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"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... The reason that I call Mark Probert a fool is this. His logic is very discouraging. He believes that the positive effects of Hidden Food Allergies is psychological. I believe that it is physical, because of the experiences I had when I accidently ate something that I was allergic to. My aching joints reminded me to check the ingredients. I suffered about 40 years of chronic fatigue, 17 years of hayfever, 10 years of joint pain, and about 4 or 5 years of chronic diarrhea. If I had found that I was allergic to corn and dairy 40 years ago, and my symptoms never happened I would have been happy. Even if the reason for my symptoms disappearing was psychological, it would have been worth the cost of me giving up corn or dairy. There are many people out here who wish that they knew something about Hidden Food Allergies. If they had to give up certain foods to make their symptoms go away, they would count that as a blessing. Even if the cause is psychological. If my parents had heard about Hidden Food Allergies 40 years ago, we would've at least have had a choice. We could have chose to believe it or not believe it. The problem that I have is that conventional medicine took away peoples choice by keeping people in the dark about the Hidden Food Allergy CONTROVERSY. Why not publicize both sides of the controversy loud and clear? I had to find out by chance, slim chance. I found out a few years ago. Mark's reason for not informing the public is amoral at best. There is a huge variety of foods besides corn and dairy. Since this is about food, not medication, it can't interfere with a doctor trying to find a medical problem. I can get calcium from soy milk just like I get it from dairy milk. Brad_Chad We understand, Brad. Mark is here to stomp out anything not written and proven by double blinded, in a controlled setting, peer-reviewed-bla bla bla Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. He also needs to have an argument going and be personally trashing someone. A pity, he really doesn't care what helped you. He and Rich have lied about you and said you were advertising. When I called Mark's hand, he did his usual and stated, as far as I am concern his advocating is advertising. He does this to make his version into advertising. Mark's has a history that shows he is a mess. Don't let him get to you, that's exactly what he wants. Thanks for sharing, and you never know how many you may have helped. Jan |
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"LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:ArLqe.47657$nG6.6538@attbi_s22... Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. There's that undefined term again. Where's that difinition, Jan? -- --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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"Rich" wrote in message news "Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... The problem that I have is that conventional medicine took away peoples choice by keeping people in the dark about the Hidden Food Allergy CONTROVERSY. Why not publicize both sides of the controversy loud and clear? Not, as you seem to believe, because researchers are trying to conceal some great burning controversy in medicine. Medical research is not much done into "hidden allergies" because it is not a subject that offers much promise of discovery. Just because you read a book about "hidden allergies" you seem to think that HA is a major breakthough into the diagnosis and treatment of disease. It's not. It's an insignificant backwater in the world of medicine and is being ignored out of disinterest, not deceit. WONDERFUL!!!! NOBODY'S INTERSTED IN YOUR HEALTH BRAD, GO RIGHT ON BEING SICK!! --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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"Rich" wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:ArLqe.47657$nG6.6538@attbi_s22... Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. There's that undefined term again. Where's that difinition, Jan? mumbo jumbo --Rich Recommended websites: http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles http://www.acahf.org.au http://www.quackwatch.org/ http://www.skeptic.com/ http://www.csicop.org/ |
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Brad_Chad wrote:
My point, Mark, is that there will be things found out in the future that we don't know today. OK. I expect that we will find out, for sure, that hidden food allergies are a manufactured condition, created by those who stand to profit from them. You read a book on it...thus there is already one documented profiteer. Naturopaths have picked up on it...thus an entire "profession" of profiteers. Few people want to do an elimination diet. It is hard to do a large scale study of Hidden Food Allergies without people sticking to an elimination diet. Naturopathic doctors treat people everyday for Hidden Food Allergies. Naturaly, they do that. Why? Since HFA are as nebulous as a cloud, any conincidental feeling better by the patient will be called a successful treatment. This scam is intrinsic to naturopathy and homeopathy. You can fall for those scams if you like, but I will not, and I will continue to point out how people are scammed. There are many people out here (besides me) that have gotten great results. Maybe you should walk into a naturopathic doctors office and speak to some patients? I do not have to jump off a bridge to know that it is bad for my health. Here we go again, for the 1,003 time. Your explanation that HFA is a scam does NOT explain why my symptoms would occur again at the times I forgot to check the ingredients in my food. Brad, we only have your account of that. Since it is not subject to independent verification, then I cannot use your yarn as a datapoint. If I mix up a food that has corn syrup with a food that has cane sugar, how will my body know when to react BEFORE I know that corn or dairy is in the ingredients? It is amazing how my symptoms can occur on cue like that. You still have not explained how this SCAM can account for the accidental eating of foods and its associated symptoms. You have not explained how this "SCAM" has accounted for reactions to corn that I had as a child, which could not be explained by conventional medicine. How can a scam know my medical past "exactly" without knowing me personally. I read my medical history in a magazine article about Hidden Food Allergies. How many times do I have to tell you about the Soda and coffee thing from my childhood? You refuse to explain it, yet you won't shut your hole. |
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Brad_Chad wrote:
The reason that I call Mark Probert a fool is this. His logic is very discouraging. He believes that the positive effects of Hidden Food Allergies is psychological. I believe that it is physical, because of the experiences I had when I accidently ate something that I was allergic to. My aching joints reminded me to check the ingredients. I see, so merely because we disagree on causality you call me a fool and then you get discouraged. Hmmm...I say it is psychoogical and you get discouraged...I wonder if their is a link in there... |
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LadyLollipop wrote:
"Brad_Chad" wrote in message oups.com... The reason that I call Mark Probert a fool is this. His logic is very discouraging. He believes that the positive effects of Hidden Food Allergies is psychological. I believe that it is physical, because of the experiences I had when I accidently ate something that I was allergic to. My aching joints reminded me to check the ingredients. I suffered about 40 years of chronic fatigue, 17 years of hayfever, 10 years of joint pain, and about 4 or 5 years of chronic diarrhea. If I had found that I was allergic to corn and dairy 40 years ago, and my symptoms never happened I would have been happy. Even if the reason for my symptoms disappearing was psychological, it would have been worth the cost of me giving up corn or dairy. There are many people out here who wish that they knew something about Hidden Food Allergies. If they had to give up certain foods to make their symptoms go away, they would count that as a blessing. Even if the cause is psychological. If my parents had heard about Hidden Food Allergies 40 years ago, we would've at least have had a choice. We could have chose to believe it or not believe it. The problem that I have is that conventional medicine took away peoples choice by keeping people in the dark about the Hidden Food Allergy CONTROVERSY. Why not publicize both sides of the controversy loud and clear? I had to find out by chance, slim chance. I found out a few years ago. Mark's reason for not informing the public is amoral at best. There is a huge variety of foods besides corn and dairy. Since this is about food, not medication, it can't interfere with a doctor trying to find a medical problem. I can get calcium from soy milk just like I get it from dairy milk. Brad_Chad We understand, Brad. Mark is here to stomp out anything not written and proven by double blinded, in a controlled setting, peer-reviewed-bla bla bla Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. Jan, please define "organized medicine" in a simple and coherent definition so we can figure out what you are referring to. I know you have claimed that you have done so, but, alas, no one can find it, and, you seem to change the definition to suit your needs. He also needs to have an argument going and be personally trashing someone. I have not personally trashed Brad, although he has done so to me. However, in your case, watch out for the trash pile. A pity, he really doesn't care what helped you. He and Rich have lied about you and said you were advertising. That was not a lie as I clearly demonstrated when I posted the definition for advertising. Need I do it again since your short, impaired, and convenient memory is faulty? When I called Mark's hand, he did his usual and stated, as far as I am concern his advocating is advertising. He does this to make his version into advertising. No, stupid, I posted the definition. I guess I have to do it again just to show what a moron you a http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ntry/advertise ad·ver·tise (dvr-tz) KEY VERB: ad·ver·tised , ad·ver·tis·ing , ad·ver·tis·es VERB: tr. 2. To make known; call attention to: advertised my intention to resign. Brad has most certainly "made known" and "called attention to" his HFA. Thus he has advertised them. I am sorry if it pains you to be shown that your education stopped at Sandbox 101. Mark's has a history that shows he is a mess. I am very neat. I am precise in showing you are functionally illiterate. Don't let him get to you, that's exactly what he wants. I do not want to get to Brad. I am addressing his ideas. Do I need to define *idea* for you? Thanks for sharing, and you never know how many you may have helped. |
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LadyLollipop wrote:
"Rich" wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:ArLqe.47657$nG6.6538@attbi_s22... Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. There's that undefined term again. Where's that difinition, Jan? mumbo jumbo Documented mumbo jumbo: http://education.yahoo.com/reference...nized+medicine Dictionary: Search Results Sorry, we have no matches for organized medicine. Other Suggestions: We're sorry, we have no suggestions for correcting your search. No suggestions to correct Jan? ACK! Jan is now certified to be beyond help! |
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Mark Probert wrote: LadyLollipop wrote: "Rich" wrote in message ... "LadyLollipop" wrote in message news:ArLqe.47657$nG6.6538@attbi_s22... Orangized medicine mumbo jumbo. There's that undefined term again. Where's that difinition, Jan? mumbo jumbo Documented mumbo jumbo: http://education.yahoo.com/reference...nized+medicine Dictionary: Search Results Sorry, we have no matches for organized medicine. Other Suggestions: We're sorry, we have no suggestions for correcting your search. No suggestions to correct Jan? ACK! Jan is now certified to be beyond help! No surprises there, then Cathy |
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"Mark Probert" wrote:
Jan, please define "organized medicine" in a simple and coherent definition so we can figure out what you are referring to. I know you have claimed that you have done so, but, alas, no one can find it, and, you seem to change the definition to suit your needs. I have no problem in understanding what Jan means by "organized medicine." She means the way medicine is generally taught and practiced today. Medicine is normally practiced using the pharm drug medicine "culture." That is, medicine uses the "burn, cut or poison" medical approach to resolve health conditions. In dentistry, they use silver-mercury poison inserts placed in one's tooth rather then white composite fillings. |
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