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"greccogirl" wrote in message
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Stupid remarks for anyone to make. Black Savage indeed. While I do not
agree with you Steve on reparations and a lot of what you say,
definitely there is racism and here is a good example.

Go to the Sudan and Somalia and you'll see some savages living in towns.
And, you will know they are savages. You will be lucky to get out alive.
The blacks in Sudan have lots of black slaves, etc.

Holger

R. Steve Walz wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:


black-savage-Ethiopian-American women
Holger


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You're a racist **** and you deserve to be killed.

Ignore this racist asshole.
Steve

"Freakazoid" wrote in message
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Who's yer daddy, boy?!

King of SCAA

plonk Another King of Scum sockpuppet representing a lying ignorant
cowardly anonymous racist idiot into the poop bucket.

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
So far as a civilization being far superior to all of the rest, not anyone even
came close to the anchient Greeks.

Since their civilization was destroyed, it must either not have been
stable, or it must have been inferior to that which destroyed it. But
you can go try to live in the Parthenon if the present Greek
government will let you.

lojbab
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lojbab
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(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
He keeps rambling on and on about the sounds that people made and calls them
vowels. Well, lions and monkeys and dogs and hyenas, etc., all make sounds
and he could call them using vowels.

If you are going to have a conversation about vowels being used in a language
then you have to know what the vowels are

Then why don't you learn.

Main Entry: vow·el
Pronunciation: 'vau(-&)l
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French vouel, from Latin vocalis -- more at VOCALIC
1 : one of a class of speech sounds in the articulation of which the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
oral part of the breath channel is not blocked and is not constricted
enough to cause audible friction; broadly : the one most prominent
sound in a syllable


and you have to be able to write the language

You do not need to be able to write the language to talk about speech
sounds in that language. Need I demonstrate by discussing the vowels
of Greek, which is not a language I can speak, much less write using a
Latin keyboard.

and that requires some kind of alphabet. The Greeks added vowels
to the alphabet.

Which is different from adding them to the language, since the
alphabet is not the language. "The map is not the territory" is a
relevant quote (Alfred Korzybski).

The Greeks didn't grunt and growl and snort like savages.

Of course they did.

They spoke.

So did the savages.

Now if you had said "barbarian", you might have made some sense:
http://www.crystalinks.com/barbarians.html
The term "Barbarian" is Greek in origin. The Greeks originally levied
it at the peoples of Northern Europe because to them, the harsh
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"barking" sound of their speech sounded to them like "Bar-bar-bar."
Since these strangers from the north did not understand classic
Greek, the Greeks believed them to be "illiterate." The term also
came to mean "stranger" or "wanderer," since most of the Barbarians
with which they came in contact were nomadic (the Goths, for
example).

To the people of ancient Greece and Rome, a Barbarian was anyone who
was not of their extraction or culture.

which of course means that to the Greeks, the Romans were barbarians,
and to the Romans, the Greeks were barbarians.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
Which is totally irrelevant. Language is primarily a spoken
phenomenon. Alphabets are merely one way to write down a language to
preserve it in readable form.

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them had
NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless.

Well, we are not talking about grunts and snorts and growls that people made.

No. We are talking about the languages that they spoke, which all have
vowels.

We are speaking of the probably the first people to put vowels in the alphabet.
They were written down. I know savages can not read and write. Most of them
in America still can't.

There are no savages in America.

The Greeks could read and write very, very well.

How do you know this? Did you travel back in time and administer the
NAEP to each of them?

Whereas most of the dumb people in the rest of the world had not done so yet,

There weren't many dumb people in the world then, or now. Pretty near
everyone is capable of speaking.

You can't
get anywhere with language by growling and snorting a screeching and hissing and
farting, etc.

You can get somewhere by speaking a language.

Well, maybe YOU couldn't.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
From the beginning I have been talking about the Greeks puting vowels in
language, and of course, that meant in their alphabet too since language is written with
letters or symbols in an alphabet.

There are many languages that have no alphabet, and the most widely
spoken language in the world, Chinese, has no alphabet. But it does
have vowels.

We've wandered far from the subject with all of that enough don't you think?

The subject remains that fact that you are a subhuman racist slime,
and ignorant to boot. You of course will respond by proving this
point yet again.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
"greccogirl" wrote in message
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Stupid remarks for anyone to make. Black Savage indeed. While I do not
agree with you Steve on reparations and a lot of what you say,
definitely there is racism and here is a good example.

Go to the Sudan and Somalia and you'll see some savages living in towns.

Contradiction. If they are living in towns, then they are civilized
and therefore not savages.

lojbab
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lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

Just because someone is BLACK does not make them a "savage". I know a
lot of savage whites, too!

Holger Dansk wrote:

"greccogirl" wrote in message
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Stupid remarks for anyone to make. Black Savage indeed. While I do not
agree with you Steve on reparations and a lot of what you say,
definitely there is racism and here is a good example.



Go to the Sudan and Somalia and you'll see some savages living in towns.
And, you will know they are savages. You will be lucky to get out alive.
The blacks in Sudan have lots of black slaves, etc.

Holger


R. Steve Walz wrote:



Holger Dansk wrote:




black-savage-Ethiopian-American women
Holger




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You're a racist **** and you deserve to be killed.

Ignore this racist asshole.
Steve

"Circe" wrote in message
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 12:10:10 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 02:31:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:
wrote:
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Guess those people in Upper Egypt weren't reading and writing.

Mediterranean types were essentially white (as opposed to DAFN).

No. The people of Upper Egypt were also called Nubians. They
conquered and ruled Egypt for a millennium or so.

The pharaohs were Copts.

*Some* of the pharoahs were Copts--after the invention of
Christianity, anyway. In view of the fact that the flowering of
Egyptian civilization preceded the birth of Christianity by
several thousand years, I think it is quite safe to say that the
rulers of upper Egypts between 3500 BCE and about 100 AD were most
certainly *not* Copts or, in fact, Christians of any kind.

The Copts were not Christians when they were pharaohs.

Ah, then you are using Copt in the older, less typical sense. And in that
case, it just means they "Egyptian". The word "Copt" tells us nothing about
skin color or any other features, especially when applied to ancient
Egyptians. Given that the ancient Egyptians represented the skin color of
their pharoahs in art using colors ranging from light brown to black, we
cannot use their artistic representations as any sort of guide. And since
none of us were living at the time, there's no way to tell for certain what
"color" the ancient Egyptian pharaohs were.

What does skin color have to do with the Copts? How is skin color relevant?
There is a coptic church in Roswell. It may be the only one in the Southeast.
ST MARY COPTIC ORTHODOX CHURCH
11450 HOUZE RD ROSWELL GA 300761242
(770) 642-9727

There are about 30,000 copts living today.

Most experts believe the ancient
Egyptians were mixed ethnically with a strong strain of sub-Saharan
influence.

Moreover, of course, being a Christian (Coptic or otherwise) does
not say anything at all about one's ethnicity or skin color.

I don't know what color has to do with it, but I can assure you that
they were not the black-Sub-Saharan-Savages.

I agree. Of course, I reject the entire concept of there being any groups of
people who are "savages" in the first place, whatever their skin color may
happen to be, so I'm pretty easy to assure on that premise.

Well, you better not go to Sudan or Somalia or even Nigeria. There are savages
living in the towns in those places and they will kill you. You may be lucky to
get
out of there alive. Blacks still have many black slaves in Sudan. These
savages live in
a terrible environment, somewhat like Dante's Inferno.

Holger
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"Circe" wrote in message
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Holger Dansk wrote:
On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:22:53 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 15:01:16 GMT, Holger Dansk
wrote:
The fact that people in parts of Africa own slaves
or commit atrocities is equally irrelevant--the civilizations
you admire having created things of "importance" (Greeks,
Romans, et al.) did the same things. Nor are these behaviors
limited to sub-Saharan Africa in modern times.

Well, now, we are talking about today, not thousands of years
ago, etc.

What other countries have slaves today. I'm sure there may be a
few if you look real hard.

Today, black people have black slaves in Mauritania, southwest of
Algeria.

I knew there would be another savage place that had slavery.

De factor slavery still exists in the US. This particular acticle
from February of this year discusses slavery/human bondage in
Florida:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...rafficking.ap/. Of
course, it's not legal, but I'm not sure it's legal in Mauritania,
either.

That's silly. We're not talking about prostitution to pay off
debts, etc.

Oh, so it's okay to sell people into slavery if they owe you money? Gotcha.

They have the real thing in Mauritania and have had it
for thousands of years in Sudan. Lots of children slaves.

So what?

I pity you. You don't see anything wrong with slavery.

"High" cultures the world over (and particularly in Europe) had
slavery (and children slaves) for thousands of years. One of the reasons
that the wealthy in the Greek and Roman culture (who produced most of the
art and literature that we admire today) *were* wealthy was because they
relied on slave labor to produce surplus goods and earn their money for
them. Wow, what a wonderful achievement, eh?

So, is Florida a "savage" place, too?

I'm sure they have doo doo too.

But, that's about all the savages in Africa have produced for
thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years.

Nonsense. From http://www.worldbank.org/afr/finding...sh/find11.htm:
"Africa's rich and varied cultural heritage finds expression in a wide
variety of arts and crafts.

Did they carve things out of doo doo? :-)

Holger

Cultural property is preserved in
paleontological, archaeological, historical, and sacred sites, as well as in
museums, residences, and the daily life of the people. African archaeology
traces the history of human evolution from its very beginning, recording
such significant cultural achievements as the development and use of tools,
the independent invention of agriculture, long distance trade, fine arts as
illustrated by early rock paintings, metalworking, and urban settlements.
Contemporary architecture, paintings, sculptures, textiles, and other
cultural artifacts draw on a rich variety of traditions, many of which are
still an integral part of daily life.

Many thousands of cultural sites have been identified in Africa, often
clustered along coastal areas, river basins, or major transportation axes.
Many others may exist unknown to the outside world. Archaeological studies
conducted as part of project environmental assessments can provide valuable
information concerning the nature and distribution of human activity in the
area in ancient times. Such surveys have been conducted, for example, in the
Volta Basin, in the area to be flooded by the Kafue Dam in Zambia, as part
of the Lesotho Highlands Water Project, and for the Tuli Block Roads Project
in Botswana.

The UNESCO World Heritage Convention has been ratified by 28 African
countries, listed in the handbook. Under the convention, international
assistance can be secured by governments to facilitate the protection of
sites that have been registered as World Heritage Sites. Currently listed
World Cultural Heritage sites in Africa include the royal palaces of Abomey,
Benin; the rock churches of Ethiopia; Ashante traditional buildings in
Ghana; the ancient towns of Djenne and Timbuktu and the cliff of Mandiagara
in Mali; the island of Mozambique, Mozambique; Goree Island in Senegal; the
ruins of Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara, Tanzania; and Great Zimbabwe and
Khami Ruins National Monuments in Zimbabwe."
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Me (later)--"You should feel flattered."

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