Michigan's Mike Cox is at it again - Warrants issued for child support

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
[snip]
I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm


Good question. Perhaps we should expect *both* parents to support their kids
for a change.
Phil #3


Dusty wrote:
Warrants seek child support
County, attorney general go after 27 people who owe payments

By ANGELA MULLINS

http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/s...ws/281840.html


The St. Clair County prosecutor's office, working with the state
attorney
general, issued felony arrest warrants Thursday for 27 people who owe
child
support.

The warrants -- issued for 26 men and one woman -- represent a combined
$1.6
million of the more than $64 million in child support owed in St. Clair
County.

The warrants, announced at an afternoon news conference with state
Attorney
General Mike Cox, carry a maximum penalty of four years in prison. Some
people will face possibly stiffer penalties because they are charged as
habitual offenders.

Officials said more warrants will be issued as soon as part of a
reinforced
effort to collect unpaid child support.

"All these parents have had a chance to pay, all these parents have had
the
ability to pay," Cox said at the news conference.

"Today's kickoff is the first step in a long-term campaign I know we
will
win."

The 27 people for whom arrest warrants were issued Thursday were chosen
partly because credit checks have shown they have the ability to pay.
They
owe money in amounts ranging from $13,000 to more than $100,000, and all
have been delinquent with payments for at least a year.

Dora Krumenaker of Port Huron said her ex-husband's name wasn't on the
list,
but she supports the effort.

Krumenaker said she is owed about $8,000 in child support.

"He never pays until we go before the judge," Krumenaker said. "They
need to
crack down."

County officials, including Friend of the Court investigators and staff,
will work with state investigators to identify more people for whom
warrants
should be issued.

Among those accompanying Cox on Thursday were St. Clair County Friend of
the
Court Susan Borovich and Senior Assistant Prosecutor Joseph McCarthy
Jr.,
who is running for county prosecutor.

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Yupper, that's the answer, arrest people for owing extortion money.

Of course, let's not ask the "debtors" about what's happening to them or
why
they did what they did (much less find out if they even have the cash
demanded of them) - just the nit-wits that want to be re-elected.

Hummm... let's play a math game shall we? 1.6 million divided by 27
"debtors" equals an average of $59,259.26 per person.

I wonder how much of that is actual CS and how much is really state
"fees,
penalties and interest"...

Of course the article states that MI went after those that "..have the
ability to pay..". Gee, does this mean that if any of them are working
at
minimum wage it rates as an "ability to pay"? Never mind if any of them
are
living in their cars (if they have them) or homeless shelters, low rate,
flea-bag apartments or cardboard boxes. Just go after the cash.
Screw'em
if it means they can't eat or see their kids; keep a roof over their
heads;
gas in the car to get to work (or to get to their kids). Just take the
money from them.

I wonder if there's a provision in those warrants to be sure to kick
them in
the balls when the cops take their wallets...

Now, don't take me to say that it's OK to not help your kids. I'm not
saying that at all. If these guys got behind for legitimate reasons
(lose
of work, poor health, etc..) and the courts ignored their pleas for a
reduction (bear in mind that the Bradley amendment prevents courts from
reducing CS for practically any reason), then I say get off their backs.

But if they are the "deadbeats" the media is so fond of shoving down our
throats, then they should pay up - but not to the extent that it
bankrupts
them and places them in the poor house. That wouldn't be in the "best
interest of the child" now would it?

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
[snip]
I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm


Good question. Perhaps we should expect *both* parents to support their kids
for a change.
Phil #3


Dusty wrote:
Warrants seek child support
County, attorney general go after 27 people who owe payments

By ANGELA MULLINS

http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/s...ws/281840.html


The St. Clair County prosecutor's office, working with the state
attorney
general, issued felony arrest warrants Thursday for 27 people who owe
child
support.

The warrants -- issued for 26 men and one woman -- represent a combined
$1.6
million of the more than $64 million in child support owed in St. Clair
County.

The warrants, announced at an afternoon news conference with state
Attorney
General Mike Cox, carry a maximum penalty of four years in prison. Some
people will face possibly stiffer penalties because they are charged as
habitual offenders.

Officials said more warrants will be issued as soon as part of a
reinforced
effort to collect unpaid child support.

"All these parents have had a chance to pay, all these parents have had
the
ability to pay," Cox said at the news conference.

"Today's kickoff is the first step in a long-term campaign I know we
will
win."

The 27 people for whom arrest warrants were issued Thursday were chosen
partly because credit checks have shown they have the ability to pay.
They
owe money in amounts ranging from $13,000 to more than $100,000, and all
have been delinquent with payments for at least a year.

Dora Krumenaker of Port Huron said her ex-husband's name wasn't on the
list,
but she supports the effort.

Krumenaker said she is owed about $8,000 in child support.

"He never pays until we go before the judge," Krumenaker said. "They
need to
crack down."

County officials, including Friend of the Court investigators and staff,
will work with state investigators to identify more people for whom
warrants
should be issued.

Among those accompanying Cox on Thursday were St. Clair County Friend of
the
Court Susan Borovich and Senior Assistant Prosecutor Joseph McCarthy
Jr.,
who is running for county prosecutor.

------------------------------------------------------------
Yupper, that's the answer, arrest people for owing extortion money.

Of course, let's not ask the "debtors" about what's happening to them or
why
they did what they did (much less find out if they even have the cash
demanded of them) - just the nit-wits that want to be re-elected.

Hummm... let's play a math game shall we? 1.6 million divided by 27
"debtors" equals an average of $59,259.26 per person.

I wonder how much of that is actual CS and how much is really state
"fees,
penalties and interest"...

Of course the article states that MI went after those that "..have the
ability to pay..". Gee, does this mean that if any of them are working
at
minimum wage it rates as an "ability to pay"? Never mind if any of them
are
living in their cars (if they have them) or homeless shelters, low rate,
flea-bag apartments or cardboard boxes. Just go after the cash.
Screw'em
if it means they can't eat or see their kids; keep a roof over their
heads;
gas in the car to get to work (or to get to their kids). Just take the
money from them.

I wonder if there's a provision in those warrants to be sure to kick
them in
the balls when the cops take their wallets...

Now, don't take me to say that it's OK to not help your kids. I'm not
saying that at all. If these guys got behind for legitimate reasons
(lose
of work, poor health, etc..) and the courts ignored their pleas for a
reduction (bear in mind that the Bradley amendment prevents courts from
reducing CS for practically any reason), then I say get off their backs.

But if they are the "deadbeats" the media is so fond of shoving down our
throats, then they should pay up - but not to the extent that it
bankrupts
them and places them in the poor house. That wouldn't be in the "best
interest of the child" now would it?

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
[snip]
I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm


Good question. Perhaps we should expect *both* parents to support their kids
for a change.
Phil #3


Dusty wrote:
Warrants seek child support
County, attorney general go after 27 people who owe payments

By ANGELA MULLINS

http://www.thetimesherald.com/news/s...ws/281840.html


The St. Clair County prosecutor's office, working with the state
attorney
general, issued felony arrest warrants Thursday for 27 people who owe
child
support.

The warrants -- issued for 26 men and one woman -- represent a combined
$1.6
million of the more than $64 million in child support owed in St. Clair
County.

The warrants, announced at an afternoon news conference with state
Attorney
General Mike Cox, carry a maximum penalty of four years in prison. Some
people will face possibly stiffer penalties because they are charged as
habitual offenders.

Officials said more warrants will be issued as soon as part of a
reinforced
effort to collect unpaid child support.

"All these parents have had a chance to pay, all these parents have had
the
ability to pay," Cox said at the news conference.

"Today's kickoff is the first step in a long-term campaign I know we
will
win."

The 27 people for whom arrest warrants were issued Thursday were chosen
partly because credit checks have shown they have the ability to pay.
They
owe money in amounts ranging from $13,000 to more than $100,000, and all
have been delinquent with payments for at least a year.

Dora Krumenaker of Port Huron said her ex-husband's name wasn't on the
list,
but she supports the effort.

Krumenaker said she is owed about $8,000 in child support.

"He never pays until we go before the judge," Krumenaker said. "They
need to
crack down."

County officials, including Friend of the Court investigators and staff,
will work with state investigators to identify more people for whom
warrants
should be issued.

Among those accompanying Cox on Thursday were St. Clair County Friend of
the
Court Susan Borovich and Senior Assistant Prosecutor Joseph McCarthy
Jr.,
who is running for county prosecutor.

------------------------------------------------------------
Yupper, that's the answer, arrest people for owing extortion money.

Of course, let's not ask the "debtors" about what's happening to them or
why
they did what they did (much less find out if they even have the cash
demanded of them) - just the nit-wits that want to be re-elected.

Hummm... let's play a math game shall we? 1.6 million divided by 27
"debtors" equals an average of $59,259.26 per person.

I wonder how much of that is actual CS and how much is really state
"fees,
penalties and interest"...

Of course the article states that MI went after those that "..have the
ability to pay..". Gee, does this mean that if any of them are working
at
minimum wage it rates as an "ability to pay"? Never mind if any of them
are
living in their cars (if they have them) or homeless shelters, low rate,
flea-bag apartments or cardboard boxes. Just go after the cash.
Screw'em
if it means they can't eat or see their kids; keep a roof over their
heads;
gas in the car to get to work (or to get to their kids). Just take the
money from them.

I wonder if there's a provision in those warrants to be sure to kick
them in
the balls when the cops take their wallets...

Now, don't take me to say that it's OK to not help your kids. I'm not
saying that at all. If these guys got behind for legitimate reasons
(lose
of work, poor health, etc..) and the courts ignored their pleas for a
reduction (bear in mind that the Bradley amendment prevents courts from
reducing CS for practically any reason), then I say get off their backs.

But if they are the "deadbeats" the media is so fond of shoving down our
throats, then they should pay up - but not to the extent that it
bankrupts
them and places them in the poor house. That wouldn't be in the "best
interest of the child" now would it?

"Zimm" wrote in message
...

Funny how your assumptions are always that the poor deadbeats are all
living in squaller and have minimum wage jobs? What if they arent?
What if they own a yacht, are self employed and just a being a low-life
slug? Is it ok then?

I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm

No, not my assumption, just stating the fact that the majority of NCP
parents that aren't paying CS is because they can't pay the court ordered
extortion.

It's even been proven that the so-called "Most Notorious Deadbeat Dad"
(honestly I can't remember his name, but he was in all the papers a few
years back, was some sort of jeweler or commodities trader or something like
that) didn't have the money that the state of NY was demanding he pay.

I'll give you idea that, yes there are some true deadbeats. But they are so
few and far between and so removed from the CS system that they rarely get
CSE's attention. But yet, CSE goes after those that can barely keep a roof
over their heads with a vengeance.

And since it's an election year.. oh the chance to "round up" as many state
created deadbeats is so damned irresistible to them! These monsters are
only after getting their pictures in the papers and groping for votes from
the sheep they represent. These career politicians live for catching these
"dastardly dads" just to prove their own existence.

People like Cox are scum. They care not one iota to actually solve the
problem, if they can exasperate the situation all the better for themselves.
Then they can come back the next election year and do it all over again.

If Cox really wanted to keep himself in office he'd be trying to change the
divorce problems plaguing his state. Then he'd come off looking like a real
hero - to just about everyone, on all sides of the problem and not a just a
dumb schmuck pandering for votes.

"Zimm" wrote in message
...

Funny how your assumptions are always that the poor deadbeats are all
living in squaller and have minimum wage jobs? What if they arent?
What if they own a yacht, are self employed and just a being a low-life
slug? Is it ok then?

I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm

No, not my assumption, just stating the fact that the majority of NCP
parents that aren't paying CS is because they can't pay the court ordered
extortion.

It's even been proven that the so-called "Most Notorious Deadbeat Dad"
(honestly I can't remember his name, but he was in all the papers a few
years back, was some sort of jeweler or commodities trader or something like
that) didn't have the money that the state of NY was demanding he pay.

I'll give you idea that, yes there are some true deadbeats. But they are so
few and far between and so removed from the CS system that they rarely get
CSE's attention. But yet, CSE goes after those that can barely keep a roof
over their heads with a vengeance.

And since it's an election year.. oh the chance to "round up" as many state
created deadbeats is so damned irresistible to them! These monsters are
only after getting their pictures in the papers and groping for votes from
the sheep they represent. These career politicians live for catching these
"dastardly dads" just to prove their own existence.

People like Cox are scum. They care not one iota to actually solve the
problem, if they can exasperate the situation all the better for themselves.
Then they can come back the next election year and do it all over again.

If Cox really wanted to keep himself in office he'd be trying to change the
divorce problems plaguing his state. Then he'd come off looking like a real
hero - to just about everyone, on all sides of the problem and not a just a
dumb schmuck pandering for votes.

"Zimm" wrote in message
...

Funny how your assumptions are always that the poor deadbeats are all
living in squaller and have minimum wage jobs? What if they arent?
What if they own a yacht, are self employed and just a being a low-life
slug? Is it ok then?

I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm

No, not my assumption, just stating the fact that the majority of NCP
parents that aren't paying CS is because they can't pay the court ordered
extortion.

It's even been proven that the so-called "Most Notorious Deadbeat Dad"
(honestly I can't remember his name, but he was in all the papers a few
years back, was some sort of jeweler or commodities trader or something like
that) didn't have the money that the state of NY was demanding he pay.

I'll give you idea that, yes there are some true deadbeats. But they are so
few and far between and so removed from the CS system that they rarely get
CSE's attention. But yet, CSE goes after those that can barely keep a roof
over their heads with a vengeance.

And since it's an election year.. oh the chance to "round up" as many state
created deadbeats is so damned irresistible to them! These monsters are
only after getting their pictures in the papers and groping for votes from
the sheep they represent. These career politicians live for catching these
"dastardly dads" just to prove their own existence.

People like Cox are scum. They care not one iota to actually solve the
problem, if they can exasperate the situation all the better for themselves.
Then they can come back the next election year and do it all over again.

If Cox really wanted to keep himself in office he'd be trying to change the
divorce problems plaguing his state. Then he'd come off looking like a real
hero - to just about everyone, on all sides of the problem and not a just a
dumb schmuck pandering for votes.

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, anyone who wants more information about this can find it on
this web site:

http://www.paykids.com/

zimm

Oh, you mean Mike Cox' company? These are the same fools that handle CS
payments for the state. They also get massive state and Federal kick backs
for every person they fleece.

Sure thing, be right over. Right after I poke my eye with a sharp stick.

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, anyone who wants more information about this can find it on
this web site:

http://www.paykids.com/

zimm

Oh, you mean Mike Cox' company? These are the same fools that handle CS
payments for the state. They also get massive state and Federal kick backs
for every person they fleece.

Sure thing, be right over. Right after I poke my eye with a sharp stick.

"Zimm" wrote in message
...
Oh yeah, anyone who wants more information about this can find it on
this web site:

http://www.paykids.com/

zimm

Oh, you mean Mike Cox' company? These are the same fools that handle CS
payments for the state. They also get massive state and Federal kick backs
for every person they fleece.

Sure thing, be right over. Right after I poke my eye with a sharp stick.

In article , Zimm says...

Funny how your assumptions are always that the poor deadbeats are all
living in squaller and have minimum wage jobs? What if they arent?
What if they own a yacht, are self employed and just a being a low-life
slug? Is it ok then?

I wonder how many of these kids are living below poverty level
themselves because their parents don't support them.

Zimm
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I would certainly be interested in seeing data proving that child support
payments raise kids from poverty. (I have searched for it.) Of course, that
assumes that welfare kids have a relatively wealthy NCP who is refusing to pay.
My guess is that the wide majority of kids living in poverty have no such sugar
daddy. I'm also guessing that the majority of these kids have a mother who has
chosen not to further her education to increase her earnings capacity and remove
such kids from poverty. We have several NCP dads in this group who are saddled
with unreasonably high child support payments because the CP refuses to be
gainfully employed. OTOH, there are several CPs in this group who are raising
their children without child support and have risen to the task quite admirably.
If a custodial parent choses not to better herself, she might be described more
accurately as unmotivated rather than as victim. The responsibility for kids in
poverty rests equally on both parents.
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