to read on what adjuvents do. An antigen (i.e. the chunk of bacteria) is not enough to generate a protective immune response. You need a "danger" signal at the same time to indicate to the immune system that the antigen is dangerous. Without this danger signal your immune system actually inhibits future responses to that antigen (a process called anergy). This has the net effect of preventing, rather then promoting, immune responses against pathogens. In fact, allergy treatments work on this principal - you expose the body to the antigen without a danger signal, in the hopes of teaching the immune system to ignore the allergen. We're also trying to develop vaccines which could be used to treat autoimmune disease (diabetes, MS, lupus) using the same process. You can read more on this by searching for energy and tolerance, or by picking up any basic immunology textbook. In the case of alum, it serves two purposes. Firstly, it acts as the danger signal I refered to. Secondly, it helps to inhibit the dispersion of the antigen. This keeps the antigen in the injection site longer, thus enhancing the size of the immune response. Furthermore, some of the aluminum hydroxide ends up in the brain. I don't know about you, but I don't want aluminum hydroxide in my child's brain. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract True, but the levels seen in the brain were low, transient, and only seen after the injection of relatively large amounts of alum. And given the choice between my child brain being exposed to a bit of alum, verses my child dying from polio, mumps, measles, hepatitus, etc, I'll take the alum. Polysorbate is also a common ingredient in foods. These two compounds are used as they are extremely safe at the doses used. Ah the ever popular "at the doses used" routine. Never mind that if you follow the recommended vaccination schedule, your child will receive MANY times the dosage in a single shot. Which is taken into account when they add these components to vaccines. The scientists and doctors who design vaccine schedules are not idiots, and the whole schedule is designed around getting optimum immunization with minimal toxic effects. While looking for info on polysorbate, I came across this page: http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/...gredients.html I'd question the validity of this source, seeing as it comes from an anti-vaccine source. Here's a MSDS on polysorbate, which has accurate info on toxicity and routs of ingestion for polysorbate-80, the form used in vaccines: http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/t7683.htm You'll notice that the listed risks are mild irritation, with the exception of ingestion of large amounts, which can cause diarrhea... There is also no published scientific data claiming that polysorbate-80 is a carcinogen, although it does appear to be useful in delivering anti-cancer drugs to tumors. Once again, I'd direct you to pubmed.gov if you want to check yourself. It lists several drawbacks of many of the ingredients we're talking about here. I also found many web sites implicating polysorbate as a potential carcinogen. Webpages are fine, if reality isn't a concern. If you want the real story you need to look at the medical literature. There is a lot of medical material on the net; most of it is wrong. www.pubmed.gov is an excellent search engine for looking specifically at the medical literature. I've heard that Google scholar also does a good job, although I have no first hand experience. That's probably a good analogy. Much better than "you may as well be injecting water." Either way you don't get bread/immunity. Phenol, formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethenol: Organic compounds used in the preparation/preservation of the vaccine. Toxic at high doses, but present in vaccines in trace amounts. Some are produced by our bodies, particularly in the liver. As an example, your liver produces trace amounts of formaldehyde as a natural part of it's metabolism (usually during the breakdown of alcohol-containing compounds). Every 3 hours your liver will produce about the same amount of formaldehyde that is present in an vaccine. You'll recieve more phenol from living in a house with carpets then you will recieve from vaccines (phenol is a common ingredient of carpet glue). Which part? The stuff on the formation of formaldehyde is readily found in any biochemistry textbook; I don't have a specific link for that as it is just stuff I know and use on a day-to-day basis (I'm a molecular biologist). It's actually the mechanism of methanol poisoning - the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase converts the alcohol group on methanol into an aldehyde group, thus forming formaldehyde. The formaldehyde is what is toxic, not the methanol. Formaldehyde is also produced any time your liver breaks down a methanol side-group. For example (you'll need monospaced type for this): CH3-CH-CH3 (isobutanol) ---------------------- CH3-CH-CH3 | ALCOHOL DEHYDROGENASE | CH2OH CH2O ------------- CH3-CH2-CH3 (propanol) + CH2O (formaldehyde) HYDROGENATION As for the carpet glue, it's a major concern. There is a lot of medical lit out there about the risks of long-term exposure to these chemicals, with flooring being identified as the major source. Pubmed.gov again... I'd be interested in reading your source for the information above. Could you please post it? As I said, it's basic biochemistry. Any biochem book should cover the basics. I did a quick google, and this is the best simple description I could find, from molecule of the month: http://pdbdev.sdsc.edu:48346/pdb/molecules/pdb13_1.html I've posted plenty of evidence already debunking your above statement. No, you've posted links to a bunch of anti-vaccine and conspiracy pages. That hardly constitutes proof. Try providing us with a bit of science - I linked to multiple medical papers about this topic; one must wonder why you cannot provide the same quality of proof. There are plenty of other quotes like that to be found on the page cited. So, tell me again how it's "not even close to being toxic." Firstly, dose, dose, dose. Even water is toxic if you drink enough. As is table salt (who's MSDS reads a lot like the one you posted). Spilling thimerosal on your skin is not going to kill you - bathing in it may be a good idea. And also, you really need to get more recent sources for your info, here's the MSDS (2005 version) for thimerosal from a reputable university: http://physchem.ox.ac.uk/MSDS/TH/thimerosal.html You'll notice it has codes for "harmful by inhalation" (R20) and "harmful by ingestion" (R22). But only is stated that it may be harmful through skin contact. You'll also notice that the lethal doses are quite high - in the range of 40-100mg/kg. Table salt is almost as toxic. Now the first thing you're going to do is ask why there is such a big difference between you're older MSDS and this newer one. The answer is simple - often they don't have all the info they need, so they simply put in the strongest warnings they feel is necessary. Often, this is based on related chemicals. But as more an more is found out about a compound the MSDS gets updated. Hence why you really need to look at sources which are a little newer then the ones you tend to post. Although the fact that you use lies to push your agenda is a pretty good indicator of just how honest you are, and speaks volumes about the credibility of your arguments. At the end of the day vaccines have saved millions of lives; you seem to want those people to die. why is that? I will not argue that vaccination has saved lives, but it has cost lives as well. The thing is, there is ample evidence that proper nutrition COULD have been used to save the same lives that vaccination has saved, only without the potential negative side effects. Really? Please provide ONE SINGLE SCIENTIFIC article proving that nutrition is as effective as vaccination. I've heard that line before, and yet none of you "nutrition is god" people have ever been able to post single link which demonstrates this scientifically. Anecdotal links need not reply. I can provide anecdotal evidence that Elvis is still around and kicking - doesn't make it true. Bryan |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Jan Drew wrote:
Whew... A lot of claims there. Care to prove EACH and EVERY one?? Firstly, I provided more outside links then you did. Secondly, I've provided lots of links to actual medical literature in this, and other posts. You can also do a lot of the legwork yourself - www.pubmed.gov is an excellent source for finding scientific papers within the medical field. Sorry, you'll find none of your anti-vaccine conspiracy material there... For someone posting from: The University of Calgary You really should learn how to spell!! Why? I'm posting to the net, not writing a thesis! And if that's the best you can do to "disprove" my claims then you've got a long way's to go. Get updated. Grow a brain Bryan |
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What is in those Vaccinations?????
Bryan,
Since you're new here, I feel compelled to inform you that your use of logic, rationale and facts are not suitable for the anti-vac wackos. You need to learn to use more disparaging comments, obfuscation, and lies - those seem to be the only things they understand. |
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