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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/ap...mination-bill/
Campfield's child support termination bill attacked Briley says measure would punish youth for conduct of parents By Tom Humphrey Monday, April 21, 2008 NASHVILLE - State Rep. Stacey Campfield was questioned about his views on premarital sex and adultery during a combative exchange over a bill he sponsored to allow termination of child support payments in some situations. The Knoxville Republican's bill sets up a procedure for a man to end child support payments after learning he is not the father of the child in question. Campfield said his proposal is "a little bit softer than every other state" that has similar laws. A court proceeding would be required to "disestablish" paternity and the judge would specifically have to consider the "best interest of the child," which Campfield said is not a consideration in other states. Also, he said a judge could not order the nonparent be repaid for past payments of child support, only a halt to any payments due in the future. After Campfield explained the bill - HB1523 - to the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Rob Briley, D-Nashville, immediately took the lead in criticizing the measure. "I think this is the most anti-child piece of legislation I've seen down here in 10 years - by far," said Briley. "Do you believe in premarital sex?" Briley asked Campfield. "I don't see what that has to do with this (legislation)," replied Campfield. With little variation, Briley repeated his question and Campfield his answer. Briley also asked Campfield if "you see adultery as wrong?" "You're talking about children that are the result of premarital sex or adultery," Briley said. "No. I don't think that children should be involved in premarital sex," said Campfield. He also expressed disapproval of adultery. "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." "Children never have to pay the child support," said Campfield. The exchange ended with Briley making a motion to send the bill to "summer study," which amounts to killing it. The motion was approved by voice vote with only Rep. Jon Lundberg, R-Bristol, asking to be recorded as voting no on the motion. |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
"Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. The whole idea is so disgusting!! As if a child is owed money from a man--any man--and to not receive the money from whatever man mom points to is child abuse! Where do these idiot politicians get their ideas? You've got to wonder if the lot of them have children by "outside interests" where other men are paying what they, themselves, should be paying. |
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-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. The whole idea is so disgusting!! As if a child is owed money from a man--any man--and to not receive the money from whatever man mom points to is child abuse! Where do these idiot politicians get their ideas? You've got to wonder if the lot of them have children by "outside interests" where other men are paying what they, themselves, should be paying. The above is a classic response from one who does not understand the relationship between rights and responsibilities. |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
"Chris" wrote in message ... -- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] . . "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. The whole idea is so disgusting!! As if a child is owed money from a man--any man--and to not receive the money from whatever man mom points to is child abuse! Where do these idiot politicians get their ideas? You've got to wonder if the lot of them have children by "outside interests" where other men are paying what they, themselves, should be paying. The above is a classic response from one who does not understand the relationship between rights and responsibilities. What? You are NUTS, Chris! I said I think it is ridiculous that the law says that a child is owed money by a man--any man--whether he is the father or not. I, myself, do not believe that--but that is what the law says, Chris. Why do you think non-bio men are forced to keep paying even when it is proved that they are not the fathers? |
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"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... -- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] . . "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. The whole idea is so disgusting!! As if a child is owed money from a man--any man--and to not receive the money from whatever man mom points to is child abuse! Where do these idiot politicians get their ideas? You've got to wonder if the lot of them have children by "outside interests" where other men are paying what they, themselves, should be paying. The above is a classic response from one who does not understand the relationship between rights and responsibilities. What? You are NUTS, Chris! I said I think it is ridiculous that the law says that a child is owed money by a man--any man--whether he is the father or not. I, myself, do not believe that--but that is what the law says, Chris. Why do you think non-bio men are forced to keep paying even when it is proved that they are not the fathers? I think Chris may have misunderstood your statement. I know I did the FIRST time I read it. After re-reading I understood what you were saying but the first time it sounded like you supported the idea that "any man..." should be held liable but knowing you better than that, I re-read and understood. I'll be the first to admit that I don't always understand what others clearly say. When I misunderstand what is spoken out loud, I can fall back on the fact that I'm nearly deaf but in reading, I don't have an excuse. Phil #3 |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... -- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] . . "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. The whole idea is so disgusting!! As if a child is owed money from a man--any man--and to not receive the money from whatever man mom points to is child abuse! Where do these idiot politicians get their ideas? You've got to wonder if the lot of them have children by "outside interests" where other men are paying what they, themselves, should be paying. The above is a classic response from one who does not understand the relationship between rights and responsibilities. What? You are NUTS, Chris! I said I think it is ridiculous that the law says that a child is owed money by a man--any man--whether he is the father or not. You also said "...what they, themselves, should be paying." I, myself, do not believe that--but that is what the law says, Chris. Why do you think non-bio men are forced to keep paying even when it is proved that they are not the fathers? Because the BIG GUNS say so? |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. Responsibility exists ONLY where one has a choice. Explain such choice regarding a father and his biological children. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. |
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TN - Child support termination bill attacked
"Chris" wrote in message ... -- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] . . "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. Responsibility exists ONLY where one has a choice. Explain such choice regarding a father and his biological children. A biological father who knows another man is paying CS for the child he fathered has the choice to come forward, acknolwedge his paternity, and take over the CS payments. Currently, the CS laws allow the bio-dad to remain anonymous and dodge any personal responsibility for his role in creating a child. I find that to be absurd. You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. |
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-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message ... -- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] . . "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Dusty" wrote in message ... "Yet you want to punish a child as the result of an adulterous situation," said Briley. "You put the child in the position of bearing the burden of a parent's conduct." I just don't get this argument. Isn't this politician saying CS money is more important than factual reality and truth should be ignored when there are signs of immorality? To accept this argument one has to ignore it is the mother who gets pregnant as the result of her sexual misconduct outside of a relationship or with multiple partners and believe the biological father should have no responsibility. Responsibility exists ONLY where one has a choice. Explain such choice regarding a father and his biological children. A biological father who knows another man is paying CS for the child he fathered has the choice to come forward, acknolwedge his paternity, and take over the CS payments. Currently, the CS laws allow the bio-dad to remain anonymous and dodge any personal responsibility for his role in creating a child. I find that to be absurd. And just what, exactly, is his "role"? You really have to use pretzel logic to advocate for the status quo when it comes to obvious inequities in CS law. |
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