Bill Cosby - NAACP leaders stunned by remarks of prominent comedian

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:44:38 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:03:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Those people's labor for themselves would have done such incredible
good that it cannot even be fathomed.

They wouldn't know what to do. There would not be anyone to tell them
what to do.
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They knew what to do, they had been doing it FOR their masters for
ages.


Just like the black savages in Africa who have killed so many of the
white farm owners. They worked in the field on some of these farms,
but, after killing the boss, they don't know how to operate the farm so
it just becomes a wasteland or goes back to undeveloped land.

Holger
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Nonsense, the racist friends of white slavers who had worked the
blacks cut off the seed supply, and the republicans here decided
not to help them. Sort of: "If us rich white guys can't own it
all, then nobody can, even the people who deserve to!"

Where in the world did you get that crap?
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It's what happened, now they are purging their nation of those they
perceive as likely to cause future problems. People like you all ran
like hell.


If you can't see how savage many of the blacks are in Africa, then, I'm
sure people feel sorry for you.
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You mean your worst bad dream, "ni--ers with AK-47's"?? Sure, scares
the **** out of little racists like you, but what they feel they must
avenge are some extremely serious abuses.


You don't have a correct conception of what is right and wrong.
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They are righting some VERY extreme wrongs, a VERY messy business,
but they will only stop when they are satisfied. And what they are
doing is a result of what was done TO THEM, so it is entirely
explainable and predictable.
Steve

Jasper PNL Mfg Co, LTD wrote:

"Holger Dansk" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:44:38 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:03:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Those people's labor for themselves would have done such incredible
good that it cannot even be fathomed.

They wouldn't know what to do. There would not be anyone to tell them
what to do.
-----------------
They knew what to do, they had been doing it FOR their masters for
ages.


Just like the black savages in Africa who have killed so many of the
white farm owners. They worked in the field on some of these farms,
but, after killing the boss, they don't know how to operate the farm so
it just becomes a wasteland or goes back to undeveloped land.

Holger
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Nonsense, the racist friends of white slavers who had worked the
blacks cut off the seed supply, and the republicans here decided
not to help them. Sort of: "If us rich white guys can't own it
all, then nobody can, even the people who deserve to!"

Where in the world did you get that crap?

If you can't see how savage many of the blacks are in Africa, then, I'm
sure people feel sorry for you.

You don't have a correct conception of what is right and wrong.


Brother Holger;

I feel that poor Stevie is slipping over the edge, and onto that long
slippery slope to becoming a total ranting idiot.

Please, continue in your assistance !

Jasper
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You're merely his sock-puppet.
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:46:24 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:06 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these
things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time
to engage in such endeavors.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot engage in
significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without surplus food
production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability to produce am
agricultural surplus is directly tied to their geographical location. Asia,
Europe, and northern Africa are better suited, geographically, to surplus
food production than sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many
native Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural
"floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans aren't
smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live in a better
location, agriculturally speaking.

Boy are you mixed up and confused.
Holger
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Boy are you out of ideas to argue with.

Barbara whupped your ass!

You are really shook up, aren't you? Just relax now.
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Lame. You lost.


Take your medication.
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Ain't any, you lame ****!
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:48:47 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 09:47:03 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004 08:51:06 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 18:07:31 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
Her point is that the Greeks would not have done any of these
things without slavery, which gave them the wealth and free time
to engage in such endeavors.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

It is not only not ridiculous, it's a fact. A culture cannot
engage in significant intellectual or artistic pursuits without
surplus food production (e.g., wealth). Moreover, people's ability
to produce am agricultural surplus is directly tied to their
geographical location. Asia, Europe, and northern Africa are
better suited, geographically, to surplus food production than
sub-Saharan Africa. (Aboriginal Australians and many native
Americans faced similar challenges and didn't have cultural
"floruits" as a result.) It's that simple. Asians and Europeans
aren't smarter or better than sub-Saharan Africans--they just live
in a better location, agriculturally speaking.

Boy are you mixed up and confused.

I hope you said that to the mirror.

Read Jared Diamond's _Guns, Germs, and Steel_ and get educated, Holger. With
effort, even you can outgrow and overcome racist thinking and
narrow-mindedness.

Evidently, you have been reading "Catcher in The Rye" and other sick
books. Better leave that doo doo alone and help your brothers get their
act together.

Holger
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YOUR head is what's full of "doo doo",
you simpering little piece of racist filth!

Hang in there now. Don't lose all control. Everything's going to be
all right.

I didn't know Barbara had brothers, and SHE isn't black either,
you ****ty little grasping coward!

Okay, cool it now. The truth is hard to take sometimes,
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You have no "truth", you're incapable of it.
Steve

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:58:10 GMT, Holger Dansk
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:05:20 -0500, toto wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 23:28:05 GMT, Holger Dansk
wrote:

You proved my point. As far as you are concerned, all *white* people speak
good English, even when their English is atrocious (aka GW Bush). Thank you
for your honesty.

Just because Bush speaks excellent English does not mean all white
people do.

Bush doesn't speak excellent English though. He cannot pronounce
nuclear (neither could some other presidents). He uses incorrect
words. His tenses don't agree with the subjects or objects in his
sentences. Aside from that his words don't even make sense when
he speaks *off the cuff.*

Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas anymore.


Wizard of Oz was a movie, silly boy. I've never actually been to
Kansas myself.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:47:08 GMT, Holger Dansk
wrote:

Well, you probably didn't go to school, but, if you did, you would
probably see that, when you study Ancient Greek Civilization, very
little is said about slavery. They concentrate on the vast number of
things the Greeks contributed to the world and that western civilization
adopted today.

So, if you didn't learn it in school, it didn't exist?


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 01:57:16 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
History makes very little reference to the slaves of the Greeks.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...greece+slavery

77,500 hits on ancient greece slavery.

Well, you probably didn't go to school, but, if you did, you would
probably see that, when you study Ancient Greek Civilization, very
little is said about slavery. They concentrate on the vast number of
things the Greeks contributed to the world and that western civilization
adopted today.
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In other words, THEY LIE!
Steve

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 10:52:59 GMT, Holger Dansk
wrote:

Laborers can not run businesses. Do you really think that,
if all of the management left a general motors or Ford
plant, then the laborers could just take it over and run it?

Depends on the laborers.

Tthe oldest surviving worker-owned businesses of any size
in the United States, the plywood co-ops in the Pacific
Northwest, were purchased by their employees to avert
shutdowns beginning in the 1930s.

http://www.workerownership.org/history.html

There are about 2500 majority employee-owned companies
in North America which employ more than 1.5 million workers.
While some 200 of these companies were bought to avert
shutdowns, the overwhelming majority…90% or more…have
been profitable plants or firms bought by employees from
retiring owners or from larger corporations divesting a plant
or division.

While these firms comprise only a tiny sector within the
overall economy of the United States and Canada, they
compete successfully with conventional companies in the
market economy. Participatory employee-owned firms
appear, in fact, to systematically outperform conventionally
owned companies. There is considerable evidence that
they have both higher rates of reinvestment than competitors,
and also higher rates of total employee compensation.

This experience suggests three lessons:

1. Firms which are substantially employee owned, and
which involve their employees in decisions, systematically
outperform their conventional competitors.
2. Employee ownership is part of a successful strategy
to anchor capital in high wage areas.
3. Employee-owned firms tend to secure jobs, both
because they prioritize jobs and because they appear to
have higher rates of reinvestment than comparable
conventional firms.

The keys to creating successful, democratic employee-owned
businesses include the structure of ownership of the firm, the
structure of worker participation in decision making, and the
provision of training so employees can take an informed role
as owners. Their consequence is the creation of a culture of
ownership in firms in which ordinary workers know they are
owners, benefit from ownership, are informed like owners,
have opportunities for input, and consequently, act like
owners.

The best of these firms are reinventing the way North America
does business in the globalized economy. They outperform
their conventionally owned competitors, while anchoring
capital and high-wage jobs in the community.

--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:54:01 GMT, "Jasper PNL Mfg Co, LTD"
wrote:


"Holger Dansk" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 21:44:38 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 01:03:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Those people's labor for themselves would have done such incredible
good that it cannot even be fathomed.

They wouldn't know what to do. There would not be anyone to tell them
what to do.
-----------------
They knew what to do, they had been doing it FOR their masters for
ages.


Just like the black savages in Africa who have killed so many of the
white farm owners. They worked in the field on some of these farms,
but, after killing the boss, they don't know how to operate the farm so
it just becomes a wasteland or goes back to undeveloped land.

Holger
--------------------
Nonsense, the racist friends of white slavers who had worked the
blacks cut off the seed supply, and the republicans here decided
not to help them. Sort of: "If us rich white guys can't own it
all, then nobody can, even the people who deserve to!"

Hehehehehehehe. How ridiculous. Where did you get that clap trap?
That's really silly. Laborers can not run businesses. Do you really
think that, if all of the management left a general motors or Ford
plant, then the laborers could just take it over and run it?
Hehehehehehehehehe.

Get serious. :-)

Holger
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Your giggling evidences your nervousness about your ignorance on
this point!! Boy do YOU need to do some research, BECAUSE EXACTLY
THAT HAS HAPPENED A LOT! Go look-up "worker owned and operated"
on Google!
Steve

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Herman Rubin wrote:

In article ,
toto wrote:

Today, slavery avoids the lable by not asserting legal ownership
of the slaves, but millions of economically and socially vulnerable
people are potential slaves creating a surplus of slave labor.

This is the Marxist approach, also held by many others, that a
person is deserving of a "living wage" just by being there.
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No, they are not, which is why I'm NOT a Marxist.

I'm a Communist who thinks that we are owed our fair share of
control of the earth itself and of the wealth all of our species
has produced by the time of our birth, and that each of us must
be guaranteed a residence that is ours and our use of it is
unhindered as such for living by the People's Government.

However, to eat, we still have to show up for the work that we
authorize by our majority democracy in order to claim a share
of foodstuffs and consumable supplies and utilities, and also
that we must do yet MORE than the agreed "support" labor for
more consumer goods beyond our perishable food and household
supplies and utilities.

Interesting. Do you believe this can be accomplished on a large scale? Do
you think human nature will get in the way?

Slainte,
Fletch