Ugly Sounds of an Actual Spanking

Yes we have heard it...its a poor recording. Sounds like someone
smacking someone on the hands or arms.....maybe legs and not the bottom.
I think(and others too) that the author just needed some
attention......Any so called spanking, has some crying, and smacking
sounds.Yelling included. The dramatics here are poor.

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Those who have traumatic issues about corporal punishment in childhood
should use discretion. This sound file can be extremely upsetting.

Chris

wrote:
Yes we have heard it...its a poor recording. Sounds like someone
smacking someone on the hands or arms.....maybe legs and not the bottom.
I think(and others too) that the author just needed some
attention......Any so called spanking, has some crying, and smacking
sounds.Yelling included. The dramatics here are poor.

It is a poor recording because it "sounds like someone smacking someone
on the hande or arms...maybe legs and not the bottom."? This is the
sound of an actual spanking, and why would you think that smacking on
"the bottom" would produce different sounds?

This is a child being hit and hurt in the name of discipline. Every
parent needs to ask him or herself, "What am I teaching my children when
I raise my hand and strike them? I am the most powerful role model my
children will ever have. Do I want to teach them what they are learning
when I spank?

LaVonne

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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005, Carlson LaVonne wrote:


wrote:
Yes we have heard it...its a poor recording. Sounds like someone
smacking someone on the hands or arms.....maybe legs and not the bottom.
I think(and others too) that the author just needed some
attention......Any so called spanking, has some crying, and smacking
sounds.Yelling included. The dramatics here are poor.

It is a poor recording because it "sounds like someone smacking someone
on the hande or arms...maybe legs and not the bottom."? This is the
sound of an actual spanking, and why would you think that smacking on
"the bottom" would produce different sounds?

This is a child being hit and hurt in the name of discipline. Every
parent needs to ask him or herself, "What am I teaching my children when
I raise my hand and strike them? I am the most powerful role model my
children will ever have. Do I want to teach them what they are learning
when I spank?

Well, you were spanked by your parents. What did you learn?

Doan

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
wrote:
Yes we have heard it...its a poor recording. Sounds like someone
smacking someone on the hands or arms.....maybe legs and not the
bottom.
I think(and others too) that the author just needed some
attention......Any so called spanking, has some crying, and
smacking
sounds.Yelling included. The dramatics here are poor.

It is a poor recording because it "sounds like someone smacking
someone
on the hande or arms...maybe legs and not the bottom."? This is the
sound of an actual spanking, and why would you think that smacking on

"the bottom" would produce different sounds?

This is a child being hit and hurt in the name of discipline. Every
parent needs to ask him or herself, "What am I teaching my children
when
I raise my hand and strike them? I am the most powerful role model
my
children will ever have. Do I want to teach them what they are
learning
when I spank?

LaVonne

I have a more pressing question, though this one deserves to be
answered, and of course, has been so very many times by scholars,
researchers, and fortunatly a great many parents that swore off
spanking and learned other more effective and undamaging methods.

My question, of course 0:-, relates that my one about The Line between
what is damaging and not in the use of corporal punishment. It is this:
How is it that so many folks, including the schools, officially, have
been coming in the past couple of decades, to the conclusion you point
out....that spanking isn't working?

They, presumably, were mostly among the spanked 98% of the population
reported as being spanked. Yet, they are not following the example
being set.

Kane

Golly, I WONDER why Doan's question was less pressing?

The one where he pointed out that LaVonne was spanked
and asked her what she learned?

Are you a violent, out of control person, LaVonne?

Did you need years of expensive THERAPY
to understand why you were spanked?

Or were you so unable to process the reasons
why you were spanked that this is why you
turned OPPOSITIONAL and defiant in your view
of the spankings you received?

I seem to recall that there is small percentage of kids
who never quite "get" why they actually deserved
a spanking for their actions. These few kids are
of particular interest because of the suspicion that
they are the few who have some sort of cognitive
problems and may well become SOCIOPATHS.

In other words, the small percentage of kids who
fail to recognize the rationale for their spankings
have some serious, possibly even dangerous
pathologies which may worsen.

Certainly, if a kid develops such contempt for
their parent when it comes to punishment, it
does not bode well for their adult lives and
the punishments from police and courts.

I find it odd that Kane claims much expertise in
psychology yet hasn't mentioned this.

Perhaps because it is inconvenient to his "cause"?

Golly, I WONDER why Doan's question was less pressing?

The one where he pointed out that LaVonne was spanked
and asked her what she learned?

Are you a violent, out of control person, LaVonne?

Did you need years of expensive THERAPY
to understand why you were spanked?

Or were you so unable to process the reasons
why you were spanked that this is why you
turned OPPOSITIONAL and defiant in your view
of the spankings you received?

I seem to recall that there is small percentage of kids
who never quite "get" why they actually deserved
a spanking for their actions. These few kids are
of particular interest because of the suspicion that
they are the few who have some sort of cognitive
problems and may well become SOCIOPATHS.

In other words, the small percentage of kids who
fail to recognize the rationale for their spankings
have some serious, possibly even dangerous
pathologies which may worsen.

Certainly, if a kid develops such contempt for
their parent when it comes to punishment, it
does not bode well for their adult lives and
the punishments from police and courts.

I find it odd that Kane claims much expertise in
psychology yet hasn't mentioned this.

Perhaps because it is inconvenient to his "cause"?

Greegor wrote:
Golly, I WONDER why Doan's question was less pressing?

Less pressing than what?

The one where he pointed out that LaVonne was spanked
and asked her what she learned?

Are you a violent, out of control person, LaVonne?

Do you think so? Does she appear to be?

What in her posts would suggest that?

Did you need years of expensive THERAPY
to understand why you were spanked?

That's not what therapy is for. Is it?

Or were you so unable to process the reasons
why you were spanked that this is why you
turned OPPOSITIONAL and defiant in your view
of the spankings you received?

Innuendo is all you've got?

Based on your misunderstanding of therapy?

What in her posts would you presume is oppositional and defiant?

And in defiance, and in opposition to what?

I seem to recall that there is small percentage of kids
who never quite "get" why they actually deserved
a spanking for their actions.

Your memory is obviously faulty, or you are harrassing LaVonne
purposefully.
There is not such study or information available, but if you think so,
feel free to find it an post it.

I suspect many of us are unaware of many things from our youth as to
cause and effect. Prior to five or six years of age that is the
condition of the child. They are unable to process with adult
sophistication abstract reasoning...and cause and effect is abstract.

These few kids are
of particular interest because of the suspicion that
they are the few who have some sort of cognitive
problems and may well become SOCIOPATHS.

Whose suspicion? What experts are you referring to, or are you using
your memory, where you seem to recall something?

Actually the ones that become sociopaths have both a faulty, though
natural, unawareness of what happened to them in a logical sense, and
are in reactivity. However, I see nothing in LaVonne's posts that
suggest reactivity.

She appears quite reasoned in her comments.

Could you point out for me those things she says or claims that seem
unrelated to reality (that being one of the prime components of true
sociopaths 0:- and soley calculated to profit her in some way)?

I recall a case I'm familiar with, where a man moved in with a single
mother..oh, I won't bore you...let's get on with the monkey show.

In other words, the small percentage of kids who
fail to recognize the rationale for their spankings
have some serious, possibly even dangerous
pathologies which may worsen.

Oh? They do?

If not understanding the rationale for things that happened in
childhood is a criteria for dangerous pathologies which may worsen, I
guess the entire population of the planet is at serious risk from each
other.

On the other hand you could be right, and LaVonne is a looney. Usually
there are signs though. Care to point them out?

Does she think, for instance, that she and her issues are the paramount
reason for posting to a newsgroup?

Does she exhibit signs of lack of conscience? (Sociopathology for
sure).

Does she make grandeous proclamations that the state is out to get her,
with ramblings that go on post after post year after year on the
subject, being shot down continually as illogical and untruthful?

Certainly, if a kid develops such contempt for
their parent when it comes to punishment,

Which kid? LaVonne has said she has contempt for her parents?

Could you be, out of touch with reality 0:- and lying, again, greegor?

it
does not bode well for their adult lives and
the punishments from police and courts.

Are you familiar with the concept of "projection," greegor?

The only person in your conversation with LaVonne that has had problems
with punishments from courts and inteventions by police would
be.....yep, you guessed it....you. Have you forgotten your domestic
abuse convictions in the state of Iowa?

Have you forgotten the real reasons the state removed the daughter of
your girlfriend...the child that you showered naked, put your hands on
in the shower to push her head under the showerhead, the one you tried
to train like a dog with cold water, naked, punishments for wetting
herself?

Have you forgotten your continual runins with Iowa child protection and
their contractors that you seem bound to fight, even if it cost your
girl friend her daughter?

I find it odd that Kane claims much expertise in
psychology yet hasn't mentioned this.

Well, your claims are not 'psychology.' They are, for someone that
posts in her own name here, if you are accusing her of being a
sociopath, very interesting. Indeedy.

Are you?

Should her employers or students read your post and take you seriously
and it harm her career in anyway, even momentary embarrassment, do you
have any idea where that leaves you?

Perhaps because it is inconvenient to his "cause"?

I can't think of any cause I have that would connect to my not drawing
the conclusions you have drawn..and posted publically and now archived.
I would presume LaVonne would have a copy as well. Did you take your
stupid pills twice this morning? You know you aren't supposed to do
that without marking the calendar.

As for my "cause," no, it's because I make considered appraisals, not
diagnosis, that are based on factual information I recover from Usenet,
that you have posted, and back up what I say, as I did above. Which of
those things I said are not true?

Which of those things you claim about LaVonne are true? And more
importantly, greegor the brilliant, which are untrue?

As for my posting today, and what I pointed out about you, I do not,
however, think you are a full blown sociopath.

0:-

She can't answered my question because it would undermine the whole
foundation of her agenda. On 11 Apr 2005 wrote:


Greegor wrote: Golly, I WONDER why Doan's question was less
pressing?
Doan
Less pressing than what?

The one where he pointed out that LaVonne was spanked
and asked her what she learned?

Are you a violent, out of control person, LaVonne?

Do you think so? Does she appear to be?

What in her posts would suggest that?

Did you need years of expensive THERAPY
to understand why you were spanked?

That's not what therapy is for. Is it?

Or were you so unable to process the reasons
why you were spanked that this is why you
turned OPPOSITIONAL and defiant in your view
of the spankings you received?

Innuendo is all you've got?

Based on your misunderstanding of therapy?

What in her posts would you presume is oppositional and defiant?

And in defiance, and in opposition to what?

I seem to recall that there is small percentage of kids
who never quite "get" why they actually deserved
a spanking for their actions.

Your memory is obviously faulty, or you are harrassing LaVonne
purposefully.
There is not such study or information available, but if you think so,
feel free to find it an post it.

I suspect many of us are unaware of many things from our youth as to
cause and effect. Prior to five or six years of age that is the
condition of the child. They are unable to process with adult
sophistication abstract reasoning...and cause and effect is abstract.

These few kids are
of particular interest because of the suspicion that
they are the few who have some sort of cognitive
problems and may well become SOCIOPATHS.

Whose suspicion? What experts are you referring to, or are you using
your memory, where you seem to recall something?

Actually the ones that become sociopaths have both a faulty, though
natural, unawareness of what happened to them in a logical sense, and
are in reactivity. However, I see nothing in LaVonne's posts that
suggest reactivity.

She appears quite reasoned in her comments.

Could you point out for me those things she says or claims that seem
unrelated to reality (that being one of the prime components of true
sociopaths 0:- and soley calculated to profit her in some way)?

I recall a case I'm familiar with, where a man moved in with a single
mother..oh, I won't bore you...let's get on with the monkey show.

In other words, the small percentage of kids who
fail to recognize the rationale for their spankings
have some serious, possibly even dangerous
pathologies which may worsen.

Oh? They do?

If not understanding the rationale for things that happened in
childhood is a criteria for dangerous pathologies which may worsen, I
guess the entire population of the planet is at serious risk from each
other.

On the other hand you could be right, and LaVonne is a looney. Usually
there are signs though. Care to point them out?

Does she think, for instance, that she and her issues are the paramount
reason for posting to a newsgroup?

Does she exhibit signs of lack of conscience? (Sociopathology for
sure).

Does she make grandeous proclamations that the state is out to get her,
with ramblings that go on post after post year after year on the
subject, being shot down continually as illogical and untruthful?

Certainly, if a kid develops such contempt for
their parent when it comes to punishment,

Which kid? LaVonne has said she has contempt for her parents?

Could you be, out of touch with reality 0:- and lying, again, greegor?

it
does not bode well for their adult lives and
the punishments from police and courts.

Are you familiar with the concept of "projection," greegor?

The only person in your conversation with LaVonne that has had problems
with punishments from courts and inteventions by police would
be.....yep, you guessed it....you. Have you forgotten your domestic
abuse convictions in the state of Iowa?

Have you forgotten the real reasons the state removed the daughter of
your girlfriend...the child that you showered naked, put your hands on
in the shower to push her head under the showerhead, the one you tried
to train like a dog with cold water, naked, punishments for wetting
herself?

Have you forgotten your continual runins with Iowa child protection and
their contractors that you seem bound to fight, even if it cost your
girl friend her daughter?

I find it odd that Kane claims much expertise in
psychology yet hasn't mentioned this.

Well, your claims are not 'psychology.' They are, for someone that
posts in her own name here, if you are accusing her of being a
sociopath, very interesting. Indeedy.

Are you?

Should her employers or students read your post and take you seriously
and it harm her career in anyway, even momentary embarrassment, do you
have any idea where that leaves you?

Perhaps because it is inconvenient to his "cause"?

I can't think of any cause I have that would connect to my not drawing
the conclusions you have drawn..and posted publically and now archived.
I would presume LaVonne would have a copy as well. Did you take your
stupid pills twice this morning? You know you aren't supposed to do
that without marking the calendar.

As for my "cause," no, it's because I make considered appraisals, not
diagnosis, that are based on factual information I recover from Usenet,
that you have posted, and back up what I say, as I did above. Which of
those things I said are not true?

Which of those things you claim about LaVonne are true? And more
importantly, greegor the brilliant, which are untrue?

As for my posting today, and what I pointed out about you, I do not,
however, think you are a full blown sociopath.

0:-

Darn, greegor, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun as you thoroughly
savaged both LaVonne and myself with one post. I forgot to post my poor
weak reply to the other interested newsgroups so folks could see how
superior and clever you are.

And in case LaVonne missed your powerful, scathing exposure of her,
I'll see she get's a copy. I think, also given how thoroughly you put
me in my long-overdue-place, I should send one to myself, as a reminder
just to keep me suitably humble.

Pretty soon, what with your brilliance, all of us, Dan, myself, why
just anyone that would speak out here and try to 'shout you down' will
be taken care of, right?

Here, let me help.....0:-



wrote:
Greegor wrote:
Golly, I WONDER why Doan's question was less pressing?

Less pressing than what?

The one where he pointed out that LaVonne was spanked
and asked her what she learned?

Are you a violent, out of control person, LaVonne?

Do you think so? Does she appear to be?

What in her posts would suggest that?

Did you need years of expensive THERAPY
to understand why you were spanked?

That's not what therapy is for. Is it?

Or were you so unable to process the reasons
why you were spanked that this is why you
turned OPPOSITIONAL and defiant in your view
of the spankings you received?

Innuendo is all you've got?

Based on your misunderstanding of therapy?

What in her posts would you presume is oppositional and defiant?

And in defiance, and in opposition to what?

I seem to recall that there is small percentage of kids
who never quite "get" why they actually deserved
a spanking for their actions.

Your memory is obviously faulty, or you are harrassing LaVonne
purposefully.
There is not such study or information available, but if you think
so,
feel free to find it an post it.

I suspect many of us are unaware of many things from our youth as to
cause and effect. Prior to five or six years of age that is the
condition of the child. They are unable to process with adult
sophistication abstract reasoning...and cause and effect is abstract.

These few kids are
of particular interest because of the suspicion that
they are the few who have some sort of cognitive
problems and may well become SOCIOPATHS.

Whose suspicion? What experts are you referring to, or are you using
your memory, where you seem to recall something?

Actually the ones that become sociopaths have both a faulty, though
natural, unawareness of what happened to them in a logical sense, and
are in reactivity. However, I see nothing in LaVonne's posts that
suggest reactivity.

She appears quite reasoned in her comments.

Could you point out for me those things she says or claims that seem
unrelated to reality (that being one of the prime components of true
sociopaths 0:- and soley calculated to profit her in some way)?

I recall a case I'm familiar with, where a man moved in with a single
mother..oh, I won't bore you...let's get on with the monkey show.

In other words, the small percentage of kids who
fail to recognize the rationale for their spankings
have some serious, possibly even dangerous
pathologies which may worsen.

Oh? They do?

If not understanding the rationale for things that happened in
childhood is a criteria for dangerous pathologies which may worsen, I
guess the entire population of the planet is at serious risk from
each
other.

On the other hand you could be right, and LaVonne is a looney.
Usually
there are signs though. Care to point them out?

Does she think, for instance, that she and her issues are the
paramount
reason for posting to a newsgroup?

Does she exhibit signs of lack of conscience? (Sociopathology for
sure).

Does she make grandeous proclamations that the state is out to get
her,
with ramblings that go on post after post year after year on the
subject, being shot down continually as illogical and untruthful?

Certainly, if a kid develops such contempt for
their parent when it comes to punishment,

Which kid? LaVonne has said she has contempt for her parents?

Could you be, out of touch with reality 0:- and lying, again,
greegor?

it
does not bode well for their adult lives and
the punishments from police and courts.

Are you familiar with the concept of "projection," greegor?

The only person in your conversation with LaVonne that has had
problems
with punishments from courts and inteventions by police would
be.....yep, you guessed it....you. Have you forgotten your domestic
abuse convictions in the state of Iowa?

Have you forgotten the real reasons the state removed the daughter of
your girlfriend...the child that you showered naked, put your hands
on
in the shower to push her head under the showerhead, the one you
tried
to train like a dog with cold water, naked, punishments for wetting
herself?

Have you forgotten your continual runins with Iowa child protection
and
their contractors that you seem bound to fight, even if it cost your
girl friend her daughter?

I find it odd that Kane claims much expertise in
psychology yet hasn't mentioned this.

Well, your claims are not 'psychology.' They are, for someone that
posts in her own name here, if you are accusing her of being a
sociopath, very interesting. Indeedy.

Are you?

Should her employers or students read your post and take you
seriously
and it harm her career in anyway, even momentary embarrassment, do
you
have any idea where that leaves you?

Perhaps because it is inconvenient to his "cause"?

I can't think of any cause I have that would connect to my not
drawing
the conclusions you have drawn..and posted publically and now
archived.
I would presume LaVonne would have a copy as well. Did you take your
stupid pills twice this morning? You know you aren't supposed to do
that without marking the calendar.

As for my "cause," no, it's because I make considered appraisals, not
diagnosis, that are based on factual information I recover from
Usenet,
that you have posted, and back up what I say, as I did above. Which
of
those things I said are not true?

Which of those things you claim about LaVonne are true? And more
importantly, greegor the brilliant, which are untrue?

As for my posting today, and what I pointed out about you, I do not,
however, think you are a full blown sociopath.

0:-