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Herman Rubin wrote:

In article ,
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:35:26 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

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Oh, so it's okay to sell people into slavery if they owe you money? Gotcha.

I suggest you look at the Mosaic code, about the Hebrew
"slave". A better term would be "indentured servant",
for a period of time, and he could be redeemed. The
anti-slavery amendment permits slavery or involuntary
servitude as a punishment for crime; we would do far
better to use this than incarceration as punishment.

They have the real thing in Mauritania and have had it
for thousands of years in Sudan. Lots of children slaves.

So what? "High" cultures the world over (and particularly in Europe) had
slavery (and children slaves) for thousands of years.

Well, we are talking about now. (today) Who else still has slavery
other than the blacks in Sudan and Mauritania?

See the cited article.

Who else has LEGAL slavery?

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Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these things
without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time to engage in
such endeavors.

One can have wealth and free time without slavery. Private
enterprise seems to do quite well in this regard, and even
non-wealthy groups of people have subsidized their religious,
scholarly, and artistic classes.
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No, Hermann, the only way to have wealth and free time without
slavery is petroleum and robots, even just petroleum requires
the use of SOME slaves, or enslaving everyone part-time, as
the filthy-rich do in America with rental and mortgaged housing
tribute each month, otherwise these rich **** would have to go
get honest work or STARVE as they SHOULD!


Look at the industrial revolution. How much of a role did
slavery have in it? At most, it was a source of income, but
there were other sources.
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Petroelum, and 19th century labor camps, idiot.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Jasper PNL Mfg Co, LTD wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Circe wrote:

So what? "High" cultures the world over (and particularly in
Europe)
had
slavery (and children slaves) for thousands of years. One of the
reasons
that the wealthy in the Greek and Roman culture (who produced
most
of
the
art and literature that we admire today) *were* wealthy was
because
they
relied on slave labor to produce surplus goods and earn their
money
for
them. Wow, what a wonderful achievement, eh?
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Actually no, they bred horrible sadness by the thousands of lives.

were you there ?
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Sure was.


did you actually see this 'horrible sadness' ???
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Oh yes!


Those people's labor for themselves would have done such
incredible
good that it cannot even be fathomed.

'those people' were illiterate.........they would have subsisted,
nothing
more
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They were deprived of their rightful education in that society.
Also, anyway, reading was not much use at that time, a toy, nothing
more.


Instead it fed and clothed and pampered vain plutocrats and
sycophants
who made war to steal from all of Europe.

and incidentally kept 'those people' from starving due to their own
inability to do anything more than simply survive under starvation
conditions
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Nonsense. The slaves did that themselves.


Our rich do the same thing today!!!

so move to 'Da Mudda Lann' where everyone is poor
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Ain't any, you ridiculous lying piece of ****!

the extent of your intellectual bankruptcy is fully exposed by your
remarks
above
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No, it isn't, instead YOUR intellectual NON-EXISTENCE is fully
exposed by your lamely ignorant and useless posturing without
ANY reasoned argument.

your total collapse and surrender is accepted

Holger Dansk wrote in message . ..
On 8 Jun 2004 07:09:10 -0700, (Dirk) wrote:

In either case--why don't you cut the brothers some slack already.
Sheesh. So long as the grammar's ok I don't really care if an
occasional "th" sound comes out like an "f", f'rinstance (a dialect
oddity some black Americans happen to share with Cockneys). Why do
you?

Because I know how bad it sounds and how black people have such low
incomes, and that they could get better jobs if they would speak
correctly, dress correctly, sit and stand correctly, and walk correctly,
etc.

Your beneficence is noted.

Their lives would be so much better.

As would, presumably (perhaps to a lesser extent), many whites who
insist on speaking GA-Cracker English even though they've been exposed
to correct English on TV their entire lives.

Hmm. Perhaps there's a binness opportunity for us here. Elocution
seminars, targeted to certain demographics desperate for a leg up.
We'll start off with some radio spots that are designed to offend the
very people we're targeting, which will result in goo-gobs of free (if
highly negative) publicity. It can't miss.

--Dirk

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:48:47 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:47:03 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:06 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these
things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time
to engage in such endeavors.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot
engage in significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without
surplus food production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability
to produce am agricultural surplus is directly tied to their
geographical location. Asia, Europe, and northern Africa are
better suited, geographically, to surplus food production than
sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many native
Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural
"floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans
aren't smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live
in a better location, agriculturally speaking.

Boy are you mixed up and confused.

I hope you said that to the mirror.

Read Jared Diamond's _Guns, Germs, and Steel_ and get educated, Holger. With
effort, even you can outgrow and overcome racist thinking and
narrow-mindedness.

Evidently, you have been reading "Catcher in The Rye" and other sick
books. Better leave that doo doo alone and help your brothers get their
act together.

Holger
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YOUR head is what's full of "doo doo",
you simpering little piece of racist filth!

Hang in there now. Don't lose all control. Everything's going to be
all right.

I didn't know Barbara had brothers, and SHE isn't black either,
you ****ty little grasping coward!

Okay, cool it now. The truth is hard to take sometimes, but life goes
on. Name calling will not help you.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:46:24 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:06 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these
things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time
to engage in such endeavors.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot engage in
significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without surplus food
production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability to produce am
agricultural surplus is directly tied to their geographical location. Asia,
Europe, and northern Africa are better suited, geographically, to surplus
food production than sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many
native Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural
"floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans aren't
smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live in a better
location, agriculturally speaking.

Boy are you mixed up and confused.
Holger
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Boy are you out of ideas to argue with.

Barbara whupped your ass!

You are really shook up, aren't you? Just relax now. Take your
medication.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

toto wrote:

On 8 Jun 2004 11:57:26 -0500, (Herman
Rubin) wrote:

Look at the industrial revolution. How much of a role did
slavery have in it?

I guess that depends on what you mean by slavery.

The women and children who worked in the garment factories
were effectively slaves. So were the miners who worked in mines
with no standards of safety.

--
Dorothy
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If you have to rent housing, or pay a mortgage most of your life
to be able to PRETEND to "own" a home, and if you did not receive
the right to an existing home from the People's State upon your
birth, which was available to you when you decided to live on your
own, then you are actually just a slave to someone rich who claims
ownership of his unearned share of the world and YOURS TOO, and now
uses you for slave labor to do YOUR work and HIS WORK FOR HIM AS
WELL, so HE doesn't HAVE to, and that's SLAVERY!!

You and the rich guy(s) you serve were both born into the world
naked and stupid. Only you're still stupid if you all haven't
ganged up on the rich yet and taken your share of the world back
from them by violence and further direct threat of violence, and
also by forbidding all the forms of scamming and unerned quest
for wealth without work, that means you all will have to totally
destroy all the speculating/lending/insurance/banking and financial
institutions that preserve the rent/mortgage-slavery system itself.

Even then you will never be free till you make a law that says
that ANYONE who tries to collect money from another person for
living in a home anywhere, or tries to evict another from their
residence, shall be immediately taken from that place by a mob
and they shall be killed with a shot to the head and that their
body will be left right there left on a pike to ROT as an example!!!
Steve

Herman Rubin wrote:

In article ,
toto wrote:

Today, slavery avoids the lable by not asserting legal ownership
of the slaves, but millions of economically and socially vulnerable
people are potential slaves creating a surplus of slave labor.

This is the Marxist approach, also held by many others, that a
person is deserving of a "living wage" just by being there.
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No, they are not, which is why I'm NOT a Marxist.

I'm a Communist who thinks that we are owed our fair share of
control of the earth itself and of the wealth all of our species
has produced by the time of our birth, and that each of us must
be guaranteed a residence that is ours and our use of it is
unhindered as such for living by the People's Government.

However, to eat, we still have to show up for the work that we
authorize by our majority democracy in order to claim a share
of foodstuffs and consumable supplies and utilities, and also
that we must do yet MORE than the agreed "support" labor for
more consumer goods beyond our perishable food and household
supplies and utilities.


This is why it is hard to establish a free society. Freeing slaves
or serfs in many places caused revolts, as the "victims" did not
want the problem of taking care of themselves. Those who want a
government guarantee have the serf mentality, and would like to
make everyone else serfs.
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Slaver-LIES! They want freedom, and they want their freedom
guaranteed and protection from Capitalist Thieves to be guaranteed
as well! Your sort of **** claim otherwise to try to justify re-
enslaving them! Slaves don't want slaves, they want their fair
share for their work, and they want their slavers punished and
deprived of what they stole from them!


In the past, those who did not like the current situation could
go to a place where they could try to impose their views. Alas,
such places no longer exist, and today's totalitarians have
essentially seen to it that they cannot.
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Such as the USA. Now it starts from WITHIN!!
Steve

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:39:06 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:14:15 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

The Greeks had a great civilization. Much greater than the Romans.
They gave us many, many things. Not just some art and some literature.
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Nonsense, they had the money to afford thinkers because they had
slaves once again, but they squandered it and most Athenians wasted
their money on high living, the few thinkers were a tiny minority.

The Greeks were not famous for being rich.
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Which "Greeks", since they were totally different city states with
different laws, customs, and languages?? Sparta were militaristic
morons who served the state as their Gawd. Athenians kept lots of
slaves and lived in indolent luxury, unless, of course, you call
their slaves "Athenian", and then they surely DID NOT!! As for
them being rich, no they did not have plasma TV's backt then,
otherwise the only point you could have been making is ON YOUR HEAD!

Calm down. Everything is going to be all right. Take some of your
medication.

"Ancient Greek ideas about art, architecture, drama, philosophy, and
government greatly influenced Western civilization. Among the most
influential of Greek cultural achievements is the Parthenon in Athens,
an outstanding example of classical architecture. The Greek teacher and
philosopher Socrates affected Western speculative thought and philosophy
with his emphasis on dialogue and rational argument. Greek scientists
developed methods of reasoning to demonstrate mathematic principles.
Greek dramas set structural and thematic styles emulated by great
Western playwrights such as William Shakespeare."
Microsoft® Encarta® Encyclopedia 2002. © 1993-2001 Microsoft
Corporation. All rights reserved.

I don't think there is any mention of that in their history.
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And that's only because YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T READ WORD ONE ABOUT
IT AND *ONLY* GOT WHAT YOU LAUGHABLY THINK YOU "know" FROM THE
MOVIES!!

What movies would that be. I would like to see some movies about
ancient Greece, the world's greatest ancient civilization.

I'm sure that the creators of philosophy and architecture and math and on and on were probably about 10 % of
their culture.
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That's only because you're an idiot! If ANY culture had that many top
level groundbeaking contributors, one, they would have all starved for
lack of other workers to farm and build, EVEN TODAY, and two, if they
HAD magically survived they would have raced ahead of any other
civilization in all of history!!

History makes very little reference to the slaves of the Greeks.

Steve


Their contributions to the world were incredible. You
see, they didn't even have libraries full of books to go and read. They
had to create all of it.
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Nonsense, they based their society on the Minoans of Crete and the
eastern empires they derived from.

But the Minoans did not create anything for them to read about.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:44:38 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:03:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Those people's labor for themselves would have done such incredible
good that it cannot even be fathomed.

They wouldn't know what to do. There would not be anyone to tell them
what to do.
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They knew what to do, they had been doing it FOR their masters for
ages.


Just like the black savages in Africa who have killed so many of the
white farm owners. They worked in the field on some of these farms,
but, after killing the boss, they don't know how to operate the farm so
it just becomes a wasteland or goes back to undeveloped land.

Holger
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Nonsense, the racist friends of white slavers who had worked the
blacks cut off the seed supply, and the republicans here decided
not to help them. Sort of: "If us rich white guys can't own it
all, then nobody can, even the people who deserve to!"

Where in the world did you get that crap?

If you can't see how savage many of the blacks are in Africa, then, I'm
sure people feel sorry for you.

You don't have a correct conception of what is right and wrong.

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:01:04 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:39:36 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Moreoever, the current US President--a white man born with a
silver spoon in his mouth and privileged to have one of the best
educations money can buy--cannot pronounce "nuclear" or
"sovereignty" plus a half dozen other words correctly, regularly
invents words (e.g. "misunderestimate"), and often butchers
grammar and syntax (e.g., "Is our children learning?"), but I
don't hear Holger complaining about that.

Bush speaks excellent English.

You proved my point. As far as you are concerned, all *white* people speak
good English, even when their English is atrocious (aka GW Bush). Thank you
for your honesty.

Just because Bush speaks excellent English does not mean all white
people do.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm