More about Conception Intuitions

"Pip" wrote in message
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"carl jones" wrote in message
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Thanks for your post, Todd. You have a good point. But what do you mean
by
"closing birth canals?"

Carl


Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask
anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what closing
the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her
back
or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it is
able to. A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive to
a
more *roomier* birth for the baby.

(How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you in
about 10 weeks when I give birth )


Pip,

You did GREAT.

Don't forget - it's UP TO 30%. Some women don't have much sacroiliac
motion - some women have massive amounts.

Then again, even a little bit of sacroiliac motion might mean the difference
between non-interventive vaginal delivery and operative vaginal delivery
(forceps/vacuum) - or the difference between vaginal delivery and abdominal
delivery.

I am SO pleased with your explanation to Carl.

Thanks!

Todd

PS I'll be thinking of you when you deliver. Wow, 10 weeks is not that far
off!

In ,
carl jones wrote:

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*"Hillary Israeli" wrote in message
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* In ,
* carl jones wrote:
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* *!
*
* That makes no sense. Physicians do not date pregnancies from the date of
* conception. Physicians date pregnancies using the last menstrual period
* (LMP) method. Conception is a peri-ovulatory act. Therefore, six weeks
* post-conception, if a physician makes a diagnosis of pregnancy, he or she
* would pronounce the woman to be EIGHT weeks pregnant
*
*Maybe you have a point g :Perhaps this physician was dating from
*conception to go along with the mother's original claim. Perhaps he wasn't.
*I am only relating the story the way it was told to me And I have no reason
*to believe the story teller is lying.

The simple inconsistency I pointed out already is enough to make me think
that someone is lying.

--
Hillary Israeli, VMD
Lafayette Hill/PA/USA/Earth
"Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it is
too dark to read." --Groucho Marx

carl jones wrote:
Thousands of parents experience conception intuitions.

If you can make this statement, wouldn't you have enough stories to choose
from?

Gee {blush} thanks
(I can feel the power ) and yes UP TO 30%

"Todd Gastaldo" wrote in message
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"Pip" wrote in message
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"carl jones" wrote in message
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Thanks for your post, Todd. You have a good point. But what do you mean
by
"closing birth canals?"

Carl


Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask
anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what
closing
the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her
back
or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it
is
able to. A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive
to
a
more *roomier* birth for the baby.

(How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you
in
about 10 weeks when I give birth )


Pip,

You did GREAT.

Don't forget - it's UP TO 30%. Some women don't have much sacroiliac
motion - some women have massive amounts.

Then again, even a little bit of sacroiliac motion might mean the
difference
between non-interventive vaginal delivery and operative vaginal delivery
(forceps/vacuum) - or the difference between vaginal delivery and
abdominal
delivery.

I am SO pleased with your explanation to Carl.

Thanks!

Todd

PS I'll be thinking of you when you deliver. Wow, 10 weeks is not that
far
off!

"Pip" wrote in message
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Oh man, nooooo he asked the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL just ask
anyone on ANY pregnancy group and we will be able to tell you what closing
the birth canal by 30% means. It means a women who gives birth on her
back
or semi sitting is not allowing her pelvis to open up the extra 30% it is
able to.

28 % the pelvis is larger by 28% in the squatting position.

A birth in the side lying or squatting position is conductive to a
more *roomier* birth for the baby.

Yes. That is true. Our OB insisted that Jan (my wife) get into a squatting
position. I wanted her to lie back because in the squatting position birth
was too fast. But that is Jan. For most women, I recommend side-lying or
squatting.

So that's what all those long posts about closing the birth canal are all
about g Todd really is waging a campaign. He brings it up every chance he
gets.

(How did I do Todd did I remember correctly??, I'll be thinking of you in
about 10 weeks when I give birth )

Bright wishes for a happy birth.


Carl

Childbirth educator Carl Jones, CCE asked:

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[W]hat do you mean by
"closing birth canals?"


Carl,

The familiar phrase "squatting opens" is better stated "semisitting
closes" - or "dorsal closes"...

Thank you for this *lengthy* explanation with all the quotes and statistics
I will read it at leisure tonight and probably get back to you.


Carl

OBs are slicing vaginas/abdomens en masse (episiotomy/c-section) -
surgically/fraudulently inferring they are doing/have done everything
possible to open the birth canal - even as they close the birth canal up
to
30%.

No - allowing birth canals to open maximally won't prevent all
episiotomies
and c-sections but that is no reason for OBs and CNMwives to keep closing
birth canals up to 30%.

Your post is well-researched and full of useful information. The cesarean
rate in this country is about 25% (correct me if the rate is different) and
the episiotomy rate is nearly 100% with some OBs. I was always horrified by
this. Your campaign on keeping the birth outlet open -- for lack of a better
expression -- is, I'm sure, helping women to give birth without these maniac
surgeries. As you said, allowing birth canals to open won't prevent all
episiotomies (or tearing) and c-sections but it will go a long way toward
increasing these unecessary and ritual surgeries.

Thanks for your insight,


Carl

"Hillary Israeli" wrote in message
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*Maybe you have a point g :Perhaps this physician was dating from
*conception to go along with the mother's original claim. Perhaps he
wasn't.
*I am only relating the story the way it was told to me And I have no
reason
*to believe the story teller is lying.

The simple inconsistency I pointed out already is enough to make me think
that someone is lying.

I tend to take people at face value when they tell me of an episode. This
isn't strict parapsychological research but the proving ground for ESP is
real, everyday life, not the laboratory.


Carl

"KellyH" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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I see you only want reports that confirm your bias. Explain why
that's
"research" again, would you?


"carl jones" wrote in message
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I am collecting anecdotal stories of conception intuitions for a
possible
book on women's intuition. That's the extent of my research.


That's not exactly "reasearch" then, is it?

Go ahead, make fun of me running and ducking

I had IVF and I was certain it didn't work. I didn't even want to take
the
pictures of the embryos they give you at transfer because I was so sure it
wasn't going to work. Wooo... spooky intuition! not.

Sometimes what we think is intuition turns out to be just a fear or wishful
thinking.


Carl

wrote in message
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Well, here's mine: I had no conception intuition.

Any reasonable book on women's intuition needs to include those of us
(quite possibly the majority) with no intuitions about conception at
all, and those of us with faulty intuition, as well as those of us with
intuition that happened to be accurate.

There is no faulty intuition -- just thoughts that seemed to be intuition
but turn out otherwise.

By the by, I am including cases that are not genuine ESP for accuracy.



Carl