Sampling the poster's lies by rejection and concealing of context

Doan wrote:
Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read
the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know
that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with
lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community.

References:
Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers:
Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology,
32, 1065-1072.

Doan

Actually what was said, just as he lied using this method about Straus'
comments on Baumrind's Berkeley presentation, turns out to be
considerably more and considerably different in this example.

From the source...and you might notice no active link was provided so
we could check the veracity of the poster...you will find the following:

Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African-American and European-American
mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental
Psychology, 32, 1065-1072.

[[[ This is were the poster stopped, after making a claim that "Any one
who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American
should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were
associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of
spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher
misbehavior and agression[sic] in the Black community." I draw your
attention to the *** marked passage. ]]]

The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical
discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A
sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a
broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten
through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in
interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated
children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between
ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated
externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher
externalizing scores, but only among European American children.
***These findings provide evidence that the link between physical
punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific.


"May be" is a long way from "the lack of spanking that has been shown,
repeatedly."

Once again the poster lies by manipulating context. And has done so for
years.

Not only does he do it, but when it's pointed out he asks, "what don't
you understand about [the snipped passage out of context," thus
compounding the lie.

A lie is any attempt to mislead.

Would you say the above was not a blatant attempt to mislead, making
claims NOT even referenced in his source?

No study proving the lack of spanking resulted in more aggression among
African American children was offered in support of his claim..though he
claims there is evidence "repeatedly" offered..........somewhere.

Not unlike krp recently, this poster simply dodged after making the claim.

"Who here believe" the poster?

Kane





On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

... spanking, of course.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/

Views September 8, 2006 Web Only
Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage
corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more
to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27
but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in
separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a
flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering
Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods.

In black communities across the United States, concerned people are
gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of
violence.

Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of
these gatherings: Stop spanking your children.

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal
punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem
the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of
physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or
controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social
dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including
the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological
Association and the National Association of Social Workers have
published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal
punishment of children.

International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment
is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program
to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation
of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication,
that according to a preponderance of research, it is also
?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.?

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all
corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have
followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia,
Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these
countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high
for a society that called itself civilized.

Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is
scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans.
But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the
black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of
using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a
professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written
extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of
corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.?

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they?re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn?t work.

There?s also the sheer injustice of imposing an act of physical violence
on someone smaller and weaker: As we?ve learned from U.S. foreign
policy, that never leads to positive outcomes.

Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor of In These Times, where he has worked
since 1983, and an op-ed columnist for the Chicago Tribune. He is
currently a Crime and Communities Media Fellow of the Open Society
Institute, examining the impact of ex-inmates and gang leaders in
leadership positions in the black community.

More information about Salim Muwakkil
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/13




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

When challenged to show proof for his claim, this is what he replied,
thus showing just who was actually doing what the challenger, myself,
was accused of doing;

Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted
and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth!

Doan

Answered to my challenge below:

Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim.

This is what has made Usenet a pointless exercise in fact finding and
reasoned discussion. This kind of blatant lying.

The poster made a claim, was asked to prove his claim, and danced away
with ad hom rather than do so.

One cannot debate a liar, who simply claims, by lying, the other person
lies.

No doubt he'll have some other clever lie to attempt, impotently, to
refute the truth about him.





0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read
the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know
that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with
lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community.

References:
Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers:
Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology,
32, 1065-1072.

Doan

Actually what was said, just as he lied using this method about Straus'
comments on Baumrind's Berkeley presentation, turns out to be
considerably more and considerably different in this example.

From the source...and you might notice no active link was provided so
we could check the veracity of the poster...you will find the following:

Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African-American and European-American
mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental
Psychology, 32, 1065-1072.

[[[ This is were the poster stopped, after making a claim that "Any one
who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American
should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were
associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of
spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher
misbehavior and agression[sic] in the Black community." I draw your
attention to the *** marked passage. ]]]

The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical
discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A
sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a
broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten
through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in
interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated
children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between
ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated
externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher
externalizing scores, but only among European American children.
***These findings provide evidence that the link between physical
punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific.


"May be" is a long way from "the lack of spanking that has been shown,
repeatedly."

Once again the poster lies by manipulating context. And has done so for
years.

Not only does he do it, but when it's pointed out he asks, "what don't
you understand about [the snipped passage out of context," thus
compounding the lie.

A lie is any attempt to mislead.

Would you say the above was not a blatant attempt to mislead, making
claims NOT even referenced in his source?

No study proving the lack of spanking resulted in more aggression among
African American children was offered in support of his claim..though he
claims there is evidence "repeatedly" offered..........somewhere.

Not unlike krp recently, this poster simply dodged after making the claim.

"Who here believe" the poster?

Kane





On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

... spanking, of course.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/

Views September 8, 2006 Web Only
Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage
corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more
to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27
but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in
separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a
flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering
Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods.

In black communities across the United States, concerned people are
gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of
violence.

Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of
these gatherings: Stop spanking your children.

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal
punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem
the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of
physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or
controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social
dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including
the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological
Association and the National Association of Social Workers have
published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal
punishment of children.

International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment
is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program
to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation
of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication,
that according to a preponderance of research, it is also
?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.?

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all
corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have
followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia,
Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these
countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high
for a society that called itself civilized.

Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is
scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans.
But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the
black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of
using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a
professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written
extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of
corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.?

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they?re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn?t work.

There?s also the sheer injustice of imposing an act of physical violence
on someone smaller and weaker: As we?ve learned from U.S. foreign
policy, that never leads to positive outcomes.

Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor of In These Times, where he has worked
since 1983, and an op-ed columnist for the Chicago Tribune. He is
currently a Crime and Communities Media Fellow of the Open Society
Institute, examining the impact of ex-inmates and gang leaders in
leadership positions in the black community.

More information about Salim Muwakkil
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/13




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

So much for the claim he is on my "do-not-reply" list and "I don't read
hist post". Can you believe how STUPID this liar, Kane is? ;-)

Doan


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read
the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know
that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with
lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community.

References:
Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers:
Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology,
32, 1065-1072.

Doan

Actually what was said, just as he lied using this method about Straus'
comments on Baumrind's Berkeley presentation, turns out to be
considerably more and considerably different in this example.

From the source...and you might notice no active link was provided so
we could check the veracity of the poster...you will find the following:

Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African-American and European-American
mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental
Psychology, 32, 1065-1072.

[[[ This is were the poster stopped, after making a claim that "Any one
who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American
should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were
associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of
spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher
misbehavior and agression[sic] in the Black community." I draw your
attention to the *** marked passage. ]]]

The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical
discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A
sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a
broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten
through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in
interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated
children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between
ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated
externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher
externalizing scores, but only among European American children.
***These findings provide evidence that the link between physical
punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific.


"May be" is a long way from "the lack of spanking that has been shown,
repeatedly."

Once again the poster lies by manipulating context. And has done so for
years.

Not only does he do it, but when it's pointed out he asks, "what don't
you understand about [the snipped passage out of context," thus
compounding the lie.

A lie is any attempt to mislead.

Would you say the above was not a blatant attempt to mislead, making
claims NOT even referenced in his source?

No study proving the lack of spanking resulted in more aggression among
African American children was offered in support of his claim..though he
claims there is evidence "repeatedly" offered..........somewhere.

Not unlike krp recently, this poster simply dodged after making the claim.

"Who here believe" the poster?

Kane





On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

... spanking, of course.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/

Views September 8, 2006 Web Only
Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage
corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more
to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27
but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in
separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a
flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering
Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods.

In black communities across the United States, concerned people are
gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of
violence.

Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of
these gatherings: Stop spanking your children.

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal
punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem
the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of
physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or
controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social
dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including
the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological
Association and the National Association of Social Workers have
published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal
punishment of children.

International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment
is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program
to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation
of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication,
that according to a preponderance of research, it is also
?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.?

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all
corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have
followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia,
Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these
countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high
for a society that called itself civilized.

Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is
scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans.
But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the
black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of
using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a
professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written
extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of
corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.?

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they?re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn?t work.

There?s also the sheer injustice of imposing an act of physical violence
on someone smaller and weaker: As we?ve learned from U.S. foreign
policy, that never leads to positive outcomes.

Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor of In These Times, where he has worked
since 1983, and an op-ed columnist for the Chicago Tribune. He is
currently a Crime and Communities Media Fellow of the Open Society
Institute, examining the impact of ex-inmates and gang leaders in
leadership positions in the black community.

More information about Salim Muwakkil
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/13




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?

Doan


On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

When challenged to show proof for his claim, this is what he replied,
thus showing just who was actually doing what the challenger, myself,
was accused of doing;

Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted
and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth!

Doan

Answered to my challenge below:

Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim.

This is what has made Usenet a pointless exercise in fact finding and
reasoned discussion. This kind of blatant lying.

The poster made a claim, was asked to prove his claim, and danced away
with ad hom rather than do so.

One cannot debate a liar, who simply claims, by lying, the other person
lies.

No doubt he'll have some other clever lie to attempt, impotently, to
refute the truth about him.





0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read
the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know
that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with
lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community.

References:
Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers:
Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology,
32, 1065-1072.

Doan

Actually what was said, just as he lied using this method about Straus'
comments on Baumrind's Berkeley presentation, turns out to be
considerably more and considerably different in this example.

From the source...and you might notice no active link was provided so
we could check the veracity of the poster...you will find the following:

Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African-American and European-American
mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental
Psychology, 32, 1065-1072.

[[[ This is were the poster stopped, after making a claim that "Any one
who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American
should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were
associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of
spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher
misbehavior and agression[sic] in the Black community." I draw your
attention to the *** marked passage. ]]]

The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical
discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A
sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a
broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten
through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in
interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated
children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between
ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated
externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher
externalizing scores, but only among European American children.
***These findings provide evidence that the link between physical
punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific.


"May be" is a long way from "the lack of spanking that has been shown,
repeatedly."

Once again the poster lies by manipulating context. And has done so for
years.

Not only does he do it, but when it's pointed out he asks, "what don't
you understand about [the snipped passage out of context," thus
compounding the lie.

A lie is any attempt to mislead.

Would you say the above was not a blatant attempt to mislead, making
claims NOT even referenced in his source?

No study proving the lack of spanking resulted in more aggression among
African American children was offered in support of his claim..though he
claims there is evidence "repeatedly" offered..........somewhere.

Not unlike krp recently, this poster simply dodged after making the claim.

"Who here believe" the poster?

Kane





On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

... spanking, of course.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/

Views September 8, 2006 Web Only
Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage
corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more
to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27
but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in
separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a
flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering
Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods.

In black communities across the United States, concerned people are
gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of
violence.

Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of
these gatherings: Stop spanking your children.

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal
punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem
the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of
physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or
controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social
dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including
the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological
Association and the National Association of Social Workers have
published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal
punishment of children.

International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment
is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program
to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation
of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication,
that according to a preponderance of research, it is also
?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.?

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all
corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have
followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia,
Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these
countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high
for a society that called itself civilized.

Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is
scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans.
But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the
black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of
using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a
professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written
extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of
corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.?

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they?re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn?t work.

There?s also the sheer injustice of imposing an act of physical violence
on someone smaller and weaker: As we?ve learned from U.S. foreign
policy, that never leads to positive outcomes.

Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor of In These Times, where he has worked
since 1983, and an op-ed columnist for the Chicago Tribune. He is
currently a Crime and Communities Media Fellow of the Open Society
Institute, examining the impact of ex-inmates and gang leaders in
leadership positions in the black community.

More information about Salim Muwakkil
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/13




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

Doan wrote:
So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?

Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.

Doan

R E EE E RR R RR R....

What a ****ing nutcase you are Doan.

The public sector won't have you so you have to hide out in academia for
years so your family won't be embarassed at at how dishonest and sick
you've turned out.

R R R R R R R




On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

When challenged to show proof for his claim, this is what he replied,
thus showing just who was actually doing what the challenger, myself,
was accused of doing;

Hahaha! Once again, Kane demonstrated his stupidity in public! He twisted
and he turned; anything he can to avoid the truth!

Doan

Answered to my challenge below:

Not so, monkeyboy. Prove your claim.

This is what has made Usenet a pointless exercise in fact finding and
reasoned discussion. This kind of blatant lying.

The poster made a claim, was asked to prove his claim, and danced away
with ad hom rather than do so.

One cannot debate a liar, who simply claims, by lying, the other person
lies.

No doubt he'll have some other clever lie to attempt, impotently, to
refute the truth about him.





0:- wrote:
Doan wrote:
Hahaha! Kane is showing hist stupidity again. Any one who has read
the research on the effects of spanking on African American should know
that that, unlike white European American, spankings were associates with
lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community.

References:
Deater-Deckard, K., Bates, J.E., Dodge, K.A., Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African American and European American mothers:
Links to children?s externalizing behaviors. Developmental Psychology,
32, 1065-1072.

Doan
Actually what was said, just as he lied using this method about Straus'
comments on Baumrind's Berkeley presentation, turns out to be
considerably more and considerably different in this example.

From the source...and you might notice no active link was provided so
we could check the veracity of the poster...you will find the following:

Deater-Deckard, K., Dodge, K.A., Bates, J.E., & Pettit, G.S. (1996).
Physical discipline among African-American and European-American
mothers: Links to children's externalizing behaviors. Developmental
Psychology, 32, 1065-1072.

[[[ This is were the poster stopped, after making a claim that "Any one
who has read the research on the effects of spanking on African American
should know that that, unlike white European American, spankings were
associates with lesser misbehavior and aggression. It is the lack of
spanking that has been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher
misbehavior and agression[sic] in the Black community." I draw your
attention to the *** marked passage. ]]]

The aim of this study was to test whether the relation between physical
discipline and child aggression was moderated by ethnic-group status. A
sample of 466 European American and 100 African American children from a
broad range of socioeconomic levels were followed from kindergarten
through 3rd grade. Mothers reported their use of physical discipline in
interviews and questionnaires, and mothers, teachers, and peers rated
children's externalizing problems annually. The interaction between
ethnic status and discipline was significant for teacher- and peer-rated
externalizing scores; physical discipline was associated with higher
externalizing scores, but only among European American children.
***These findings provide evidence that the link between physical
punishment and child aggression may be culturally specific.


"May be" is a long way from "the lack of spanking that has been shown,
repeatedly."

Once again the poster lies by manipulating context. And has done so for
years.

Not only does he do it, but when it's pointed out he asks, "what don't
you understand about [the snipped passage out of context," thus
compounding the lie.

A lie is any attempt to mislead.

Would you say the above was not a blatant attempt to mislead, making
claims NOT even referenced in his source?

No study proving the lack of spanking resulted in more aggression among
African American children was offered in support of his claim..though he
claims there is evidence "repeatedly" offered..........somewhere.

Not unlike krp recently, this poster simply dodged after making the claim.

"Who here believe" the poster?

Kane




On Sat, 9 Sep 2006, 0:- wrote:

... spanking, of course.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2812/

Views September 8, 2006 Web Only
Corporal Punishment?s Hidden Costs
By Salim Muwakkil

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage
corporal punishment among African Americans, I believe it would do more
to stem the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

An errant bullet hit the eye of a 12-year-old Chicago girl on August 27
but she survived. Earlier this year, stray bullets killed two girls in
separate incidents in the city?s Englewood neighborhood and triggered a
flurry of activity designed to address the chronic violence hammering
Chicago?s inner-city neighborhoods.

In black communities across the United States, concerned people are
gathering with increasing urgency, seeking solutions to rising rates of
violence.

Let me add one suggestion that is not likely to be raised at any of
these gatherings: Stop spanking your children.

If the civil rights community began a movement to discourage corporal
punishment among African-Americans, I believe it would do more to stem
the tide of interpersonal violence than any other strategy.

Experts are increasingly fingering corporal punishment?the infliction of
physical pain on the body of a child for purposes of punishment or
controlling behavior?as the culprit in a wide variety of social
dysfunctions. A host of relevant professional organizations, including
the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological
Association and the National Association of Social Workers have
published position papers opposing or strongly discouraging corporal
punishment of children.

International research on the deleterious effects of physical punishment
is so compelling that the United Nations has initiated a global program
to eliminate it. Not only is corporal punishment of children a violation
of human rights, the United Nations argued in a 2005 UNESCO publication,
that according to a preponderance of research, it is also
?counterproductive, relatively ineffective, dangerous and harmful.?

In 1979, Sweden became the first country in the world to ban all
corporal punishment of children. Twelve more European countries have
followed: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Austria, Cyprus, Italy, Croatia,
Latvia, Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine and Iceland. Leaders in these
countries concluded that the costs of corporal punishment were too high
for a society that called itself civilized.

Despite this wide consensus on the ills of corporal punishment, there is
scant sentiment for an anti-spanking movement among African Americans.
But that may be changing. Growing numbers of experts who focus on the
black community, are also raising questions about the high costs of
using physical violence to punish children. Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a
professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School who has written
extensively on African-American issues, has long opposed the use of
corporal punishment.

His major argument is simple: ?the use of corporal punishment teaches
children that violence is the way to solve problems.? Poussaint, who was
an adviser to the popular program ?The Cosby Show,? says corporal
punishment also has other harmful effects on the social life of the
black community.

At a recent forum on young black men, sponsored by the Washington Post
and the Kaiser Family Foundation, Poussaint fingered corporal punishment
as a factor in the disproportionate expulsions of black children from
pre-school programs, especially males. He said his research has found
that even preschool black males harbor a lot of anger.

?There?s an overuse of beating kids,? he said, breaking a major taboo
among black leadership by raising this issue. ?So that you have 80
percent of black parents believing you should beat them?beat the devil
out of them. And research shows the more you beat them, the angrier they
get.?

High levels of violent crime in black communities certainly reflect that
anger. According to figures from the Department of Justice?s Bureau of
Justice Statistics, African Americans were more likely than other
Americans to be both victims and perpetrators of violent crime.

In 2000, blacks were six times more likely than whites to be victims of
murder. They also were seven times more likely to be perpetrators. In
fact, for the last half-century blacks were homicide victims at least
five times more than whites were. Sometimes that rate reached more than
ten times the white rate.

Among the major reasons cited for this disparity are poverty,
segregation, media violence and the self-hatred inculcated by a white
supremacist culture. Some argue the problem is simply one of bad
behavior, abetted by black communities that deemphasize personal
responsibility and cultural standards.

There is a bit of truth in those explanations, but Poussaint?s
anti-spanking reasoning also makes sense. What doesn?t make sense is
that black leaders have yet to make the connection between high rates of
corporal punishment and high rates of interpersonal violence.

One reason for this reticence is the influence of the church. All
spanking advocates need to do is cite a biblical justification not to
spare the rod and for far too many, the case is closed. Also, many
African-American parents argue they must discipline their children
harshly to prepare them better for the racist treatment they?re sure to
receive in the Untied States.

But Poussaint said his research found that 80 to 90 percent of black
prison inmates were severely punished or neglected as children. It
doesn?t work.

There?s also the sheer injustice of imposing an act of physical violence
on someone smaller and weaker: As we?ve learned from U.S. foreign
policy, that never leads to positive outcomes.

Salim Muwakkil is a senior editor of In These Times, where he has worked
since 1983, and an op-ed columnist for the Chicago Tribune. He is
currently a Crime and Communities Media Fellow of the Open Society
Institute, examining the impact of ex-inmates and gang leaders in
leadership positions in the black community.

More information about Salim Muwakkil
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/about/author/13




--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin (or someone else)

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.

Hihihi! Am I still on you "do-not-reply" list, Kane? Your mom taught
you well! You just exposed yourself, again, as a STUPID liar! Is that
an example of how a "never-spanked" kid turned out, Kane?

Doan

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?
Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.
Doan
R E EE E RR R RR R....

What a ****ing nutcase you are Doan.

The public sector won't have you so you have to hide out in academia for
years so your family won't be embarassed at at how dishonest and sick
you've turned out.

R R R R R R R

With post like this, no wonder Ron has so much RESPECT for you! ;-)

Your problem is that you think that everything is a lie, but what YOU post.

That's your sickness, little boy.

So if someone, like you Kane, claimed that he does not read my posts, has
me on his "do-not-reply" list, and yet, still replied to my posts, what
would you call such a person, Kane? I think a STUPID LIAR is very
appropriate! Don't you think so, Kane? ;-)

Doan

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?
Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.
Doan
R E EE E RR R RR R....

What a ****ing nutcase you are Doan.

The public sector won't have you so you have to hide out in academia for
years so your family won't be embarassed at at how dishonest and sick
you've turned out.

R R R R R R R

With post like this, no wonder Ron has so much RESPECT for you! ;-)
Your problem is that you think that everything is a lie, but what YOU post.

That's your sickness, little boy.

So if someone, like you Kane, claimed that he does not read my posts, has
me on his "do-not-reply" list, and yet, still replied to my posts, what
would you call such a person, Kane?

Some one so alarmed at how ****ing sick you are that he changed his
mind, Doan.

As simple as that.

Silly assed debate between us is NOT the issue, nutcase.

It's that you ****ing lie lie lie and call others liars, when the
evidence of your lie is on the monitor right in front of your face and
you deny it, or run, like this, from it.

It's not about my reading or not reading your posts you ****ing insance
**** spewer.

It's that you'd continue to defend a blantant lie by omission with it
staring you in the face that you lied.

Straus didn't ONLY say that Baumrind's study was excellent. HE SAID
"BUT" Doan, which means that 'excellent" it was NOT.

You ahve done the same thing for years, getting wilder and more obvious
as time passes with your shrinking away from the facts when presented
back to your from your own posts, and from the sources you pull pieces
from to LIE, to MISLEAD.

This isn't about "spanking," you ****ing fool. It's about YOU throwing
your life away by cultivating your delusional thinking until it's become
out of your control.

Go on, Doan.

Tell us, right here and now, publicly that, "lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community."

In the face of your own source that said something very very different,
with the qualifiers 'may be.'

You don't SEE what that kind of delusional thinking means, Doan? They
did NOT support you. Nor did you come back with PROOF when I asked you
to support that claim.

Man, your mind is ****ED.

Do YOU, a little self absorbed babbling ****ant sitting for hours in a
tech center at USC every day, dreaming up elaborate lies about corporal
punishment research, really want to put yourself up against a giant like
that ALVIN POUSSAINT, and make YOUR claim of the lack of spanking
resulting in More aggression in black children when he says, "No one
knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You
should avoid using physical force on your child?"

When I say you are out of your ****ign mind, Doan I REALLY MEAN IT.

Do you really want to put a lie in the mouth of Dr. Straus, someone
you aren't fit to walk in the shadow of, let alone defy the research of,
by claiming he fully believed that Baumrinds presentation represented
ONLY excellent research, and as YOU claim, "the best study by far " when
Straus actually said and more fully qualified the small part of his
statement you quoted:

Straus:
" I said that her study is excellent, but despite that there are clear
reasons for not accepting her conclusions:"


Does THAT look to you like he's saying it's the best study by FAR?

One that has clear reason it's conclusions cannot be accepted?

Any reason I would NOT think you insane, Doan?

You are out of your ****ing mind if you think he conclusively considered
her study the best by far.

These little hedging dodges you use to make claims PROVES you are either
terminally immoral, or just out of your ****ing mind.

I'd like to think it just mental illness, Doan. That often can be fixed.

Those with moral dysfunctions are the most difficult and recalcirant to
work with.

Which is it, stupid?

I think a STUPID LIAR is very
appropriate! Don't you think so, Kane? ;-)

The problem, Doan is that you are so lost in that kind of thinking I
just exposed that your judgment is by default INCORRECT. A self delusion.

WE aren't buying into YOUR delusions.


Doan


Seriously. Go talk to a shrink. You could tip over the edge at any time.
I think you are too isolated and have no one to live, real, close up, to
clue you in that you are losing it and have been for years.

You'd be the last to know, if you don't wake up NOW and do something
proactive to stop your delusional thinking.


Best wishes.

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?
Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.
Doan
R E EE E RR R RR R....

What a ****ing nutcase you are Doan.

The public sector won't have you so you have to hide out in academia for
years so your family won't be embarassed at at how dishonest and sick
you've turned out.

R R R R R R R

With post like this, no wonder Ron has so much RESPECT for you! ;-)
Your problem is that you think that everything is a lie, but what YOU post.

That's your sickness, little boy.

So if someone, like you Kane, claimed that he does not read my posts, has
me on his "do-not-reply" list, and yet, still replied to my posts, what
would you call such a person, Kane? I think a STUPID LIAR is very
appropriate! Don't you think so, Kane? ;-)

Doan

Every response to me so far, Doan, has turned away from facing that your
thinking was full of error. That neither Straus or the other reseachers
actually said, in full context, what you claim they said and meant.

Doan, that's dangerous thinking in the mental health context.

It's akin to claiming that a car coming down the street is of no danger,
when in fact there's ****ING BUS DOING 50 AND ONLY 20 FEET AWAY.

JUMP, boy, jump.

Straus didn't say that, and the researchers on the black community and
spanking didn't say what you claimed.

And many more fantastic delusional pontifications from on high that you
have spewed are not more true that your babbling about these.

Get HELP.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, 0:- wrote:

Doan wrote:
So much for the claim that I am on Kane's "do-not-reply" list and he
doesn't read my posts! How STUPID can this Kane be?
Can't handle the challenge of the actual issue, I see, as usual, you
cock sucking little asshole ****er and mother's **** sucker.
Doan
R E EE E RR R RR R....

What a ****ing nutcase you are Doan.

The public sector won't have you so you have to hide out in academia for
years so your family won't be embarassed at at how dishonest and sick
you've turned out.

R R R R R R R

With post like this, no wonder Ron has so much RESPECT for you! ;-)
Your problem is that you think that everything is a lie, but what YOU post.

That's your sickness, little boy.

So if someone, like you Kane, claimed that he does not read my posts, has
me on his "do-not-reply" list, and yet, still replied to my posts, what
would you call such a person, Kane?

Some one so alarmed at how ****ing sick you are that he changed his
mind, Doan.

Hahaha! No, Kane. You are a PROVEN LIAR!

As simple as that.

Silly assed debate between us is NOT the issue, nutcase.

There is no debate between us, Kane. It just your exposing your STUPIDITY
and me having fun at your expense! ;-)

It's that you ****ing lie lie lie and call others liars, when the
evidence of your lie is on the monitor right in front of your face and
you deny it, or run, like this, from it.

Calling other people liars without proof is your M.O. I don't call
other people liar withou proof. I just PROVED that you are a LIAR, again!

It's not about my reading or not reading your posts you ****ing insance
**** spewer.

Ooops! More "****" coming out of your mouth! ;-)

It's that you'd continue to defend a blantant lie by omission with it
staring you in the face that you lied.

Straus didn't ONLY say that Baumrind's study was excellent. HE SAID
"BUT" Doan, which means that 'excellent" it was NOT.

Hahaha! You are such a STUPID LIAR! He said "BUT DESPIT THAT" which
means it was "excellent", STUPID!

Straus:
" I said that her study is excellent, but despite that there are clear
reasons for not accepting her conclusions:"

You ahve done the same thing for years, getting wilder and more obvious
as time passes with your shrinking away from the facts when presented
back to your from your own posts, and from the sources you pull pieces
from to LIE, to MISLEAD.

Hihihi! I just PROVED again, the LIAR is you!

This isn't about "spanking," you ****ing fool. It's about YOU throwing
your life away by cultivating your delusional thinking until it's become
out of your control.

Hihihi! It's about me having fun at your expense, Kane. BECAUSE YOU ARE
JUST TOO STUPID!

Go on, Doan.

Hihihi! Hahaha!

Tell us, right here and now, publicly that, "lack of spanking that has
been shown, repeatedly, to be associates with higher misbehavior and
agression in the Black community."

Yup! Read the studies, STUPID! Even email Chris Dunga and asked him!
I DARE YOU! I DOUBLE DARE YOU! Hihihi!

In the face of your own source that said something very very different,
with the qualifiers 'may be.'

Hihihi! ARE YOU THIS STUPID?

You don't SEE what that kind of delusional thinking means, Doan? They
did NOT support you. Nor did you come back with PROOF when I asked you
to support that claim.

Hihihi! YOU ARE THIS STUPID!

Man, your mind is ****ED.

Do YOU, a little self absorbed babbling ****ant sitting for hours in a
tech center at USC every day, dreaming up elaborate lies about corporal
punishment research, really want to put yourself up against a giant like
that ALVIN POUSSAINT, and make YOUR claim of the lack of spanking
resulting in More aggression in black children when he says, "No one
knew 30 years ago how traumatic spanking was to a child's psyche. You
should avoid using physical force on your child?"

Hihihi! You know ALVIN POUSSANT? Or is this another one of your STUPID
attempt of harassing me?

When I say you are out of your ****ign mind, Doan I REALLY MEAN IT.

Hihihi! When I say that YOU ARE STUPID, Kane I REALLY MEAN IT. First
I thought Chris Dunga was only mad when he called you STUPID. You proved
him right days after days!

Do you really want to put a lie in the mouth of Dr. Straus, someone
you aren't fit to walk in the shadow of, let alone defy the research of,
by claiming he fully believed that Baumrinds presentation represented
ONLY excellent research, and as YOU claim, "the best study by far " when
Straus actually said and more fully qualified the small part of his
statement you quoted:

Straus:
" I said that her study is excellent, but despite that there are clear
reasons for not accepting her conclusions:"

Which part of that sentence don't you understand, Kane?


Does THAT look to you like he's saying it's the best study by FAR?

Yes! Which part of "excellent" don't you understand?

One that has clear reason it's conclusions cannot be accepted?

Any reason I would NOT think you insane, Doan?

Any reason I would NOT think you are STUPID, Kane? ;-)

You are out of your ****ing mind if you think he conclusively considered
her study the best by far.

And you STUPID if you think it was not "excellent"!

These little hedging dodges you use to make claims PROVES you are either
terminally immoral, or just out of your ****ing mind.

And it PROVED that you are just STUPID, Kane. Now you know why I laughed
at you when you claimed you are a published researcher?

I'd like to think it just mental illness, Doan. That often can be fixed.

Those with moral dysfunctions are the most difficult and recalcirant to
work with.

Which is it, stupid?

You have proven yourself to be STUPID! ;-)

I think a STUPID LIAR is very
appropriate! Don't you think so, Kane? ;-)

The problem, Doan is that you are so lost in that kind of thinking I
just exposed that your judgment is by default INCORRECT. A self delusion.

WE aren't buying into YOUR delusions.

Anyone here believes Kane? ;-)


Doan


Seriously. Go talk to a shrink. You could tip over the edge at any time.
I think you are too isolated and have no one to live, real, close up, to
clue you in that you are losing it and have been for years.

Hihihi!

You'd be the last to know, if you don't wake up NOW and do something
proactive to stop your delusional thinking.

I cannot fix your STUPIDITY! ;-)

Best wishes.

Same to you, Kane! ;-)