Spanking in Early Childhood and Later Behavior Problems

Doan wrote:
.....in response to Ron's simple request for a link...

.... that Doan had somehow managed to forget with his quote of the
abstract he hopes to support his claim of black children being different
than white children when it comes to CP.

And when he did give the link, he attempted, as you can see below, to
divert to another topic...

This little red flag, along with a link that requires the trouble of a
cut an paste, instead of including enough to create a live link in the
post, suggested to me that I go look.

Doan wanted to hide something, as usual.


On Sat, 27 Jan 2007, Ron wrote:

Link?

Ron

pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/113/5/1321

Had Doan been honest, he would have posted a live link...like this:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...act/113/5/1321

Now comes the "diversion," one of Doan's common weasel tactics when he's
trying to hide something. This issue was a dead issue but created by him
to divert, rather than debate.

Now, can you show me the link where you admitted that you "ERRed"
instead of quoting out of context as I accused you?

Why would he change the subject, instead of offer to engage in debate
concerning the quoted abstract?

Well, let's go look, shall we:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...act/113/5/1321

Once there, go to the bottom of the article where you will see listings
of other articles that cited this one.

There's the key and the deception attempt by Doan the Clever.

Here's what exists at one of the links..this one in fact, and it is in
opposition to the one Doan quoted:

http://cmx.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/10/3/283

Child Maltreatment, Vol. 10, No. 3, 283-292 (2005)
DOI: 10.1177/1077559505277803
© 2005 SAGE Publications
Corporal Punishment and the Growth Trajectory of Children’s Antisocial
Behavior
Andrew Grogan-Kaylor

University of Michigan

Despite considerable research, the relationship between corporal
punishment and antisocial behavior is unclear. This analysis examined
(a) the functional form of this relationship, (b) the correlation of
initial antisocial behavior and changes in antisocial behavior, (c)
differences in the relationship of corporal punishment and antisocial
behavior by race, and (d) whether this relationship could be accounted
for by unmeasured characteristics of children and their families. Data
from 6,912 children in the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth were
analyzed using hierarchical linear models. Findings suggested that
corporal punishment has a relationship with children’s initial
antisocial behavior and with changes in antisocial behavior. No evidence
was found for differences in the effect of corporal punishment across
racial groups. The relationship between corporal punishment and
antisocial behavior persists even when accounting for unmeasured time
invariant characteristics of children and families. The findings suggest
that corporal punishment is not a preferable technique for disciplining
children.

Key Words: antisocial behavior • corporal punishment • growth trajectory
• hierarchical linear models
...........

In fact, folks, if you follow the trail from abstract to abstract and
article to article, you will find a great deal of research similar to
the above...that clearly states: "No evidence was found for differences
in the effect of corporal punishment across racial groups. The
relationship between corporal punishment and antisocial behavior
persists even when accounting for unmeasured time invariant
characteristics of children and families." or words to that effect.

One can not also, if they keep digging along this track, as I suggest,
even more information about this particular study. Though it draws a
similar conclusion about the effects of spanking with black and Hispanic
children vs white children a couple of confounding factors pop up not
mentioned in the originally Doan quoted citation.

http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7459/0-f
....Children were excluded from analysis for a large number of reasonable
exceptions, leaving a group that was 28% black, 20% Hispanic, and 52%
non-Hispanic white. Forty per cent of the mothers in the sample had at
least 13 years of education, and the average family income was $38 400
(in 1996 dollars), though lowest in the black subgroup ($26 300).
Because of the design of the database, this study specifically excluded
"economically disadvantaged white" children. ...

They excluded similar demographic and created a dissimilar white group
from the Hispanic and black group? Why? what's with this "design of a
database?"

What about it would make leaving out one subset of children necessary?
Come ON folks.

Think about the implications.

What would the conclusions have been had this economically
disadvantaged, (as the black and likely the Hispanic populations were)
group of white children have been included?

High income denotes a number of things. One might be how often they were
called to school, and responded, and reported to the interviewers, as
compared to other groups.

What we also don't know is what took place, CP-wise, from age 2 (the
spanking portion cutoff age) to age five when children start school?

Was spanking increased in any group...decreased? Stopped altogether?

This kinds of unanswered questions bring the validity of the study into
serious question.

What Doan and others fail to note, quite often, is that 'peer reviewed'
does NOT mean PEER ACCEPTED.

It's important to READ the peer reviews, like this one. And the one before.

Here's the conclusion to the review: "Bottom line In white non-Hispanic
children who were not economically disadvantaged, spanking before the
age of 2 years is associated with significant behaviour problems on
entry to school at age 6. This relation is present after controlling for
other factors, but is not seen in black or Hispanic children."


Note that it does in fact, but without making it clear, compare NON
economically disadvantaged White children with economically
DISADVANTAGED African American and Hispanic children.

Any bias possible there?

By Doan, possibly?

R R R R RR R R R R R

Now do you understand why Doan tried to divert Ron from the actual article?

Doan thinks such tactics are clever, no doubt.

Kane







Doan