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"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... Holger Dansk wrote: "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message God help you. You are so messed up mentally. Get straightened out quick. Life is too short. You will live it without even knowing what was real and what was not. It seems that it may have been caused by too much lying and being around people who do a lot. -------------------------- People like you. You just got told about your ignorance again, so you explode in insult instead of accepting your ignorance and trying to become educated. Steve In what way did I get told, and told what? The ancient Greek civilization put vowells in language. Of course, that means written nguage, ---------------- One of many which did at about the same time. Other languages, like the Asian languages, used syllabic symbols that had always included their pronunciation of both. Yet other written scripts always had vowels. You're a nutcake if you think Greeks were either amazingly advanced or not a cultural backwater. Whathisname keeps talking about noises that people made with their mouths from the Neanderthal on up. He has many loose screws. Most animals make noises and I suppose he would say they are using vowells. That's laughable. Let's get real. We are talking about written vowells here. --------------- Written vowels began as diacritical marks around consonantal symbols. They were optional, as in early Greek and Hebrew. Later the need to spread language widely to different dialects made it necessary to spell the vowels out, to combat deviant pronunciations in dialects. Prior to that written language was a shorthand using only consonantal symbols. That's the only kind you can have when you are speaking about the first civilization to put vowells in language. ----------- Don't be stupid, all language has vowels, you can't even SPEAK consonants without vowels!! We do not have CDs of people speaking thousands of years ago. --------------------- No, we have treatises on speech written by those people who tell us how they spoke, in many cases. By the way, I have wondered why and how the Greeks were so far ahead of all of the other civilizations in practically everything when they didn't have any previous civilizations to learn from. ----------------------- You're nothing but a ****ing idiot. None of that is true. They were neither far ahead, nor deprived of prior sources of culture. I think there is a possibility that they learned from the Sumerians, the most ancient of the civilizations, who may have had visitors from space (aliens) that they learned from. ------------------- God, you're an insane ignorant idiot. The Sumerians believed that the earth was round and that the planets (they said there are 12) revolved around the sun. Thats thousands of years before Galileo and other astronomers learned anything about it and before Columbus, in 1492 proved that the earth is round. -------------------------- The Greeks and Egyptians both knew the world was round, as did other early societies. How else could these ancient people figure out the solar system, etc. We just recently discovered that there are 10 planets instead of 9. Maybe there are 12. ---------------------------- You're an idiot. You mention my getting educated. Does that mean that you are black. ----------------- What would that have to do with it???? Black people often stress and talk about education as if it's some kind of medal that people get. ------------------ As do little ****-headed retards like YOU do. No, I'm European. You're delusional! A degree is only a license to learn. ------------------- So get one, please!! You clearly don't even have your learner's permit yet! They also talk about reading as if they just learned how to read. Holger ------------------ You act like you know nearly nobody personally!! You're a low-grade moron! Tell me more about me. :-) Holger Steve |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote: We don't KNOW who the person was who first added vowel letters to the alphabet for representing Greek. It might have been... a dark-skinned Copt or Nubian.... In your wet dreamz... (ROTFLMAO) It might have even been an alien from outer space! We don't *KNOW* that it wazn't... |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
"Karl" wrote in message .. . Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 10:41:44 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:29:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: Holger Dansk wrote: On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 13:38:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier wrote: wrote: Reading and writing were invented by whites and Asians. Really? Got any names? Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing. South of the Sahara they were running around chasing wildebeest, etc. What do you think they were doing in Northern Europe in 3000 BC? Well, in about 2560 BC, north of the Sahara, (We were talking about Africa, not northern Europe.) You were talking about "whites and Asians". I want to know what you think all the rest of the whites and Asians were doing while the Copts (who were mixed race and possibly black, but were certainly NOT "Caucasian" or "Aryan" or "Indo-European" which are common alternative names for "whites") were doing their thing. Well, they certainly were not playing with dung beetles and chasing wildebeest. You're right. Here in Northern Europe they were playing with stag beetles and running away from bears. Until the Romans brought civilisation, thousands of years later. Most of civilized things about Roman culture came from the Greeks after the Romans conquered Greece. The Romans were good at killing people and they were good plumbers. In public restrooms in Rome everyone used the same sponge on the end of a stick to wipe there ass. It was kept emersed in a container containing saline solution. Holger ---------------- Wrong! They'd have had typhus almost immediately. They brought their OWN sponges! Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
It seems like you just want to argue. The Greeks were maybe the first civilization to add vowels to their alphabet. Their language was written with their alphabet. ---------------------- Nope, not even "maybe the first", you dip****. So what the hell is your problem? You just want to play around with semantics and argue about practically nothing. ------------------------ No, just your LIES! Try to remain rational. My dad once told me, "Very few if any economist are millionaires." ----------------------- You're "dad" was an illiterate indigent *******. In other words, they, evidently, are unable to separate the essential things from the unessential, or the important from the unimportant. ------------------------- That would be you. If you ramble around talking about Shakespeare's spelling, etc., an all sorts of ramifications you will miss the point or the important thing or things. Holger ----------------- You ain't no ****ing Shakespeare! Steve "Circe" wrote in message news:UsJvc.38277$oi5.10973@fed1read07... Holger Dansk wrote: On 3 Jun 2004 11:12:35 -0500, (Herman Rubin) wrote: In article , Holger Dansk wrote: On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe" wrote: Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have vowels in it? I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was. At most, you can claim that Greek was the first language to have an ALPHABETIC system of writing with all vowels being EXPLICIT. One could make a case for this, but at least the Indian alphabet independently introduced vowels, and I do not believe that the Persian alphabet of the Behistun Rock, which does have vowels, is based on the earlier Semitic one. At least Grotefend did not find that to be the case when he deciphered the inscription. snip quote which has no relevance to the subject at hand These knuckleheads keep talking about spoken language which began about 30,000 years ago. Blink Bob and I (and Herman) have referred to languages like Hebrew, Sanskrit, and Chinese. We have not remotely suggested that any of those languages is 30,000 years old. Bob and I *have* stated that vowel sounds are a component of all human languages and have therefore presumably been present in human language since its earliest development. There is *no* exstant human language that does not consist of both consonant and vowel sounds, whether it was ever committed to a native writing system by its speakers. It is highly unlikely that any human system of verbal communication could have been produced without the existence of vowel sounds given that no language exists now that does so. Whether or not the vowel sounds are represented in *writing* has nothing, therefore, to do with whether vowel sounds are present in language. (Hawaiian was never committed to a native writing system, for example, yet it clearly has plenty of vowel sounds in it!) I wonder if they even know what a vowel is? For their information, the modern English vowels are a, e, i, o, and u. Wrong again. You confuse the symbol with the symbolized. A vowel is a kind of sound, distinct from a consonantal sound; the letters you have written are merely symbols for representing those sounds. Moreover, in English, the alphabetic symbols for the vowels do not have a one-to-one correspondence with the *sounds* they can represent: a can be either an "ah" sound or an "ay" sound; e can be "eh" or "ee" or unpronounced, and so on. Oh, and you forgot "sometimes y". These are letters that are written, and they should have learned how to write some letters in the first grade. And we all learned to say them years before we learned to write them. Ergo, there is no relationship between *written* vowels and *spoken* ones. Ergo, you are full of ****. But then, we all knew that already. -- Be well, Barbara All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman x |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
So you are black and all of this arguing has been because of the sub saharan savages and the fact that the Greeks were not black. Give me strength. :-) --------------- We're not black. You're an ignorant racist little piece of ****. Well, I finally know where you are coming from. You are one of these people in America that Bill Cosby is talking about and you are upset. ------------------- We're not black, and Cosby is ignorant. Well, I haven't told you about the American negro have I? I just told you about the ones in Africa that are savages in every sense of the word. -------------------------- Since you've never studied such a thing, you're BOTH wrong AND lying! Why didn't you say from the very beginning that you have a seething hatred for white people who tell the truth about blacks? ------------------ Merely your lie. Listen to Bill Cosby. He is not white and he will tell you the truth about blacks and he's talking about the ones here in America, and not the savages in Africa. I'm sure Bill would not even want to discuss those in Africa. Holger -------------------------- Cosby is an ignorant racist piece of crap. Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
You are mad because I told the truth about savages in Africa. ----------------- You wouldn't know the truth if it ****ed on you! Well, Bill Cosby will tell you the truth about savages in America. :-) Holger ----------------- Ain't any. Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
Well, all I would have to do is put my opinion on my web site, and since it would be in writing and all of you blacks who have recently learned to read seem to think that, if it's in writing, then it's true, you would believe my opinions. ----------------------- You're a sick distorted racist piece of ****. Steve |
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Holger Dansk wrote:
"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message ... Holger Dansk wrote: "R. Steve Walz" wrote in message God help you. You are so messed up mentally. Get straightened out quick. Life is too short. You will live it without even knowing what was real and what was not. It seems that it may have been caused by too much lying and being around people who do a lot. -------------------------- People like you. You just got told about your ignorance again, so you explode in insult instead of accepting your ignorance and trying to become educated. Steve In what way did I get told, and told what? The ancient Greek civilization put vowells in language. Of course, that means written nguage, ---------------- One of many which did at about the same time. Other languages, like the Asian languages, used syllabic symbols that had always included their pronunciation of both. Yet other written scripts always had vowels. You're a nutcake if you think Greeks were either amazingly advanced or not a cultural backwater. Whathisname keeps talking about noises that people made with their mouths from the Neanderthal on up. He has many loose screws. Most animals make noises and I suppose he would say they are using vowells. That's laughable. Let's get real. We are talking about written vowells here. --------------- Written vowels began as diacritical marks around consonantal symbols. They were optional, as in early Greek and Hebrew. Later the need to spread language widely to different dialects made it necessary to spell the vowels out, to combat deviant pronunciations in dialects. Prior to that written language was a shorthand using only consonantal symbols. Look in any good encyclopedia or on any reliable web site and you will see that the Greeks were the first to put vowels in language. ------------------ Nope. Never happened that way! That's the only kind you can have when you are speaking about the first civilization to put vowells in language. ----------- Don't be stupid, all language has vowels, you can't even SPEAK consonants without vowels!! Again, we are not talking about all of the grunting and screeching and noise that people made. A dog barking or a cat that meows can sound like a vowell. We are talking about WRITTEN language. Please get that through your noggin. --------------------------------------- You're a low-grade moron. Steve By the way, I have wondered why and how the Greeks were so far ahead of all of the other civilizations in practically everything when they didn't have any previous civilizations to learn from. ----------------------- You're nothing but a ****ing idiot. None of that is true. They were neither far ahead, nor deprived of prior sources of culture. I think there is a possibility that they learned from the Sumerians, the most ancient of the civilizations, who may have had visitors from space (aliens) that they learned from. ------------------- God, you're an insane ignorant idiot. The Sumerians believed that the earth was round and that the planets (they said there are 12) revolved around the sun. Thats thousands of years before Galileo and other astronomers learned anything about it and before Columbus, in 1492 proved that the earth is round. -------------------------- The Greeks and Egyptians both knew the world was round, as did other early societies. How else could these ancient people figure out the solar system, etc. We just recently discovered that there are 10 planets instead of 9. Maybe there are 12. ---------------------------- You're an idiot. You mention my getting educated. Does that mean that you are black. ----------------- What would that have to do with it???? Black people often stress and talk about education as if it's some kind of medal that people get. ------------------ As do little ****-headed retards like YOU do. No, I'm European. You're delusional! A degree is only a license to learn. ------------------- So get one, please!! You clearly don't even have your learner's permit yet! They also talk about reading as if they just learned how to read. Holger ------------------ You act like you know nearly nobody personally!! You're a low-grade moron! Steve |
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"Holger Dansk" wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message .. . "Holger Dansk" wrote: It seems like you just want to argue. The Greeks were maybe the first civilization to add vowels to their alphabet. Their language was written with their alphabet. Hurrah. He finally makes a correct statement. So what the hell is your problem? You just want to play around with semantics and argue about practically nothing. Try to remain rational. I am quite rational. I am not a racist slime. So you are black Not that I know of. Somewhere back in ancient history, there may be a black ancestor I am unaware of that qualifies me under the one drop rule. But that may be true for you too. Well, I finally know where you are coming from. You are one of these people in America that Bill Cosby is talking about and you are upset. Nope. Well, I haven't told you about the American negro have I? I just told you about the ones in Africa that are savages in every sense of the word. You have told me that you are a racist slime. You don't *know* anything that you can tell me about other than that. Why didn't you say from the very beginning that you have a seething hatred for white people who tell the truth about blacks? No. I have a seething hatred for subhuman racist slime. I tell the truth about blacks: They are human beings. Listen to Bill Cosby. I've probably been doing so longer than you. 1964, I believe, is when I first listened to him. He is not white and he will tell you the truth about blacks He hasn't ever spoken to me, and I have no reason to believe he will tell me anything. He tells other blacks some things that reflect his opinion about their behavior. I agree with much of what he says. But I don't agree with much of what you say, because you are an ignorant racist slime. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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"Holger Dansk" wrote:
Your opinion is worthless. Well, all I would have to do is put my opinion on my web site, and since it would be in writing Why would your website be more "in writing" than your ignorant Usenet posts, idiot? and all of you blacks who have recently learned to read seem to think that, if it's in writing, then it's true, you would believe my opinions. Such illogic and false assumptions are why you are labeled subhuman racist slime. I warn you, maybe 50% of the web sites are not reliable. There's all kinds of doo doo out there. Correct. Nothing like having the education and intelligence to sort out valid information from crackpot theories like those of Sitchin. If I were you, I wouldn't let people know that you were assaociated with Logical Language Group. I am. That's like saying that you went to University of Wdowee, etc., or that you like negro phonics or whatever that damn fool crap that the Washin But it is not like your repetitious admission that you are a subhuman racist slime. lojbab -- lojbab Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org |
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