Runnin from Custodial Parent

On Sep 26, 1:33 am, wrote:
To everything I have read above, I think it is quite Brazen and Rude
to be so judgmental in a negative way toward her wanting to get the
child support that was COURT ORDERED to her. This man IS a DEADBEAT
and she has Every Right to use Whatever Resource she can to try and
seek the help of the public to find him. If more people would do this,
it would make it tougher on deadbeats to hide their money. There would
be less tax dollars being spent on Many Things if these DEADBEATS were
located and forced to pay their Court Ordered JUDGEMENT.

This man has an obligation to fulfill.... and it doesnt matter how
long it takes for him to pay off his Court Ordered Obligation, he
should be forced to do so... and if he ends up arrested and given a
work release to do so... that would be the best case scenario. He
should show his child RESPECT by doing so willingly. What he owes is
not actually near what it takes to raise a child. Get off your soapbox
about what she wants for herself. She is entitled to that money or
their wouldnt be a court order. It is money to raise the child. I'm
sure she will continue to provide things for that child after moving
out of the home... with money still coming in from arrears.

I fully support her efforts in what she is doing. And when her child
sees what she has done (as that person tried to make it sound the
child would be ashamed or angry and the mother would need
forgiveness... give me a break !! Geez !!), the child will know how
much effort she has put into taking up for BOTH their rights.

I have my deadbeat plastered all over. I showed my teen children and
asked their opinion before I did it. I had my ex ARRESTED with my
poster in one day. After he was bonded out by his cash employer, I am
taking pics of him working on jobsites to give to the judge when we go
back to court. I will do anything I can to make the public aware that
they can help many children and the custodial parents by getting
active in taking pics and sending them in when they know someone is
working for cash and hiding it. It benefits everyone (tax dollars) by
Taking a Stand against this ignorant behavior that deadbeats have.

My children SEE how their father hides his money... and there is
several incomes in his home, which none of my children have ever lived
in with his "new family". I dont have enough time to write about all
that fraudulent crap. My children are hurt by their fathers excuses he
gives every time he sees them... and even though he doesnt pay, I dont
stand in the way whenever they want to see each other. I keep their
channels open between them. I dont let his ignorance of not paying be
a reason they cant see each other... he does a good enough job of that
by being in the same town and seldom making contact... my kids usually
have to go hunt him down.

Deadbeats are Deadbeats in many ways. You cant change their habits,
but you can make them see they are WRONG. You can help the system make
it harder on them to hide by being active in supporting Custodial
Parents and the children involved.

You people that judge and put her down, Shame on You. She is doing
what she has to do. YOU PEOPLE need to be active in turning in people
when you know its going on... whoever and wherever it is. Turning a
blind eye doesnt make the problem go away for the child and custodial
parent. Making snide comments does no good. Until you walk in our
shoes, dont throw stones. If you have money owed to you and you dont
do anything, that is not in the best interest of you and your child.
Child Support Enforcement and police can only do so much.... there
isnt enough Tax Money for them to do all the Work WE Have To Do to
help push this hard enough to Find The Offender.

I dont have the time to debate with those of you making catty, snide
comments about our Responsibility to see this through. I will check in
here and there. We do what we have to do... and we do it with PRIDE in
hopes of making a difference in our children's lives... and YES... our
lives too. Those DeadBeats have a responsibility to US and some day
laws will be stronger, and your tax dollars wont be as affected
because we Took A Stand in making a difference.

And Maybe... just maybe... Everyones Children wont have to go through
as much as we do when they have children of their own because We Cared
To Put Ourselves On The Line To Be Chastised By People Who Dont
Understand Our Mission.

AMEN

On Sep 26, 11:44 am, wrote:
On Sep 24, 2:29 pm, "Gini" wrote:

"Very Determined!" wrote On Sep 21, 5:42 pm, "DB" wrote:

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Are your finances so low that $100 is going to break you?

What planet are you from? Yes, why do I bother with this? $100.00 to
you might be nothing but to us it is determining whether we will eat,
pay for my meds, or make the rent???

==
First: The CS is not for your meds, it's for the child's needs only.
Second: You make a lousy choice in men to procreate with and now you want
*my* tax dollars
to fund your quest for that 100 bucks?

This guy must be a non-custodial parent that owes child support, in
the middle of a child support case, or just an idiot. Here is why you
are an idiot, and also why you shouldn't be allowed to procreate:
"Because in the USA you, and you alone, had the sole right to bear
and
keep, abort, adopt, or "safe haven" (legally abandon) your child.
The
biological father had none of those choices. With rights come
responsibilities. If you want to even out the responsibilities, how
about relocating and offering him 50/50 custody, and agree to
terminate all financial child support? Or do you believe that a
divorced/separated father is not being "responsible" if he's not
paying the mother a monthly stipend? A lot of people think that way,
sadly."

The truth is that a woman doesn't create life on her own, and it is
the "live sperm" that creates life in the womb, and I am sure not even
someone as stupid as you can argue with that fact.
The fact that it was that deadbeat Dave's choice to bust a nut all up
in there, knowing full well that that's how babies are made. You're
saying that he should NOT take responsibility because the woman didn't
want to have an abortion or give the baby away.
Why should she have an abortion and ruin her body internally, possibly
causing scaring that could have prevented her from having anymore
children, because this guy wants to F**k but not wrap it up? Why
should she relocate to him? He shouldn't left in the first place. When
he did have access to his child, but didn't bother to help support him
then, and is still not supporting the child! Where do you get off
telling her 50/50 custody, and drop child support? He owes his child
that money, he owed the mother of his child that money, and if his
b**ch-made, baby-making a** would have been taking care of his
responsibilities we wouldn't have anything to comment about! Has he
taken 50/50 responsibility in all of the child's life? Has he taken
50/50 responsibility financially? Was he sharing 50/50 when he had a
pocket full of money and the child had nothing? How about when she
was pregnant, did he share 50/50 of the morning sickness? He hasn't
even taken 5% of the anything concerning the child, and you probably
the same type of person! I do believe that a divorced/separated parent
is not being responsible when he doesn't have a relationship with his
child, and when he doesn't pay child support. When there is no
relationship, financial obligations aren't just forgotten about. Maybe
your father raised you to think that men have some right to COMPLETELY
ABANDON the children THEY HELP CREATE, but not me. We are Americans,
and in America MEN AND WOMEN are held accountable for their children.
If he were not in the wrong, he wouldn't be hiding from his child.
If you're so concerned with your tax dollars, write to your local
legislator and request that the child support avoidance be criminal
instead a civil matter? Do something usefull with your time, and
stupidity!

instead of hating on this woman, support the cause to collect the
child support owed. If you are crying about your tax dollars, don't
make it so easy for deadbeat mom's and dad's to avoid the financial
obligations set forth by a court of law, sign this petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/let...dard-of-living

Then cry to the government for not making the law stiffer for
deadbeat's.

wrote
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Idiot-she said she left it alone for 10 years-not that she has been
trying to collct for 10 years. Point is, nobody forced him to spill
his seed to make a child, and there is a court order for support, he
needs to pay it. She didn't ask simple minded people to come down on
her, she asked for advice on how to collect her child support. You do
seem to have a lot of things deadbeat, non-custodial parents like to
hear, so go to one of thier blogs and sgree with them. I'm sure you'll
make many friends there!
==
Idiot. Who the hell are you to come in here and chastize the regular folks
who
have been here for years--I've been her for over 10 years. This is a
*father's* rights group in nature. If you can't deal with it, take your
babble elsewhere!
Next time, lurk before you open your mouth in a newsgroup and come off
looking totally
ignorant.

wrote
On Sep 24, 2:29 pm, "Gini" wrote:
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==
First: The CS is not for your meds, it's for the child's needs only.
Second: You make a lousy choice in men to procreate with and now you want
*my* tax dollars
to fund your quest for that 100 bucks?

This guy must be a non-custodial parent that owes child support, in
the middle of a child support case, or just an idiot.
==
What guy? I am not a guy nor am I a noncustodial parent--Nor do I owe or pay
child support. I am in an intact
family and have been for nearly 20 years. So, to whom are you speaking?

On Sep 26, 11:37 am, "Gini" wrote:
wrote
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Idiot-she said she left it alone for 10 years-not that she has been
trying to collct for 10 years. Point is, nobody forced him to spill
his seed to make a child, and there is a court order for support, he
needs to pay it. She didn't ask simple minded people to come down on
her, she asked for advice on how to collect her child support. You do
seem to have a lot of things deadbeat, non-custodial parents like to
hear, so go to one of thier blogs and sgree with them. I'm sure you'll
make many friends there!

==
Idiot. Who the hell are you to come in here and chastize the regular folks
who
have been here for years--I've been her for over 10 years. This is a
*father's* rights group in nature. If you can't deal with it, take your
babble elsewhere!
Next time, lurk before you open your mouth in a newsgroup and come off
looking totally
ignorant.

Who the hell are you to take ownership of an internet newsgroup?!?

Last I checked this was a group dedicated to the discussion
of child support issues, thus the name. You are the one
who just came off looking totally ignorant by attempting to
stifle disucussion of a point of view just because it doesn't
match your own.

"Paula" wrote
"Gini" wrote:
wrote
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Idiot-she said she left it alone for 10 years-not that she has been
trying to collct for 10 years. Point is, nobody forced him to spill
his seed to make a child, and there is a court order for support, he
needs to pay it. She didn't ask simple minded people to come down on
her, she asked for advice on how to collect her child support. You do
seem to have a lot of things deadbeat, non-custodial parents like to
hear, so go to one of thier blogs and sgree with them. I'm sure you'll
make many friends there!

==
Idiot. Who the hell are you to come in here and chastize the regular
folks
who
have been here for years--I've been her for over 10 years. This is a
*father's* rights group in nature. If you can't deal with it, take your
babble elsewhere!
Next time, lurk before you open your mouth in a newsgroup and come off
looking totally
ignorant.

Who the hell are you to take ownership of an internet newsgroup?!?

Last I checked this was a group dedicated to the discussion
of child support issues, thus the name. You are the one
who just came off looking totally ignorant by attempting to
stifle disucussion of a point of view just because it doesn't
match your own.
==
VBG
Apparently, you have a reading problem. See, he was the one spouting off
because we didn't agree
with him and he told us to go elsewhere. Let me break it down for you. He
said."Idiot...
You do seem to have a lot of things deadbeat, non-custodial parents like to
hear, so go
to one of thier blogs and sgree with them. I'm sure you'll
make many friends there." Now, don't you feel foolish as well? Perhaps
you
should just do a little research of usenet conventions and come back when
you're all grown up.

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On Sep 25, 12:19?am, "Chris" wrote:
"Very Determined!" wrote in message

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On Sep 24, 10:13 am, Relayer wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:29?am, Very Determined!
wrote:

On Sep 21, 11:02 am, "Chris" wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you on this one...I did not supply the sperm,
and
inject it. So "we created this child." He and I chose to create
this
child, and I chose to nurture and bear him. Ok, and why does any
of
that matter now..the child is here,living and breathing?

There are some men on this forum that advocate men getting out of CS
because they dont have a say in the child even being born, which is
a
totally asinine arguement.

Anyway, the father owes you..yes..you can hunt him down..yes.but
putting a lean on his house and threatening to take that away was
just
as asinine. He's a deadbeat, granted, but doing what you didnt will
just encourage him to further hide assets. And telling him to work
McDonalds isnt all that smart either.

It's pretty much a lost cause here. You will never see a dime from
the
idiot. Move on. The $100 a month is not worth the aggravation.

Ok, putting a lien on a sprawling ranch was assanine, what was I
thinking...to legally obtain what belonged to my son, I guess I wasn't
thinking rationally. I wonder why creditors do that? Oh, probably
because they want to make sure they get paid what they are owed, damn
I'm dumb. The NCP does deserve to be left alone...poor guy, nice
house, nice cars, vacations...and the son he is legally obligated to
take care of?? He has every right, to live without consequences to his
actions, there are more important things to take care, his contracting
business, buying more properties and making more children.

Newsflash: Men don't make children.


Yes they do.

How so?

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On Sep 26, 1:09 am, "Chris" wrote:
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On Sep 21, 11:02 am, "Chris" wrote:
"Very Determined!" wrote in message

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On Sep 18, 3:37 pm, "DB" wrote:
"Very Determined!" wrote in

working...like I told him before McDonald's is always
hiring...his
child still has to eat and live whether he has a job or not!

My father raised 3 kids on one blue collar salary with no
handout
from
anyone, so what's your problem?

Your dad should be commended! But my circumstances are not yours
or
your dads.FYI, I am not looking for a handout, for ten years I
left
him alone, figured he would do the right thing. When he could,
(which
he can), I figured he would help support his child, we created
together. "His child,we created together" key phrase!

Key phrase, but FALSE phrase. It was YOU, and you ALONE (by your
SOLE
choice) who created your child. Your phrase is like saying because I
handed
you a packet of yeast, "we" created a loaf of bread..........

He never did,
and willfully unemployed himself as well as fled from state to
state
to avoid his obligations and responsibilities to his child. My
current
husband worked two jobs, killing himself, and I are ready for the
violin...with removal of my thyroid other glands failed to their
joworked
full time too
so that we could eat, live, and my child could be well educated
today,
not ten, fifteen, twenty years ago (the cost of living is much
different now). And we did what we had to do, because life wasn't
fair
my child should not have to suffer, and we did whatever we had to
do
to make sure he has what TWO parents should give him. I was
diagnosed
with thyroid cancer, so with that I had to undergo a radical
thyroidectomy, and radiation. Let me know when your b,
and so on...so I am on meds the rest of my life, and hope to find
out
if I am cancer free soon. With my health issues my husband had to
leave his second job, to help run the household and take care of
me,
therefore financially we hurt because HE takes care of all his
children including two others from a previous marriage. So legally
my
husband is obligated to care for them first before we even eat!
Health
wise I shouldn't be working the hours I do, but I know my
obligations
and responsibilities, and even continue my education where I
graduate
in May with my bachelors in Criminal Justice,YEAH!!! and if my
health
allows hopefully to law school in September of 08. Anyway, #1. My
husband is not my son's father and he is not legally obligated to
care
for him. #2. Why is the bilogical father any less responsible than
I
am?

Because it was YOU, not him who made the sole choice to bear your
child.
It
is ILLEGAL for him to make such choice. (see above)

#3. Why am I looking for a handout when everyone is doing their
job, but the absent bilogical father? #4. How is my son going to
feel
when I tell him, I knew where your father was I just didn't care
enough to fight for you, because I don't want to bother with it?
Because we dont' need? We might not need it today...but my child
might, when he needs a new pair of size 15 shoes, and I cannot buy
them because I have to buy my medicine or pay for my doctor's
visit.
My child might need the money when he needs new school supplies
and I
have to be in the hospital. My child might need it when he is
hungry
at school and I need gas in my car. I am sorry your dad had to do
it
by himself, or chose to, but why do I have a problem if I am
willing
to get up and fight for what is legally obligated to my son?!? He
deserves that, at the very least...We all have choices about our
lives, I choose to not be a martyr and make sure the biological
father
is held responsible for his actions or inactions.

Responsible for "inactions". Don't you just LOVE it! What the heck
is
THAT
supposed to mean?

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Key phrase, but FALSE phrase. It was YOU, and you ALONE (by your SOLE
choice) who created your child. Your phrase is like saying because I
handed
you a packet of yeast, "we" created a loaf of bread..........

Sorry to disappoint you on this one...I did not supply the sperm, and
inject it. So "we created this child." He and I chose to create this
child, and I chose to nurture and bear him. Ok, and why does any of
that matter now..the child is here,living and breathing?

Because of your SOLE choice. No dissapointment at all. It is illegal for
him
to force you into parenthood. So, unless he or someone else committed
such
crime, the only option left is that you became a parent SOLELY by your
own
choice.



Responsible for "inactions". Don't you just LOVE it! What the heck is
THAT
supposed to mean?

It means that after searching high and low for the NCP for 10 years,
and finding him in prison for domestic violence, ("my duty as the CP,"
right?) that he was told once again where his child lives,( in the
same place for 14 years) and his child's phone number (the same for 14
years) that he needed to be a part of his child's life...because the
child at least deserved that. He decided to do nothing, not call him,
write him, wish him happy birthday...nothing! So inaction means
absence of action, and that is how I have applied it here.

"Responsibility" is tied to action by every facet of the definition. It
is
impossible to be responsible for that which does not exist (inaction).

I think you
are much more angry than I am.

When it comes to people getting ripped off, I'm sure I am.

I don't understand your defense of this
scumbag

That's because you lack a fundamental understanding of the concept of
responsibilities being inherently bundled with RIGHTS.



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Idiot-

New word or favorite word?

she said she left it alone for 10 years-not that she has been
trying to collct for 10 years. Point is, nobody forced him to spill
his seed to make a child,

So, if I understand you correctly, such child exists at the moment of
conception..... correct?

and there is a court order for support, he
needs to pay it.

"Need" is a matter of opinon.

She didn't ask simple minded people to come down on
her, she asked for advice on how to collect her child support. You do
seem to have a lot of things deadbeat, non-custodial parents like to
hear, so go to one of thier blogs and sgree with them. I'm sure you'll
make many friends there!

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On Sep 24, 10:13 am, Relayer wrote:
On Sep 24, 11:29?am, Very Determined!
wrote:

On Sep 21, 11:02 am, "Chris" wrote:

Sorry to disappoint you on this one...I did not supply the sperm,
and
inject it. So "we created this child." He and I chose to create
this
child, and I chose to nurture and bear him. Ok, and why does any
of
that matter now..the child is here,living and breathing?

There are some men on this forum that advocate men getting out of CS
because they dont have a say in the child even being born, which is
a
totally asinine arguement.

Anyway, the father owes you..yes..you can hunt him down..yes.but
putting a lean on his house and threatening to take that away was
just
as asinine. He's a deadbeat, granted, but doing what you didnt will
just encourage him to further hide assets. And telling him to work
McDonalds isnt all that smart either.

It's pretty much a lost cause here. You will never see a dime from
the
idiot. Move on. The $100 a month is not worth the aggravation.

Ok, putting a lien on a sprawling ranch was assanine, what was I
thinking...to legally obtain what belonged to my son, I guess I wasn't
thinking rationally. I wonder why creditors do that? Oh, probably
because they want to make sure they get paid what they are owed, damn
I'm dumb. The NCP does deserve to be left alone...poor guy, nice
house, nice cars, vacations...and the son he is legally obligated to
take care of?? He has every right, to live without consequences to his
actions, there are more important things to take care, his contracting
business, buying more properties and making more children.

Newsflash: Men don't make children.



(I wonder
what happened to the morality of having a child,and taking care of
it?) Yes, very stupid on my part. I wonder if I can have my 5 minutes
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Newsflash: Only men have the live organisim that creates the child.
The woman carries the egg, which is not alive,

Oh?

and it will be purged
from the body if not fertilized by sperm. So, in fact, men DO make
children, because they produce the sperm that causes the splitting of
the single cell to create the embryo that later becomes a fetus, then
a human being.

The above claim is like saying "I created a loaf of bread because I gave you
a packet of yeast". Can you say "slippery slope"?

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To everything I have read above, I think it is quite Brazen and Rude
to be so judgmental in a negative way toward her wanting to get the
child support that was COURT ORDERED to her. This man IS a DEADBEAT
and she has Every Right to use Whatever Resource she can to try and
seek the help of the public to find him. If more people would do this,
it would make it tougher on deadbeats to hide their money. There would
be less tax dollars being spent on Many Things if these DEADBEATS were
located and forced to pay their Court Ordered JUDGEMENT.

This man has an obligation to fulfill.... and it doesnt matter how
long it takes for him to pay off his Court Ordered Obligation, he
should be forced to do so... and if he ends up arrested and given a
work release to do so... that would be the best case scenario.

And if he chooses to not work?

He
should show his child RESPECT by doing so willingly. What he owes is
not actually near what it takes to raise a child. Get off your soapbox
about what she wants for herself. She is entitled to that money or
their wouldnt be a court order. It is money to raise the child. I'm
sure she will continue to provide things for that child after moving
out of the home... with money still coming in from arrears.

I fully support her efforts in what she is doing. And when her child
sees what she has done (as that person tried to make it sound the
child would be ashamed or angry and the mother would need
forgiveness... give me a break !! Geez !!), the child will know how
much effort she has put into taking up for BOTH their rights.

I have my deadbeat plastered all over. I showed my teen children and
asked their opinion before I did it. I had my ex ARRESTED with my
poster in one day. After he was bonded out by his cash employer, I am
taking pics of him working on jobsites to give to the judge when we go
back to court. I will do anything I can to make the public aware that
they can help many children and the custodial parents by getting
active in taking pics and sending them in when they know someone is
working for cash and hiding it. It benefits everyone (tax dollars) by
Taking a Stand against this ignorant behavior that deadbeats have.

My children SEE how their father hides his money... and there is
several incomes in his home, which none of my children have ever lived
in with his "new family". I dont have enough time to write about all
that fraudulent crap. My children are hurt by their fathers excuses he
gives every time he sees them... and even though he doesnt pay, I dont
stand in the way whenever they want to see each other. I keep their
channels open between them. I dont let his ignorance of not paying be
a reason they cant see each other... he does a good enough job of that
by being in the same town and seldom making contact... my kids usually
have to go hunt him down.

Deadbeats are Deadbeats in many ways. You cant change their habits,
but you can make them see they are WRONG. You can help the system make
it harder on them to hide by being active in supporting Custodial
Parents and the children involved.

You people that judge and put her down, Shame on You. She is doing
what she has to do. YOU PEOPLE need to be active in turning in people
when you know its going on... whoever and wherever it is. Turning a
blind eye doesnt make the problem go away for the child and custodial
parent. Making snide comments does no good. Until you walk in our
shoes, dont throw stones. If you have money owed to you and you dont
do anything, that is not in the best interest of you and your child.
Child Support Enforcement and police can only do so much.... there
isnt enough Tax Money for them to do all the Work WE Have To Do to
help push this hard enough to Find The Offender.

I dont have the time to debate with those of you making catty, snide
comments about our Responsibility to see this through. I will check in
here and there. We do what we have to do... and we do it with PRIDE in
hopes of making a difference in our children's lives... and YES... our
lives too. Those DeadBeats have a responsibility to US and some day
laws will be stronger, and your tax dollars wont be as affected
because we Took A Stand in making a difference.

And Maybe... just maybe... Everyones Children wont have to go through
as much as we do when they have children of their own because We Cared
To Put Ourselves On The Line To Be Chastised By People Who Dont
Understand Our Mission.

......... which is to extort FREE MONEY!