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Holger Dansk wrote:
Well, you better not go to Sudan or Somalia or even Nigeria. There are savages
living in the towns in those places and they will kill you. You may be lucky to
get
out of there alive. Blacks still have many black slaves in Sudan. These
savages live in
a terrible environment, somewhat like Dante's Inferno.

Holger, have you even read Dante's Divine Comedy? If you had, you
would know that not all parts of the Inferno are equal. In fact,
the very lowest portions are sparsely populated in comparison to
some of the higher levels. Some of the punishments of the
condemned in the highest levels are more amusing then
excrutiating. As Dante and Virgil approach the third circle they
see Francesca and Paolo who are for all eternity bonded together
because they had an incestuous relationship while alive and the
only thing they seem to be able to say was "it wasn't our fault"
(my own rough paraphase).

True, things do get a bit nasty down around level 5, but one must
always keep in mind that through the very depths of the inferno
there is a passage to Purgatory.

Keep in mind also that Dante had a predilection for placing
people he didn't care for in the Inferno. So if you aren't
someone he knew, your chances of being placed there are pretty slim.

"Holger Dansk" wrote:
"Circe" wrote in message
news:lN0xc.58403$oi5.35151@fed1read07...
De factor slavery still exists in the US. This particular acticle
from February of this year discusses slavery/human bondage in
Florida:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/02/...rafficking.ap/. Of
course, it's not legal, but I'm not sure it's legal in Mauritania,
either.

That's silly. We're not talking about prostitution to pay off
debts, etc.

Oh, so it's okay to sell people into slavery if they owe you money? Gotcha.

They have the real thing in Mauritania and have had it
for thousands of years in Sudan. Lots of children slaves.

So what?

I pity you. You don't see anything wrong with slavery.

I pity you. You don't seem to see that prostitution slavery,
especially when compounded with drug addiction (which may not be
voluntary) is just as evil as what you call "the real thing", but what
in fact may not be:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_sud.htm

abduction, and hostage-taking for ransom is simply a crime

forced induction in the army is called the draft, and it is legal here
even while slavery is not.

Both appear to be things that will end when the civil war ends.

Slavery was legally abolished in Mauritania, with promise of
compensation to the former slaveowners. Apparently some of them have
kept the slaves because they haven't received the compensation. This
doesn't make it "right", but it puts things along about where things
might have been in 1875 in the US if there had been no civil war -
something that is ending.

Neither of these situations is "good", but they are not really any
worse than prostitution slavery.

Nonsense. From http://www.worldbank.org/afr/finding...sh/find11.htm:
"Africa's rich and varied cultural heritage finds expression in a wide
variety of arts and crafts.

Did they carve things out of doo doo? :-)

Did they carve your brain out of doo doo?

lojbab
--
lojbab
Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group
(Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.)
Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org

Holger Dansk wrote:

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message
...
"Holger Dansk" wrote:
Your opinion is worthless.

Well, all I would have to do is put my opinion on my web site, and since it
would be in writing

Why would your website be more "in writing" than your ignorant Usenet
posts, idiot?

and all of you blacks who have recently learned to read seem to
think that, if it's in writing, then it's true, you would believe my
opinions.

Such illogic and false assumptions are why you are labeled subhuman
racist slime.

I warn you, maybe 50% of the web sites are not reliable. There's all kinds
of
doo doo out there.

Correct.

Nothing like having the education and intelligence to sort out valid
information from crackpot theories like those of Sitchin.

If I were you, I wouldn't let people know that you were assaociated with
Logical
Language Group.

I am.

That's like saying that you went to University of Wdowee, etc., or that
you like negro phonics or whatever that damn fool crap that the Washin

But it is not like your repetitious admission that you are a subhuman
racist slime.

You really like that "slime" word don't you? It's just sticky mud or a slippery
substance.
Was there a lot of slime in your ghetto?
------------------------
He didn't have a ghetto, you ****-brained racist.


Oh, it was ebonics that I was trying to think of that some damn fool in a school
in Washington
state wanted to begin teaching. Instead of teaching them the proper way to
speak, as Bill Cosby
suggest this damn fool woman wanted to create another language in which they
spoke like
poor ass dumb blacks. Imagine that.
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They already speak a variant of english because of their cultural
deprivation due to poverty and racism. The term "ebonics" is merely
a bad joke, as are you.


Oh, by the way, if I'm black what have I said that is racist.
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You're not black, you're a ****ing white racist.


So far as a civilization being far superior to all of the rest, not anyone even
came close to the
anchient Greeks.
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Then you like ****ing teenage boys, eh?
You're an idiot. You don't know **** about civilization.


If that's racist then fine. It's the truth.
Holger
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It's not, it's just wrong, and you're stupid.
Steve

Freakazoid wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote in
:

FACE wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:10:50 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

It might have been a Greek, or a Phoenician, or
even a dark-skinned Copt or Nubian.

I have always heard that the coptic written language has no vowels and
it is long dead...nobody speaks it any more. So I wonder how they
(You know they, don't you?) determined that it was Ra and not Re or
Ru. I have heard it pronounced 'Rah' and 'Ray' but still spelled in
translation as Ra.

I think that the following answers most of your question, though it is
indirect on the "how they know"
http://www.friesian.com/egypt.htm

The "how" is that they look at what Greek letters were borrowed into
the Coptic alphabet to represent vowel sounds (whereupon "r" started
being written as "ra", and then use the knowledge of Greek
pronunciation of that era. Since Coptic remained a spoken language
until the last couple of hundred years, and is still a liturgical
language (and one dialect is arguably still a spoken language - see
the cite below), it is more like Latin than like ancient Hebrew or
Sumerian in providing us a way of knowing what vowels were used. The
vowels may have changed from some earlier time, and indeed 6000 years
ago, "Ra" might have been pronounced "Ree" or "Roo", but vowel changes
are not random, so those sort of changes are unlikely.

http://www.geocities.com/remenkimi/stshenouda1.htm

lojbab

Hahahahahaha. Yeah, listen to Bob "Usenet's Biggest Idiot" LeChevalier
because he knows everything about everything, especially languages.
Heheheheheh.

Check out this stupid "logical language group" Bob "Usenet's Biggest
Idiot" LeChevalier founded:

www.lojban.org

Hahahahahaha. What a geek LeChump-a-liar is! He spent his entire life
trying to come up with some stupid new language.

Hey Bob, Esparanto failed, you know. Because it was stupid! Just like
you and your stupid langauge! Hahahahahahaha.

Flib norb gooup shlix?

Hahahahahaha.

What a moron!

Who's yer daddy, boy?!

King of SCAA
--------------
Holger, you can't spoof worth ****.
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote in message
...
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:50:09 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:32:43 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Holger Dansk wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe"
wrote:
Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have
vowels in it?

I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Nonsense. It is *impossible* to speak without making vowel sounds.
Period. Vowel sounds are a necessary requirement of human speech.
And Greek is hardly the first language invented by humans, let
alone the first language to be represented by writing. Are you
suggesting that the Egyptians (as just one example), who were
capable of representing names like Osiris and Amenhotep in
hieroglyphs 2000 years before the Greek alphabet was invented, did
not use vowel sounds in their languages or did not have words? Or
that the Chinese, who have been writing their language down
without interruption since 1200 BC (fully 400 years before Homer
and the dissemination of the Greek alphabet) do not now and did
not when they began writing use vowels when they spoke?

All I can say is that you are *sadly* misinformed.

Greek Alphabets

Apart from using the characters of the Greek alphabets as notations
in my maths and science classes, I don't know how to read Greek.
(Sigh. This is a real tragic.) Nor am I a linguist genius, since
English is the only language I know. English is the only language I
can read and write. (Judging by the number of spelling and grammar
errors I had, I haven't even fully mastered English.)

However, I can give you a brief history on the Greek alphabets.

Which is totally irrelevant. Language is primarily a spoken
phenomenon. Alphabets are merely one way to write down a language to
preserve it in readable form.

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them
had NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless. Some, the
Semitic languages, had ways of being written without vowels, because
if you know the language you can figure out the vowels, jst s ths
sntnc s ndrstndbl t mst ppl wh knw nglsh. Some, like Chinese, used
individual symbols for entire words, and thus displayed neither
consonants nor vowels. But written Chinese notwithstanding, Chinese
does have both consonants and vowels.

God help you. You are so messed up mentally. Get straightened out
quick. Life is too short. You will live it without even knowing what
was real and what was not. It seems that it may have been caused by
too much lying and being around people who do a lot. After a while,
you get to where you don't know what is real and what is not. In
other words you get out of contact with reality. Get away from the
people that you have been coming in contact with. Talk to a
psychologist and/or a psychiatrist that knows what they are doing.
Not one of these damn fool black nitwits that went to the University
of Wedowee, or whatever. Make sure they got their degree/degrees
from a school like Emory Univ, Duke, Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth,
Princeton, Univ of GA, etc., etc. Get at least 3 recommendations
from physicians and 3 from others.

You 'forgot' to address his point. I suspect you have realized how
amateurish your original 'vowel' ideas were. This is a good thing. No need
to base your beliefs on nonsense.

He keeps rambling on and on about the sounds that people made and calls them
vowels. Well, lions and monkeys and dogs and hyenas, etc., all make sounds
and he could call them using vowels.

If you are going to have a conversation about vowels being used in a language
then you have to know what the vowels are and you have to be able to write
the language and that requires some kind of alphabet. The Greeks added vowels
to the alphabet. Why does what'shisname find that so hard to understand?
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Because it's WRONG, moron.
Steve

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Holger Dansk wrote:

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message
...
"Holger Dansk" wrote:
Your opinion is worthless.

Well, all I would have to do is put my opinion on my web site, and
since it
would be in writing

Why would your website be more "in writing" than your ignorant Usenet
posts, idiot?

and all of you blacks who have recently learned to read seem to
think that, if it's in writing, then it's true, you would believe my
opinions.

Such illogic and false assumptions are why you are labeled subhuman
racist slime.

I warn you, maybe 50% of the web sites are not reliable. There's all
kinds
of
doo doo out there.

Correct.

Nothing like having the education and intelligence to sort out valid
information from crackpot theories like those of Sitchin.

If I were you, I wouldn't let people know that you were assaociated
with
Logical
Language Group.

I am.

That's like saying that you went to University of Wdowee, etc., or
that
you like negro phonics or whatever that damn fool crap that the
Washin

But it is not like your repetitious admission that you are a subhuman
racist slime.

You really like that "slime" word don't you? It's just sticky mud or a
slippery
substance.
Was there a lot of slime in your ghetto?
------------------------
He didn't have a ghetto, you ****-brained racist.

really witty rejoinder there, BOY



Oh, it was ebonics that I was trying to think of that some damn fool in
a school
in Washington
state wanted to begin teaching. Instead of teaching them the proper way
to
speak, as Bill Cosby
suggest this damn fool woman wanted to create another language in which
they
spoke like
poor ass dumb blacks. Imagine that.
-------------------------------
They already speak a variant of english because of their cultural
deprivation due to poverty and racism. The term "ebonics" is merely
a bad joke, as are you.


Oh, by the way, if I'm black what have I said that is racist.
-----------------------------
You're not black, you're a ****ing white racist.

ohhhh how original



So far as a civilization being far superior to all of the rest, not
anyone even
came close to the
anchient Greeks.
------------------------------
Then you like ****ing teenage boys, eh?
You're an idiot. You don't know **** about civilization.

but you seem to be an expert about who prefers teenage boys, isn't that
right, Rump-Ranger ?


If that's racist then fine. It's the truth.
Holger
----------------------------------------
It's not, it's just wrong, and you're stupid.

and you're still a clue-less whigger

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Freakazoid wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote in
:

FACE wrote:
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 12:10:50 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

It might have been a Greek, or a Phoenician, or
even a dark-skinned Copt or Nubian.

I have always heard that the coptic written language has no vowels and
it is long dead...nobody speaks it any more. So I wonder how they
(You know they, don't you?) determined that it was Ra and not Re or
Ru. I have heard it pronounced 'Rah' and 'Ray' but still spelled in
translation as Ra.

I think that the following answers most of your question, though it is
indirect on the "how they know"
http://www.friesian.com/egypt.htm

The "how" is that they look at what Greek letters were borrowed into
the Coptic alphabet to represent vowel sounds (whereupon "r" started
being written as "ra", and then use the knowledge of Greek
pronunciation of that era. Since Coptic remained a spoken language
until the last couple of hundred years, and is still a liturgical
language (and one dialect is arguably still a spoken language - see
the cite below), it is more like Latin than like ancient Hebrew or
Sumerian in providing us a way of knowing what vowels were used. The
vowels may have changed from some earlier time, and indeed 6000 years
ago, "Ra" might have been pronounced "Ree" or "Roo", but vowel changes
are not random, so those sort of changes are unlikely.

http://www.geocities.com/remenkimi/stshenouda1.htm

lojbab

Hahahahahaha. Yeah, listen to Bob "Usenet's Biggest Idiot" LeChevalier
because he knows everything about everything, especially languages.
Heheheheheh.

Check out this stupid "logical language group" Bob "Usenet's Biggest
Idiot" LeChevalier founded:

www.lojban.org

Hahahahahaha. What a geek LeChump-a-liar is! He spent his entire life
trying to come up with some stupid new language.

Hey Bob, Esparanto failed, you know. Because it was stupid! Just like
you and your stupid langauge! Hahahahahahaha.

Flib norb gooup shlix?

Hahahahahaha.

What a moron!

Who's yer daddy, boy?!

King of SCAA
--------------
Holger, you can't spoof worth ****.
Steve

little Stevie ****** trots out the sock-puppet excuse

Holger Dansk wrote:

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote:

Every language of the world before Greek had vowels. Most of them had
NO way of being written, but they existed nonetheless.

Well, we are not talking about grunts and snorts and growls that people made.
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Nobody is.


We are speaking of the probably the first people to put vowels in the alphabet.
They were written down.
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Nonsense. There were a huge number of written languages with vowels
before the Greeks. The script of India predates the Greeks by several
THOUSAND years, and Asian phonetic pictogramic scripts are also. So
are Mayan syllabics and Egyptian syllabics.


I know savages can not read and write.
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There are NO such things as "savages". That's just what groups call
other groups they don't like, it's not a defined anthropological term.


Most of them
in America still can't.
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You must mean ignorant illiterate **** like YOU, racist ****!


The Greeks could read and write very, very well.
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Nonsense, most of them could not write at all, only their elite and
slaves who were trained as scribes.


Whereas most
of the dumb people in the rest of the world had not done so yet, they put vowels
in the
alphabet by writing them down, and not by grunting and snorting and growling,
etc. You can't
get anywhere with language by growling and snorting a screeching and hissing and
farting, etc.

Holger
---------------------
You're a complete idiot.
Steve


Some, the Semitic languages, had ways of being written without vowels, because
if you know the language you can figure out the vowels, jst s ths
sntnc s ndrstndbl t mst ppl wh knw nglsh. Some, like Chinese, used
individual symbols for entire words, and thus displayed neither
consonants nor vowels. But written Chinese notwithstanding, Chinese
does have both consonants and vowels.

lojbab

Holger Dansk wrote:

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 13:33:07 -0700, "Circe" wrote:

Um, are you suggesting that Greek was the first language to have vowels in
it?

I'm not suggesting it but saying that it was.

Holger
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You need a course in linguistics - written vowels were merely written
first by the Indians and Greeks, and before that written language was
merely a form of consonantal shorthand for speech. It doesn't mean
people didn't SAY the vowels!!!

We are talking about vowels that are written down.
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So are we, you idiot.


After all, animals growl and
grunt and screech and bark and make all kinds of sounds you could call vowels.
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Irrelevant.


The Greeks wrote them down.
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Yes, they just weren't the first BY THOUSANDS OF YEARS!


Now, I'm getting tired of saying that.
Holger
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You should be tired of being wrong, but that doesn't seem to
bother you at all!
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

"Fletch F. Fletch" wrote:

But did you finally get the idea that the conclusions you were drawing were
based on a complete misunderstanding of this whole subject?

From the beginning I have been talking about the Greeks puting vowels in
language,
and of course, that meant in their alphabet too since language is written with
letters
or symbols in an alphabet.
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Gee, so are we. But I guess you don't know other alphabets.


Now, please lets not get into noises that the dinosaurs made were vowels and
people
who didn't know how to spell and people who wrote with pictures, and on and on
and on.
We've wandered far from the subject with all of that enough don't you think?

Holger
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We wouldn't bother, that's YOUR irrelevant hobby-horse!
Steve