Bill Cosby - NAACP leaders stunned by remarks of prominent comedian

Holger Dansk wrote:
Slouching is very incorrect. It means to walk, stand, or sit with a
slouch. A slouch is a loose or drooping gait or posture. It's usually
indicative of a lazy or incompetent person, who, by the way, may be
called a slouch.

What makes it incorrect? What makes the lack of a slouch superior?

The same thing that makes walking with a drooping gait not the proper
way to walk unless you are trying to look like a clown.

Who are YOU to define what is "proper" and what isn't "proper" in
walking or any other activity, racist?

You stand up straight when you walk.

Does he? How do you know?

lojbab
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 11:44:30 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
Only to those who refuse to accept "different" as equal. In other
words, subhuman racists.

That's people like Bill Cosby and I who do not accept people being so
sorry that they do not pronounce English words correctly and don't care
how they pronounce words.

Cosby did not say that they did not pronounce English words correctly,
nor that they don't care how they pronounce words. He said that the
parents set an example for their kid of how to speak, and it was not
the manner of speech that one would expect from a doctor.

And, that's not only our opinion, but also, the truth.

It is not "the truth", because "correctness" of pronunciation is not
something that is "true" or "false" but rather is merely opinion.

When I say, "To murder someone is wrong." and you say, "Not necessarily, that's just
your opinion.",

Strawman alert.

But would an Iraqi assassinating Saddam Hussein before we invaded have
been "wrong", especially if it prevented our invasion and the
subsequent loss of life? How about our killing Saddam (or bin Ladin)
with a military strike? It would be "murder", but suddenly your moral
absolutes cease to be as certain.

then it tells me that you have a screwed up mind like so
many black people that Cosby mentioned that are in prison.

Nobody much cares what it tells YOU. You are a racist.

That's where
you will end up if you don't change your attitude and get a good sense
of values.

Is someone going to put Bush in prison for ordering the murder of
thousands of Iraqis? To a moral absolutist, that is what he did.

lojbab
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:20:19 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
With all due respect, Cosby has a PhD in education. And if you have ever
listened to him talk, you would know that he is a very smart, thoughtful
person. You do a disservice to him by dismissing him as a comedian.

I'm sure he is very smart, and can make intelligent comments about
education. But the reporting of the gala seems to make it clear that
while his comments had bite, the entertainers who were present were
performing their trade, and one cannot judge a comment without context
as well as sound and video information that would convey whether his
remark was serious, or comedically timed. In particular, the snippets
that were quoted sound like the sort of thing that he says in his
comedy routines, taking real life situations and phrasing them in
exaggerated but not wholly inaccurate manner. He had a routine about
special education on one of his earliest albums in the 60s which was
just that sort of thing that would sound politically incorrect and
offensive if spoken at an education conference, but was quite funny on
a comedy album. This gala was somewhere in between, probably with
elements of both.

Denial, denial, denial. All you have to do is go to the Google search
engine (www.Google.com) and type in Cosby and "why you ain't" without
the quotation marks and you will fine numerous web sites with the event
on them. He was serious, of course.

I don't deny that he said the things indicated. I think that there is
no way to tell from the printed page and the heavy excerpting whether
his wording was intended to be taken as one would take a prose essay,
or rather as a humorous indication that there is a serious problem.

Man, everyone knows that many black people speak this way. Where you
been, on another planet? It's just common knowledge.

What is "this way"?

Like Cosby says they do, "Why you ain't," "Where you is"..., etc.
That's just a teenie weenie example or just the tip of the iceberg. Of
course, they say poelice instead of police, Presidennnt instead of
President, incidennnt instead of incident, etc., etc., etc.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:24:00 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Joni Rathbun wrote:
Bob, I don't think Cosby would make these remarks *just* to be funny.

I agree.

I believe he was mostly serious tho perhaps a bit exaggerated.

I'm sure that the THRUST of his comments was serious, but the specific
words were probably chosen to try to defuse the tension caused by such
serious statements with a little humor. The fact that he used "crap"
in a sentence describing how the doctor would NOT talk is what struck
me as evidence of tongue-in-cheek.

You are really living in your own little dream world. Look what extent
you go to in order to change the truth into something else that you want
it to be. That's dangerous. Soon, you will not know what is real and
what is not.

The conversation often centers on why things are the way they are
and, perhaps, addressing the symptoms. We hear from the racist
crowd here that blacks are pre-destined for failure as a result
of genetics and IQ. Others rightfully speak out against such
nonsense.

Meanwhile, Cosby and others are saying enough with the accusations
and excuses already; just get out there and make something of yourself.
Ultimately, you are the master of your own reality.

And, being the master, you should speak and walk and sit and behave
correctly and not sound like an idiot when you speak.

I agree entirely.

lojbab

Holger

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Holger Dansk wrote:
You can't even imitate black dialect close to correctly. I'll bet that they could speak your
dialect a lot better than you speak theirs.

Not anyone in their right mind would want to speak like, "'Why you
ain't,' 'Where you is' ..., etc.

Do you have a degree in psychiatry? Why do you claim the expertise to
diagnose who is in a "right mind"? You racists are the nut cases in
my book.

You'll never get anything but a laboring job speaking that way.

Maybe they don't want (or expect) anything but a laboring job. Or
maybe they will speak differently on a job interview.

Is that all the ambition you have?

That may be true for them. So what?

You just want a McJob the rest of your life?

Perhaps, though there are plenty of jobs that pay well and don't
require sophisticated diction.

They should begin immediately to stop speaking the way they do, and try
to speak correctly.

Who are YOU to tell others what they "should" do, racist?

lojbab
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Holger Dansk wrote:
We don't live in Britain, which still has an aristocracy by law. In
this country, all citizens are equal, and to look down on another
citizen for the way they talk is rude and crude.

Bill Cosby is not looking down on anyone.

I know he isn't. But you are, racist.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:25:43 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
Slouching is very incorrect. It means to walk, stand, or sit with a
slouch. A slouch is a loose or drooping gait or posture. It's usually
indicative of a lazy or incompetent person, who, by the way, may be
called a slouch.

What makes it incorrect? What makes the lack of a slouch superior?

The same thing that makes walking with a drooping gait not the proper
way to walk unless you are trying to look like a clown.

Who are YOU to define what is "proper" and what isn't "proper" in
walking or any other activity, racist?

I'm someone who knows the proper way to speak and walk and sit and
behave. I grew up in a home and all of the family knew these things and
associated primarily with other people who do.

You stand up straight when you walk.

Does he? How do you know?

Everyone should stand up straight when they walk.

lojbab

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 12:05:40 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth!"

You also can't be a doctor with the word "crap" coming out of your
mouth.

Oh yes you can. Of course you can. Doctors are very familiar with
crap.

You surely mean "fecal material", or are you an ignorant racist
buffoon. Oops, we know the answer.

They often put on the gloves and stick their finger up a rectum
to feel the prostate, etc. There is nothing holy about a doctor. Over
100,000 people each year are killed by the mistakes of doctors and
nurses.

I was referring to the word, which is not considered a word "properly"
used by an educated person such as a doctor, no matter where he sticks
his hand. When someone complains about someone else's proper speech,
and uses the word "crap" to describe that speech, they are either
being crude or funny, and I doubt that Cosby was being crude.

But you can be a Doctor of Education and a comedian.

Cosby does not have to have a degree of any kind to know right from
wrong. Neither does anyone else.

You don't. You think racism is "right". You think that "crap" is
proper English used by doctors.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:36:57 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

It is not "the truth", because "correctness" of pronunciation is not
something that is "true" or "false" but rather is merely opinion.

Now, do you realize what you are saying? Do you know why we have
dictionaries showing pronunciation? So you think that correct
pronunciation is only an opinion? Wrong. In dictionaries, it is the
most accepted pronunciation that has evolved over a long period of time.

Do you think that right and wrong are not facts but opinions?

If so, it was people like you who committed the atrocities in the Iraq
prisons. Right and wrong are not opinions. They are absolutes.
Unfortunately, the son-of-a-bitches who mistreated the Iraq prisoners,
evidently, had no value system and either didn't know right from wrong
or didn't care. They all said, "I was ordered to do that." That is
totally irrelevant. You stand up for right and do not do wrong
regardless of what any superior officer orders you to do.

If a superior officer had said, "Here, take this sword and cut that
prisoner's head off.", these fools may have done it. You never obey a
superior when he/she is wrong.

Holger

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 18:42:25 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Who are YOU to tell others what they "should" do

I'm like Bill Cosby. We know what proper behavior is.

Holger

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