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Lawyers - beware!
I was having issues with parenting time and followed the advice I got
from this group to get a lawyer to get specific parenting time ordered. I found one that kept putting off our initial meeting. I decided I better find someone different. The new lawyer seemed like a real good guy. He's been doing family law for decades. I figured that this was one time I didn't want to skimp so I hired him. I gave him the details of my case and we came up with a plan to put into a motion. When I went to pick it up, I was floored. It looked like something a 12 year old might have written. It was full of mistakes. I called up and pointed out some of the more glaring ones. The motion was only vaguely similar to what we agreed on. He took everything I told him and put the ex in the worst possible light. I figured that this was part of his strategy. Since our date is drawing near, I called him up to find out what to do. After giving me a lecture on how costly his time was, he realized that the referee he thought was on the case was not the same as on the motion. The only reason I hired him was so that I wouldn't make these kinds of mistakes myself! I'm feeling sick to my stomach....I now have an ex that is extremely ****ed off, I have to back up statements that are true but unprovable and really stretching it, and I have an attorney that is more interested in the quantity of cases instead of the quality. I feel like I'm in a worse spot now than when I started! He still isn't sure who is hearing the case. Now I don't know what to do. I don't want to roll the dice on another attorney since the money is running out. I've been told it is a rubber stamp decision that I'll get SOME time so should I just ride this out or what? I'm afraid that this guy will hurt my chances. Any ideas? |
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"Tim" wrote in message ... I was having issues with parenting time and followed the advice I got from this group to get a lawyer to get specific parenting time ordered. I found one that kept putting off our initial meeting. I decided I better find someone different. The new lawyer seemed like a real good guy. He's been doing family law for decades. I figured that this was one time I didn't want to skimp so I hired him. I gave him the details of my case and we came up with a plan to put into a motion. When I went to pick it up, I was floored. It looked like something a 12 year old might have written. It was full of mistakes. I called up and pointed out some of the more glaring ones. The motion was only vaguely similar to what we agreed on. He took everything I told him and put the ex in the worst possible light. I figured that this was part of his strategy. Since our date is drawing near, I called him up to find out what to do. After giving me a lecture on how costly his time was, he realized that the referee he thought was on the case was not the same as on the motion. The only reason I hired him was so that I wouldn't make these kinds of mistakes myself! I'm feeling sick to my stomach....I now have an ex that is extremely ****ed off, I have to back up statements that are true but unprovable and really stretching it, and I have an attorney that is more interested in the quantity of cases instead of the quality. I feel like I'm in a worse spot now than when I started! He still isn't sure who is hearing the case. Now I don't know what to do. I don't want to roll the dice on another attorney since the money is running out. I've been told it is a rubber stamp decision that I'll get SOME time so should I just ride this out or what? I'm afraid that this guy will hurt my chances. Any ideas? If your state is anything like my state, you don't know which judge has been assigned to your case until "morning call" on the day the trail is scheduled. If the trial is re-scheduled a new judge will be re-assigned on the same date the continuance is heard. Lawyers don't know who the decision maker will be in advance. I'm not defending them - Just pointing out the wild card issue they have to deal with in representing you. |
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Tim wrote:
Now I don't know what to do. I don't want to roll the dice on another attorney since the money is running out. I've been told it is a rubber stamp decision that I'll get SOME time so should I just ride this out or what? I'm afraid that this guy will hurt my chances. Any ideas? You can leave it alone and just let it happen. Downsides, the ex will be annoyed with the additional (unprovable) whacks and the judge won't like it much either although they hear it all the time. I doubt it will affect your outcome (although I don't know the history). Or you could fire the attorney and resubmit motions representing yourself. I do understand why people are reluctant to try to represent themselves during the divorce trial they are in shock and it is a short but steep learning curve. But I don't understand why so many men think they are better off being represented when they submit or respond to motions. Don in MA |
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wrote in I don't understand why so many men think they are better off being represented when they submit or respond to motions. We are not trained in law matters and that constant phrase, "Only a fool defends himself" is a mantra constantly cited to laymen by the law profession so that even the bottom feeders of the law profession can succeed by taking advantage of our obvious ignorance in these matters. Much like the tax & corparate laws, how is a layman supposed to decipher confusing law jargon? The way all court rooms are conducted these days, most cases are put into the express lane and defendants are told to accept plea bargains or one sided contracts or face dire consequences if a full trial is forced to take place. The American court system is not about fairness, honesty or justice, it's about processing cases in the most convenient way for the court, unless you have real money to buy justice. Understand that these lawyers know before hand what procedures are rubber stamped and already know the outcome of your requests. Before you hand them any money, ask them what exactly they can do for you in terms of meeting your expectations. They should explain the reality of your expectations and the theory of how he is going to address your issues to the court. Any Lawyer that doesn't give you a realistic view of what you are asking from the court, is just going to go thru the motions to string you along for a large bill at the end of a failed or disapointing result. In short, a lawyer worth his salt will know exactly how to address your issue and there should be no surprizes in the court. You're paying these guys big bucks because they are supposed to know there stuff, don't let them bull**** you with the judge preference routine. They'll always blame their failure on the wrong judge for that day. What a crock! |
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On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:46:39 GMT, "Dale"
wrote: wrote in I don't understand why so many men think they are better off being represented when they submit or respond to motions. We are not trained in law matters and that constant phrase, "Only a fool defends himself" is a mantra constantly cited to laymen by the law profession so that even the bottom feeders of the law profession can succeed by taking advantage of our obvious ignorance in these matters. Much like the tax & corparate laws, how is a layman supposed to decipher confusing law jargon? This is exactly why I wanted to use a lawyer. The only other contact I've had with the legal system was when they stuck me with the child support and $5000 worth of medical bills. The way all court rooms are conducted these days, most cases are put into the express lane and defendants are told to accept plea bargains or one sided contracts or face dire consequences if a full trial is forced to take place. The American court system is not about fairness, honesty or justice, it's about processing cases in the most convenient way for the court, unless you have real money to buy justice. I noticed the same thing about criminal trials. Justice is an excuse to be there so they can see who wins the game that day. Understand that these lawyers know before hand what procedures are rubber stamped and already know the outcome of your requests. Before you hand them any money, ask them what exactly they can do for you in terms of meeting your expectations. They should explain the reality of your expectations and the theory of how he is going to address your issues to the court. Any Lawyer that doesn't give you a realistic view of what you are asking from the court, is just going to go thru the motions to string you along for a large bill at the end of a failed or disapointing result. In short, a lawyer worth his salt will know exactly how to address your issue and there should be no surprizes in the court. You're paying these guys big bucks because they are supposed to know there stuff, don't let them bull**** you with the judge preference routine. They'll always blame their failure on the wrong judge for that day. What a crock! My lawyer is getting all cozy with the lawyer from the other side saying he can work with her well. WTF? I want you to go in, get the order, and get out. He has already decided to drag this out due to a fact that I told him at the start. The other lawyer told him the same thing and now he's acting as if it's news to him! Of course he had me agree that he could charge another 30 minutes of phone consultation for that. I have the feeling that I better grab the vaseline and hang on. |
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"Tim" wrote in My lawyer is getting all cozy with the lawyer from the other side saying he can work with her well. WTF? I want you to go in, get the order, and get out. He has already decided to drag this out due to a fact that I told him at the start. The other lawyer told him the same thing and now he's acting as if it's news to him! Of course he had me agree that he could charge another 30 minutes of phone consultation for that. I have the feeling that I better grab the vaseline and hang on. Now you have the picture, it's all a legal racket that is designed to maximize billable hours. The Lawyers know all too well what the outcome will be. Their only real concern is to make sure that you can pay their fee. You are nothing more than just another paying account, I would be surprised if the they even knew yrou name 3 months from now! LOL IN short, the whole family court system is nothing more than a formality to get you signed up on the government extortion program. Might as well get in line with all those folks that bought a house with paying interest only mortgages, they are about to get severely screwed too! Screwing people has become the American way! |
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I believe most attorneys in the same profession try to be nice to one
another, it is a political issue. They don't have to like each other, but they may have to work either for or against each other some time later on, so be nice to one another. My ex's attorney decided not to follow that little rule and it, quite frankly, has very much perplexed my attorneys. Something they weren't used to nor were expecting. It is beginning to work against him however as my attorneys have caught on and gotten used to his poor attitude. Admittingly, I was actually quite nervous about my attorney and his attempt to try to 'be nice' and had strong suspicions of him as a result. I also noticed my attorney at first appeared to try and take a 'minimize the damage' approach. Even though at first things seemed right rocky, I am actually much more comfortable with the fact that the attorneys are not getting along, the opposing attorney's tactics to make me look like a monster are getting old, and my attorneys are now more on the offense. I think I may have a chance now. In any case, if you want to avoid politicalness in the court arena, it may be necessary to find an attorney in another town. He'll charge you more, but he'll have less politicalness to work around. "Tim" wrote in message ... On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:46:39 GMT, "Dale" wrote: wrote in I don't understand why so many men think they are better off being represented when they submit or respond to motions. We are not trained in law matters and that constant phrase, "Only a fool defends himself" is a mantra constantly cited to laymen by the law profession so that even the bottom feeders of the law profession can succeed by taking advantage of our obvious ignorance in these matters. Much like the tax & corparate laws, how is a layman supposed to decipher confusing law jargon? This is exactly why I wanted to use a lawyer. The only other contact I've had with the legal system was when they stuck me with the child support and $5000 worth of medical bills. The way all court rooms are conducted these days, most cases are put into the express lane and defendants are told to accept plea bargains or one sided contracts or face dire consequences if a full trial is forced to take place. The American court system is not about fairness, honesty or justice, it's about processing cases in the most convenient way for the court, unless you have real money to buy justice. I noticed the same thing about criminal trials. Justice is an excuse to be there so they can see who wins the game that day. Understand that these lawyers know before hand what procedures are rubber stamped and already know the outcome of your requests. Before you hand them any money, ask them what exactly they can do for you in terms of meeting your expectations. They should explain the reality of your expectations and the theory of how he is going to address your issues to the court. Any Lawyer that doesn't give you a realistic view of what you are asking from the court, is just going to go thru the motions to string you along for a large bill at the end of a failed or disapointing result. In short, a lawyer worth his salt will know exactly how to address your issue and there should be no surprizes in the court. You're paying these guys big bucks because they are supposed to know there stuff, don't let them bull**** you with the judge preference routine. They'll always blame their failure on the wrong judge for that day. What a crock! My lawyer is getting all cozy with the lawyer from the other side saying he can work with her well. WTF? I want you to go in, get the order, and get out. He has already decided to drag this out due to a fact that I told him at the start. The other lawyer told him the same thing and now he's acting as if it's news to him! Of course he had me agree that he could charge another 30 minutes of phone consultation for that. I have the feeling that I better grab the vaseline and hang on. -- The Source For Premium Newsgroup Access Great Speed, Great Retention 1 GB/Day for only $8.95 |
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