Kane has never claimed that CP isn't "legal." was Kane admits spanking legal. Just as I've written.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:59:54 -0400, "Sherman"
wrote:


"Kane" wrote in message
. com...
(Fern5827) wrote in message
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As I have stated before see USSC:

I'v never denied spanking was legal. In fact, except for one state
that has a law that could be interpreted that way, and I posted
about
2 years ago, I've pointed out repeatedly that it IS legal. Just
that
it's not moral, or even needed, and has too high a risk to be an
acceptable parenting method.

And of course, it's cowardly, vicious, and indicative of hatred and
fear of childrn.

But then lots of laws fit into similar categories.


Ingraham v. Wright (1970's)

absolutely zero to do with the legality of spanking by parents. Had
everything to do with denying a child the right to sue the school
board for suffering injury from paddling.

If you think it mentioned parents and their rights, you are
cordially
invited to post that proof, from the case, right here, and prove me
wrong.

I've offered you this challenge dozens of times and you've
crawfished
right out of this subject and relied on the laziness of the readers
to
NOT go and read the case for themselves.

While I have trusted their intelligence and diligence and posted
the
clickable URL here for them to do their own checking.

Notice that every time you post Ingraham v. Wright that you are
Ignorant v. Wrong. NO ONE comes to your rescue and debates MY
posting
of the truth.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj.../ingraham.html

One does not NEED this caselaw to prove a thing about parent's
right
to use non injurious CP on their children. It's already IN the laws
in
all states, usually, with that one exception I mentioned, quite
clear.

Why would you claim I "admit" to something I've never denied?

Caseworkers use spanking as a ploy to gain entrance.

Nope, they use reports of spanking that appeared excessive to the
reporter...often eye witnesses, and some to the very injuries
inflicted, such as school nurses, and hospital personell.

Your defense of horrible abuses to children by their parents as a
right of parents is not only deplorable in it's immorality, but in
it's anti-social kant.

You are a sad case.

Kane

New in the news for "punishment" for children: "Hot Saucing".

Read all about it at:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/L..._040824-1.html

Learn the "guidelines for spanking" your Christian children from this
former
actress too!

What is both sad, and infuriating as well, is that these are
"homeschooling" issues now, with that group about to become splintered
over it.

About five years ago a homeschooling advocate and activist spotted an
ad in a homeschooling magazine for something called, "The Rod." A
gruesome piece of equipment to whip children with, babies included.

He reported it to all states AsG, and most CPS offices. At some point
a homeschooling mom, a Christian lady, ran across it as well. She
obtained pics and the instructional brochure (yep...don't gasp, it's
true) from the aforementioned person. See at:

http://stoptherod.net/

And reacted with the opening of a new website in an attempt to do
something about this viciousness, and to separate out the opposed
homeschoolers from the smaller lot of child torturers who also happen
to "homeschool." if one can call it that.

A petition is available, and Sue Lawrence will put you on her E-mail
list if you wish, to keep up with progress and give you an opportunity
to fight this kind of insane cruelty to children:

http://parentinginjesusfootsteps.org/

and for the petition;

http://stoptherod.net/

As information comes out concerning the uproar over this I'll continue
to post it here.

Sherman.

Kane

Subject: Kane admits spanking legal. Just as I've written.
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 8/26/2004 9:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

The dangers of an inept, undertrained, now privatized CPS agency are far more
fearsome than *good* supposedly gained.

96% of what CPS meddles into is NOT SERIOUS.

Dan confirms the time, money, illegalities that DSS, ACS perpetuated upon his
family for an unfounded accusation.

If the government desired to help poor families they would expand HEAD START
and EARLY HEAD START.

Since the most atrocious examples of child abuse occur with children who are
not able to talk, expansion of Preschool would help their little brains,
stimulate them, and give the impoverished kids an earlier start.

Middle class children routinely attend Preschool. Other industrialized nations
are able to fund such programs.

One dollar expended for Preschool pays off seven fold.

Give kids altenatives to TV, the streets, and a bad environment.

Instead, the government chooses to expand almost worthless, after the fact
programs, while the rate of child deaths remains the same.

Riding around in cars, and filing paperwork , with one size fits all case plans
do not help OVERSTRESSED FAMILIES AND MOMS.


Dan was hauled in before ACS numerous times on *false charges*

On 27 Aug 2004 10:55:56 GMT, (Fern5827) wrote:

Subject: Kane admits spanking legal. Just as I've written.
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 8/26/2004 9:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

The dangers of an inept, undertrained, now privatized CPS agency are
far more
fearsome than *good* supposedly gained.

96% of what CPS meddles into is NOT SERIOUS.

I doubt the children suffering the abuse would agree to that stupid
statement. By the way, CPS is not mandated to only "meddle" in the
"NOT SERIOUS."

One of the primary ways in which you liars defraud the readers,
newbies here for help especially, is to pretend that CPS is something
it is not. CPS is primarily, just as the police are, an agent for
social controls. CPS, and the police, enforce the beliefs of the
society they are embedded in.

Those beliefs are reflected in the laws created by the elected
representatives of the citizens.

You may bitch and moan all you wish about the outcomes YEW don't care
for, but that does in no way change what they are or were they come
from.

You will, unless you wish to renounce and leave this society,
preferably by some judicious Logging and Lumber making, obey what the
rest of the citizens in this society say you will. And that includes
Not abusing and neglecting children seriously , or NOT SERIOUSLY.

Dan confirms the time, money, illegalities that DSS, ACS perpetuated
upon his
family for an unfounded accusation.

Yep. That IS the opportunity one has under our system of government.
In other societies he would simply have been taken out and shot for
defying the government agents.

YEW and your cronie, the Douggie, are headed in exactly that
direction. But then you GET TO DO THAT WITH LITTLE INCUMBERANCE
PRECISELY BECAUSE OF THE SYSTEM YOU WHINE ABOUT.

If the government desired to help poor families they would expand
HEAD START
and EARLY HEAD START.

If the government desired to help poor families they would put a stop
to shipping decent jobs out of the country. In fact they would do many
things. Expanding Head Start, which by the way is a flop, a failure,
much like you, is hardly going to improve the lot of poor famlies and
make them NOT POOR, you stupid Post.

Since the most atrocious examples of child abuse occur with children
who are
not able to talk, expansion of Preschool would help their little
brains,
stimulate them, and give the impoverished kids an earlier start.

Child abusing and neglecting families don't SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO
PRESCHOOL OR HEAD START you offensive fleck of Pig ****.

Middle class children routinely attend Preschool. Other
industrialized nations
are able to fund such programs.

Yep. That is exactly the problem with your stupid "solution" to child
abuse. You just said, "middle class" when you have just set the
problem as being one for the "poor."

It's sad that Head Start was no help for YEW, Plant. You are too
stupid to squat to pee, apparently.

One dollar expended for Preschool pays off seven fold.

And you know this from which piece of government propaganda? Please
cite, and provide access to that source.

Give kids altenatives to TV, the streets, and a bad environment.

You and Douggie, the Dumbzee Twins, seem to think that child abusers
and those that neglect their children are lined up just waiting to
take their kids to government programs. Without enforcement, nothing
will happen but more emphasis, dollars and staffing, taken from the
ONE THING THAT HAS HELD CHILD DEATH RATES CONSTANT FOR SO LONG....and
enforcment agency with social work concerns.

A police state solution will not work, and is nothing but poorly
disquised Socialism at work. And that is a slope we have already, in
this country, began a stroll upon.

Instead, the government chooses to expand almost worthless, after the
fact
programs, while the rate of child deaths remains the same.

Yep. Considering conditions, conditions that have historically
resulted in more domestic violence, and child abuse and neglect, I'd
say something is holding back the tide...and since CPS is directly
involved and mandated to be, I'd have to guess that constant rate is
the result of some damn effective policies and work by CPS.

Wood Yew care to speculate on other possible causes of this strange
history defying phenomena?

Riding around in cars,

Which is required by their job. Yew have been known to complain they
don't do enough of it...as in visiting children in foster homes. How
are they to get there, bicycle?

They must also show up in court fairly regularly. Possibly a city bus
for transport would work, though having them carrying caserecords on
public transport would tend to make my stomach a bit queasy.

and filing paperwork ,

Last thing I heard those that fail to keep and process records
correctly, that is file paperwork. were a target of Yew and your slimy
crew.

with one size fits all case plans

Odd. I've never seen two case plane (I presume you are talking about
the notorious "service plans") that were the same. In my service to
relatives, who were part of the caseplan from joining in family
support meetings, no plan was ever the same from one client to
another.

Yer fulla**** like your mentor, patron, and all around bull****ting
asshole, Douggie.

do not help OVERSTRESSED FAMILIES AND MOMS.

CPS is NOT mandated to help in that way. Most "overstressed" families
and mom are so because of factors CPS has no control over. While they
can and do direct families and moms to community and government
services that would help to eleviate those stresses, if followed up on
(which often CPS cannot do unless a judge so orders...it being against
certain constitutional rights to do so without such orders) by the
client.

Interesting that CPS does spend so much time exactly what you claim
they don't though. Routinely clients are shepharded to and through
food access programs, public health services programs, well child
programs, early childhood development training, parent training, yet
all YOU jackasses bray about is them being "forced" to participate in
programs they do not want or need.

Yew are all simply a pack of liars, and propagandists, with little
flabby egos trying to pump yourselves up into what you think are
gallant crusading reformer heroes.

You are a laughing stock. I've taken to referring many of my friends
and aquantences and family, many who have had no interest in you or
your bull**** or the issues we discuss, to this ng.

You and your ego flabby friends will be excited to learn we talk about
you, and knowning how badly you need attention, any kind of attention,
you won't mind that the most frequent response is two fold: disgust
and laughter.

Dan was hauled in before ACS numerous times on *false charges*

Yep. And in many other systems of government the agents of social
control would NOT have lost to him. He'd have been lucky to get out
alive. Here, in this system the exits are not only unblocked, but are
set up with big signs pointing to them, if Yew have enough
intelligence and education to READ THEM AND HEED THEM.

Dan obviously does. Yew obviously don't. Nor does the LRG that sits on
his butt for three years refusing to see and act, because he doesn't
want to.

Each of you have a wonderful and unique reason for being so
determindly and arrogantly stupid. It serves each of you well. You get
to babble. Doug gets to pontificate. Greegor gets to sit. bobber the
swift gets to wallow in fundamentalist thinking.

Others have run...and we wish them well sitting in their sick piles of
****. They were either more honest than you, or more stupid and lying
than you and couldn't stand the gaff here.

The truth is you are a stupid, ignorant, mentally ill, and pointely
evil group of little self serving thugs.

ALL you do here is mislead those new folks, parents, that come here
seeking help and run into your garbage. You get to feed of them as the
blood sucking vampires you are.

To invoke Dan's courageous fight, that he won every time, as a banner
for YOU, is sick.

And it's usually assholes just like you that put people such as Dan in
the spot he found himself in again and again. Liars. Mentally ill.
Stupid. Arrogant. Twits.

He got his share and beat them...and I'm not talking about CPS.

But that's his business.

And Yew are MINE, little scumsucker.

Kane

Fern5827 wrote:

Subject: Kane admits spanking legal. Just as I've written.
From: (Fern5827)
Date: 8/26/2004 9:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

The dangers of an inept, undertrained, now privatized CPS agency are far more
fearsome than *good* supposedly gained.

Is CPS now privatized? News to me, but this should make you very happy.
No more of your tax dollars will go towards protection of children
(grin).

96% of what CPS meddles into is NOT SERIOUS.

Where did the 96% come from? Are you making things up again? And who
decides what is serious and not serious in the welfare and safety of
children -- you? Good grief.

Dan confirms the time, money, illegalities that DSS, ACS perpetuated upon his
family for an unfounded accusation.

So Dan's experience described on the ng lead to the above conclusions?
Pretty silly, Fern.

If the government desired to help poor families they would expand HEAD START
and EARLY HEAD START.

If the government desired to help poor families they would fund early
childhood education (Head Start and Early Head Start is only one of many
programs. The government would insure that all children have adequate
health care. The government would insure that all children have a safe
place to live, whether with biological parents or not. The government
would begin paying attention to poor families. Of course, that would
require tax money...and I'm assuming that is what you support.

Since the most atrocious examples of child abuse occur with children who are
not able to talk, expansion of Preschool would help their little brains,
stimulate them, and give the impoverished kids an earlier start.

Lordy, you write stupid things. Preschool doesn't make children verbal.
Sometimes I can't even believe that you have the guts to write what
you did.

Middle class children routinely attend Preschool. Other industrialized nations
are able to fund such programs.

Middle class children do not routinely attend Preschool. Many middle
class children are in child care because their parents are working.
Other industrial nations fund child care, provide health care, and
provide decent parental leave. I guess you now want to pay more taxes
to support a society than cares about children.

One dollar expended for Preschool pays off seven fold.

Yes, it does. for thisDo you vote for an increase in taxes to pay for
this?

Give kids altenatives to TV, the streets, and a bad environment.

Absolutely. And that costs money. Want to vote for policies that will
affect you tax dollars to pay for what you suggest?

Instead, the government chooses to expand almost worthless, after the fact
programs, while the rate of child deaths remains the same.

Excuse me?

Riding around in cars, and filing paperwork , with one size fits all case plans
do not help OVERSTRESSED FAMILIES AND MOMS.

Yes, there are CPS workers that ride around in cars and fill out the
required paperwork while one the road. Take your case up with you
government, and start voting for laws that protect children and
families, and that will actually fund those programs. It's all up to you.


Dan was hauled in before ACS numerous times on *false charges*

We really don't know that, do we?

LaVonne

To invoke Dan's courageous fight, that he
won every time, as a banner for YOU, is sick.

I thought DAN was the one that kept tooting THAT horn!

Now you're acting as his sicofant? How surprising!

Judging from his waffling, I long ago decided that
Dan's "courageous fight" was a grand LEGEND, a
LIE or cover story to sucker innocent parents
into feeding ego and his perverse interests
with their private details.

And it's usually [e.d.] just like you that put
people such as Dan in the spot he found himself
in again and again. Liars. Mentally ill.
Stupid. Arrogant. Twits.

They're called caseworkers.

He got his share and beat them...and I'm not talking about CPS.

ALLEGEDLY. It's all a figment of the INTERNET.

But that's his business.

Really? What's his Tax ID? DUNS number? Licenses?

And Yew are MINE, little scumsucker.

Kane

And your "legend" says you're an adult but your
comments look like you must be some pimply faced
young misfit acting out a catharsis or
Oppositional Defiant Disorder.
Delusions of grandeur, inflated view of your importance,
need to inflate your "legend", etc.
Certainly no social DARLING!

On 4 Sep 2004 01:40:46 -0700, (Greg Hanson) wrote:

To invoke Dan's courageous fight, that he
won every time, as a banner for YOU, is sick.

I thought DAN was the one that kept tooting THAT horn!

Not enough. Despite his pride and well earned congratulations from I
an others, particularly the families he's helped, I don't think he
says it enough.

I suspect he considers it well advertised enough by the attention he
receives from attacks by you and others, most of whom have split this
forum. Gone and happily forgotten.

Since they are in short supply, and you appear to have caught on to
what a fool you make of yourself, not being able to get ONE child back
to her mother, and Dan having succeeded multiple times, and you have
shut up about it for the most part, I think it important to point it
out to any possible lurkers looking for REAL help instead of the
deadly advice that some of you schmucks provide.

Now you're acting as his sicofant? How surprising!

I won't pretend you've made up a word, or that you mean something
else, as you so flaccidly tried with my typo...it's obvious you meant
"sycophant," - A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by
flattering influential people.

Sorry. I don't see how winning Dan's favor, since I already have his
respect...all I need in this world in my relationships...would acrew
to me by recognizing his obvious skills at helping families. But
thanks for your concern for my morals.

Judging from his waffling,

Yes, I know that you think waffling is. NOT fighting CPS in stupid
contrived bumbling repetitious tedious and DANGEROUS TO ALL OTHERS
INVOLVED BUT YOU ways. He seems to be quite skillful at the polite but
powerful undercutting of CPS cases plan execution failures. Damn good
at it in fact.

So yes, he sure does waffle, by not playing at Grand Anti-CPS
Crusader, while slaughtering a mother and daughter.

I long ago decided that
Dan's "courageous fight" was a grand LEGEND,

We've seen you make that decision and try to prove it by argument and
....well, I guess there hasn't been much else. You have proof now that
Dan was lying about his successes?

a
LIE

My my. Then he sure has a large crowd of other bad folks backing his
play. I've communicated with them sans Dan's input, and they make such
outrageous claims, like "We got our daughter back and it was Dan's
work in uncovering and making the right medical information available,
and coaching me NOT to fly off the handle and make threats, and to
tough out the pain, that won the day."

That sort of "LIE," greegor the whore?

or cover story to sucker innocent parents
into feeding ego and his perverse interests
with their private details.

Funny. I've never heard of anyone, including lawyers, or friends, that
could be of any help to someone if they didn't know the "private
details" of the problem under consideration.

Scholars might talk of issues in a general manner but even they must
have some details to make useful comments. Dan is in the trenches. He
does not give advice that endangers the return of a child, or the
status of the families he has helped.

I've seen nothing like your "Motion" come from him, even. Nor have I
ever seen him tell someone to turn away a cop at the door with a CPS
worker. Not without giving some much more carefully thought out
caveat.

And it's usually [e.d.] just like you that put
people such as Dan in the spot he found himself
in again and again. Liars. Mentally ill.
Stupid. Arrogant. Twits.

They're called caseworkers.

YOU, a "caseworker?" Coulda fooled me. I'll be Dan would agree though
that there are at least a few fools like you doing casework. Now in
that I can agree with him. He thinks there are more of them than I
think, but then, we can respect each other without having to agree on
everything, now can't we?

He got his share and beat them...and I'm not talking about CPS.

ALLEGEDLY. It's all a figment of the INTERNET.

No, that "Fig" net, and it's you and The Plant, Douggie, and bobber
the swift.

I've followed Dan's work off the Internet. He's good. The only time
I've seen a family NOT win with his help is when they withheld needed
information from him, or they went against his counsel.

Even then he's managed to pull the chesnuts out of the fire a few
times. But then I don't want to toot his horn too much. Folks could
mistake me for you.

But that's his business.

Really? What's his Tax ID? DUNS number? Licenses?

"Business" as in "concern" or interest.

Sorry I misled you.

And Yew are MINE, little scumsucker.

Kane

And your "legend" says you're an adult but your
comments look like you must be some pimply faced
young misfit acting out a catharsis or
Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

I don't know of any legends about me, though my wife urges me to write
about my life before I kick off. I haven't the hubris for the task
though. I'm too busy living my life to take time off to write about
it, except for the rare anecdote I share with you twist, for analogy
or metaphore.

Delusions of grandeur,

I couldn't be more humble, under circumstances where it is called for.
Nor more "grand" when that is called for, as in challenging you twits,
and deflecting your dangerous treatment of families that come here for
help.

inflated view of your importance,

Hmmmm...let me see now. My rate of success with helping families
probably is close to Dan's, but my total numbers far exceed
his...simply because I've done it almost ten times longer than he has.
Thousands of relatives, and a few bio parents, have reported success
with my help. Do you suppose they are lying to me, some of them yearly
on anniversaries?

need to inflate your "legend", etc.

Geez, I hardly need to inflate it. That stack of cards and letters in
the top drawer of my five drawer behind me are embarassingly
inflating.

My best though is a memory. The grandmother that hugged my neck after
winning and tearfully thanked me for keeping her grandson with her
when CPS was considering a separation because she couldn't handle his
hyperactivity.

All I did was about an hour and a half of coaching for NON-PUNITIVE
PARENTING methods, the little type took to lovingly and happily, for
the first time since she had had him from his drunken father, and
drugging mother.

Now that is embarassingly sweet to me.

Certainly no social DARLING!

She thinks so. She wrote letters about every six months to CPS for
three years to the supervisor and worker in her case, about me and how
I had saved the day for her and her g'son.

CPS already knew about my talents, so all that happened was that when
I ran into the super and worker from time to time they'd just tease me
about the crush grannie had on me. 0;-

I had to call her and ask her to stop. What a sweet lady, and happy
little boy. Relatives...the kind The Plant claims don't get the
kiddies.

Thanks for bringing up those old special memories.

Now you go write another motion.

And don't fret yourself about Dan's world, or mine. We will be just
fine.

By the way, did you or The Plant ever come up with proof that I
claimed spanking was illegal, as It alledges by saying I now admit it
isn't?

Kindly,

Kane

On 4 Sep 2004 01:40:46 -0700, (Greg Hanson) wrote:

To invoke Dan's courageous fight, that he
won every time, as a banner for YOU, is sick.

I thought DAN was the one that kept tooting THAT horn!

Not enough. Despite his pride and well earned congratulations from I
an others, particularly the families he's helped, I don't think he
says it enough.

I suspect he considers it well advertised enough by the attention he
receives from attacks by you and others, most of whom have split this
forum. Gone and happily forgotten.

Since they are in short supply, and you appear to have caught on to
what a fool you make of yourself, not being able to get ONE child back
to her mother, and Dan having succeeded multiple times, and you have
shut up about it for the most part, I think it important to point it
out to any possible lurkers looking for REAL help instead of the
deadly advice that some of you schmucks provide.

Now you're acting as his sicofant? How surprising!

I won't pretend you've made up a word, or that you mean something
else, as you so flaccidly tried with my typo...it's obvious you meant
"sycophant," - A servile self-seeker who attempts to win favor by
flattering influential people.

Sorry. I don't see how winning Dan's favor, since I already have his
respect...all I need in this world in my relationships...would acrue
to me by recognizing his obvious skills at helping families. But
thanks for your concern for my morals and feelings.

Judging from his waffling,

Yes, I know that you think waffling is NOT fighting CPS in stupid
contrived bumbling repetitious tedious and DANGEROUS TO ALL OTHERS
INVOLVED BUT YOU ways.

He seems to be quite skillful at the polite but powerful undercutting
of CPS case plan execution and CW practices failures - policy
discrepancies etc. Damn good at it in fact. Probably better than I,
but my forte is somewhat different.

So yes, he sure does waffle, by not playing at Grand Anti-CPS
Crusader, while slaughtering a mother and daughter and other
innocents. Seems he has a home of his own and an income to live there,
without leeching on a single mom.

I long ago decided that
Dan's "courageous fight" was a grand LEGEND,

We've seen you make that decision and try to prove it by argument and
....well, I guess there hasn't been much else. You have proof now that
Dan was lying about his successes? Pony up.

a
LIE

My my. Then he sure has a large crowd of other bad folks backing his
play and lying for him.

I've communicated with them sans Dan's input, and they make such
outrageous claims, like "We got our daughter back and it was Dan's
work in uncovering and making the right medical information available,
and coaching me NOT to fly off the handle and make threats, and to
tough out the pain, that won the day."

He's a tactical genius, rightly enough. And I'm not exaggerating. I
know what he goes up against with CPS and wins again and again.

That sort of "LIE," greegor the whore?

or cover story

"Cover story?" Like he's not really Dan Sullivan of NY state and is my
sock or I his? Yeah, we've seen that claim, and it's a gas. And the
perpetrators seem to be among the missing here, having embarassed
themselves right out of credibility.

You, of course, being a raving narcissist, aren't the least detered by
issues of ethics or morals and wouldn't know a lie when it bit your
ass, like in your dealings with CPS, g'pa, mom, child etc.

to sucker innocent parents
into feeding ego and his perverse interests

"Perverse?" "Ego?" I sould hope such a pervert would have more folks
ask for his help. And I don't really care how big his ego is...it's
nothing compared to the results. Think about it....a child and a
mother and father reunited...oh wait, you have neither empathy to get
that, or the motivation to make it happen in your situation. After all
you have the mother and her earnings all to yourself. Oh, and the
housetrailer too.

with their private details.

Funny. I've never heard of anyone, including lawyers, or friends, that
could be of any help to someone if they didn't know the "private
details" related to the problem under consideration.

I've seen nothing like your "Motion" come from him, ever. Nor have I
ever seen him tell someone anything like turning away a cop at the
door with a CPS investigator. Not without giving some much more
carefully thought out caveat.

And it's usually [e.d.] just like you that put
people such as Dan in the spot he found himself
in again and again. Liars. Mentally ill.
Stupid. Arrogant. Twits.

They're called caseworkers.

No, actually in his case I think it was nutcases, but then, as I've
said before, that's his business.

But, YOU, a "caseworker?" Coulda fooled me. I'll bet Dan would agree
though that there are at least a few fools like you doing casework.

Now in that I can agree with him. He thinks there are more of them
than I think, but then, we can respect each other without having to
agree on everything, now can't we?

He got his share and beat them...and I'm not talking about CPS.

ALLEGEDLY.

It's allegede that you are on sabbatical, and had no designs on the
body of a six year old girl, as well.

It's all a figment of the INTERNET.

No, that's "Fig" net, and it's you and The Plant, Douggie, and bobber
the swift that ingage in a good deal of fignet.

I've followed Dan's work off the Internet. He's good. The only time
I've seen a family NOT win with his help is when they withheld needed
information from him, or they went against his counsel.

Even then he's managed to pull their chesnuts out of the fire a few
times. But then I don't want to toot his horn too much. Folks could
mistake me for you.

But that's his business.

Really? What's his Tax ID? DUNS number? Licenses?

"Business" as in "concern" or interest.

Sorry to mislead you. I forgot how easy that is to do. Why don't you
ask The Plant and bobber the swift for some coaching on how to get
that little girl back to her mother? I mean of you don't want to use
Dan's proven expertise you certainly can turn to the other experts
here, can't you?

bobber and The Plant between them have a score against CPS
of...of....of....

Guess my memory is going. Could you tote up the total for me, please?

And Yew are MINE, little scumsucker.

Kane

And your "legend" says you're an adult but your
comments look like you must be some pimply faced
young misfit

Oh, youth. I remember it well.

acting out a catharsis

My bowels work just fine thankyouverymuch and of what interest is THAT
to you?

or
Oppositional Defiant Disorder.

ODD? Hmm...never thought about that before. I thought I would be
diagnosed more on the lines of HD, that is I can comfortably juggle
about five things at once in my mind and my real world as well. Notice
how many of you I comfortably beat up in this ng, all at once?

I don't know of any legends about me that I would consider legendary,
though my wife urges me to write about my life before I kick off. I
haven't the hubris for the task though. I'm too busy living my life to
take time off to write about it, except for the rare anecdote I share
with you twits, for analogy or metaphore.

Delusions of grandeur,

I couldn't be more humble, under circumstances where it is called for.
Nor more "grand" when that is called for, as in challenging you twits,
and spotlighting and deflecting your dangerous treatment of families
that come here for help.

inflated view of your importance,

Hmmmm...let me see now.

My rate of success with helping families probably is close to Dan's,
but my total numbers far exceed his...simply because I've done it
almost ten times longer than he has. Thousands of relatives, and a few
bio parents, have reported success with my help. Do you suppose they
are lying to me, some of them yearly on anniversaries?

Gosh, and I considered that help of considerable "importance." Boohoo,
my life's been wasted, I guess.....R R R R R R R R

need to inflate your "legend", etc.

Geez, I hardly need to inflate it. That stack of cards and letters in
the top drawer of my five drawer behind me are embarassingly inflating
all by themselves.

My best though is a memory.

The grandmother that hugged my neck after winning and tearfully
thanking me for helping her keep her grandson with her when CPS was
considering a separation because she couldn't handle his extreme
hyperactivity. This was a run up the walls kid.

All I did was about an hour and a half of coaching for NON-PUNITIVE
PARENTING methods, the little tyke took to happily, and settled down
for the first time since she had had him from his drunken father, and
drugging mother..in nearly six months. It stuck too. They fell in
love, as mother and child are supposed to. She was trying to
"discipline" a damaged child into compliance.

Now that is embarassingly sweet to me. What a win for THEM. And for
the g'ma that courageously tried something new and different for her
in the way of child rearing practice.

Certainly no social DARLING!

She thinks so. She wrote letters about every six months to CPS for
three years to the supervisor and worker in her case, about me and how
I had saved the day for her and her g'son.

CPS already knew about my talents, so all that happened was that when
I ran into the super and worker from time to time they'd just tease me
about the crush grannie had on me. 0;-

I had to call her and ask her to stop. What a sweet lady, and happy
little boy. Relatives...the kind The Plant claims don't get the
kiddies.

Thanks for bringing up those old special memories.

Now you go write another motion.

And don't fret yourself about Dan's world, or mine. We will be just
fine.

By the way, did you or The Plant ever come up with proof that I
claimed spanking was illegal, as It alledges by saying I now admit it
isn't?

Kindly,

Kane