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"Banty" wrote in message ... The other problem was that Weekends Were Sacred. No homework on weekends, when our schedule was more relaxed and things like writing could be broken up and made more pleasant. It was all stacked onto Mon. - Thur. AND Scouts had to be some night Mon. - Thur. AND band rehersals and concerts had to be some night Mon. Thur. The after school program was iffy regarding homework time and environment, so we'd often have four overstuffed evenings, a real tired kid on Fridays, and lots of free time on weekends. Well bully for the weekend, and we would always plan bigger homework projects for then, but didn't make sense for our family and it made school kind of miserable. I was wondering about this. DD doesn't get homework on Fridays but I assumed it was because she's only in 2nd grade. You mean this is true for all grades? Actually I'd rather she have *some* homework - the same math worksheet and spelling - over the weekend. Not three hours worth but maybe 20 minutes worth (don't worry, we can stretch it to 3 hours . Jeanne |
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toto wrote:
The generally accepted homework guidelines seem to be as follows, though I am sure there are exceptions in various places Homework should have different purposes at different grades. For younger students, it should foster positive attitudes and habits of work. For older students, it should facilitate knowledge acquisition in specific topics. Recommended frequency and duration for homework assignments should be: * grades 1-3—one to three assignments a week, each lasting no more than 15 minutes. * grades 4-6—two to four assignments a week, each lasting 15-45 minutes. * grades 7-9—three to five assignments a week, each lasting 45-75 minutes. * grades 10-12—four to five assignments a week, each lasting 75 to 120 minutes. HAH! Generally accepted, where? Academia? From what I hear from other parents, our school's guidelines are considered pretty low, and they'd stack up to yours as follows: Yours Ours 1-3 15-45 min/week 40-120 min/week 4-6 30-180 min/week 160-360 min/week And, of course, many times our guidelines are exceeded. I'd say DS2 in 2nd grade falls well within the guidelines at about 60 min/week, but DS1 in 4th grade probably does about 8 hours/week of homework. Best wishes, Ericka |
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toto wrote:
On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:05:31 -0500, Ericka Kammerer wrote: Well, how the heck am I supposed to do that if there's only one night to produce a clean draft of an essay? Are you sure the teacher isn't looking at the homework as a rough draft that can be edited in class? Yep. It's made clear what level of editing is expected. If it's specifically *writing* homework, there probably will be time for edits and drafts between homework and classwork, but she doesn't bat an eyelash at assigning an essay for homework in *another* subject, where the night's homework is the one and only draft of the paper and it's expected to be of reasonable quality. Best wishes, Ericka |
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Mermaid wrote in message
... [snip] I made a point of talking to the principal today in regards to the issue with the student teacher. She swallowed hard and basically back peddled. "OH no the reason you and the other parents are being told not to come into this classroom is that now that the teacher has the student teacher there she is able to work with the students having trouble." I wanted to say "well why didn't they say that in the first place!" It appears that she was caught in the middle and wanted to make excuses anyhow. Oh well. I made my point telling them that I hope the students who need help will get it even if it means the student teacher is uncomfortable." What a spineless piece of washed-up jelly-bloat! I know you don't like confrontation, Mermaid, but a little push-back is needed to drive your point home even further about the volunteer situation. Get the other three (or four) parents together and re-insert yourselves into the classroom. The teacher _can_ use the extra eyes and hands for one-on-one reading, math and art, and the aid -- she's only a student teacher -- can be used for the reason she's there, learning how to write-develop-and-deliver a lesson plan under experienced supervision. Screw the lack of support from the school. Push back and push often; it might feel like you're pushing against the ocean's tide but you're not. Eventually the resource they get from the parent community will enhance their overall points and community. The "BTDT" Ranger |
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"Ruth Baltopoulos" wrote:
: Then obviously something has to give - usually a class. Rarely (or has : things really changed that much) do schools require six classes and three : electives. Drop an elective or two. But even if this is the case, I don't : think heavy coursework is a legitimate reason for parents to do their : children's homework. I have heard of this homework nightmare from others in my town, but my teenagers must be attending a different school, because I have *never* seen the amount of homework lamented about smile, and if I had, I definitely would have addressed it with the Superintendent and Principals. Many, many parents have vocalized to me that they have no life in the evenings as they sit with their children while they do/help them with their homework boggle! Sometimes it depends upon the kid. My kids in 3rd or 4th grade frequently had 3 hours homework in one subject. It took that long for them to come up with and write 15 nontrivial sentences for their 15 spelling words (my son would try to write sentences like "I am XXXXX" for all his sentences but we required more than that). It took them that long to solve the 20-25 arithmetic problems on the page, both with the help of parents who would help and hint but not give them the answers. We eventually got the homework for my son reduced to 5 sentences, which made it a reasonable amount of time. But I'm sure other kids were able to spill out 15 sentences in 15 minutes or less. (My kids were ESL, but the problem went beyond that to simply not being able to think of sentences). lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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"Stephanie Stowe" wrote:
Once he's that tired, if one of us is not sitting with him to keep him focused, he falls asleep at his desk. See that's wrong. If a kids gets to here in the normal course events (vs blowing off homework all day) then that is just too much. There are many kids (and mine were among them) that are mentally exhausted by the time school let out. My son as late as 4th or 5th grade had no trouble going to sleep at 800, and sleeping all night. We could seldom get 15 minutes work out of him in the evening without obvious signs of being tired (and not just laziness). He had attention issues, and merely staying attentive all day for him, with medication, was exhausting work. My daughter who had no such attention deficit diagnosis, was frequently reported to lose her focus at school about 1-130PM. We later linked the early tiredness to the lack of recess, and the fact that the school started lunch before 11am (and the kids only had a half hour for their lunch break, so that they had very little time to move around after standing in the cafeteria line for up to 15 minutes, and being required to stay in assigned seats while eating). And that's before we get to the stupid assignments designed to create more "parental involvement" that *require* the parent to participate--we have quite a few of those. What classes / ages does this occur in? Why does this occur, I wonder. As in, what is the teacher hoping to gain? Most elementary grades. And it is something that is necessary for any sort of long term project when kids have attention spans of less than 1/2 hour. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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Ericka Kammerer wrote in message
... toto wrote: On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 14:05:31 -0500, Ericka Kammerer wrote: Well, how the heck am I supposed to do that if there's only one night to produce a clean draft of an essay? Are you sure the teacher isn't looking at the homework as a rough draft that can be edited in class? Yep. It's made clear what level of editing is expected. If it's specifically *writing* homework, there probably will be time for edits and drafts between homework and classwork, but she doesn't bat an eyelash at assigning an essay for homework in *another* subject, where the night's homework is the one and only draft of the paper and it's expected to be of reasonable quality. That's the benefit of computers and word processing programs. Daughter-unit Beta is writing multiple essays this year in disparate topics and subjects. I made sure the teacher understood that each essay would be coming in printed from a laser printer. He didn't have a problem with that. In fact he asked the rest of the class to make sure they turned in their essays printed from the computer to help with ease of reading (most are still writing using Kinder-glyphs and crayons for handwriting). Only two kids took him up on it (because their parents forced them!) The other 32 students use their computers to instant message and play games! Using it for what it was designed is a totally alien concept. shakes head The Ranger |
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The Ranger wrote:
That's the benefit of computers and word processing programs. Daughter-unit Beta is writing multiple essays this year in disparate topics and subjects. I made sure the teacher understood that each essay would be coming in printed from a laser printer. He didn't have a problem with that. In fact he asked the rest of the class to make sure they turned in their essays printed from the computer to help with ease of reading (most are still writing using Kinder-glyphs and crayons for handwriting). Only two kids took him up on it (because their parents forced them!) The other 32 students use their computers to instant message and play games! Using it for what it was designed is a totally alien concept. shakes head While my son prefers keyboarding to handwriting, that's not the issue. Writing is hard for him, and it's coming up with the words and the structure that takes time for him, more so than writing things down. Best wishes, Ericka |
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