911 call: Mom makes me do HOMEWORK!

Greegor wrote:
Is this the nature of Childrens Rights?
Empowerment to call the Cops rather than doing HOMEWORK?

Why must it be "rather than do HOMEWORK?"

Do you really think that's why he called?

Explain your exquisitely fine understanding of children and their
development that would support that he maliciously called the cops on
him mom over homework, rather than because he was frightened at being
alone.

You might want to return the attributions you aborted, so that we can
understand your thinking by comparing it to the story itself.

It's interesting to watch you and Michael falling apart.

At one time there was a semblance, at least, of some kind of vaguely
logical response or an attempt to come up with something.

Now it's just blatant bald faced lies, and all out attack.

And oddly enough, it seems to be coming at a time I'm questioning you
about you being a CPS agent sent here to disrupt this newsgroup and
divert people from finding help to get and keep their children out of
CPS clutches.

You two have gone after just about everyone that has proven capable in
fighting CPS successfully. Or newcomers seeking information.

Interesting, isn't it. Odd. Weird. Strange. ... You getting my drift
here, boy?

To an honest person that can think for themselves certain questions
about your behavior -- you, Michael and assorted socks of yours, come to
mind, such as, just why all this thrashing about you are doing?

All it does, Greg, when people see this blatant lying of yours, is lend
myself, Dan, Kim, Betty, far more credibility than we could manage to
gain alone.

You drive people right to us, Greg.

As an agent you aren't earning your pay, but you do get a raspberry for
trying real real hard.

Don't take down any airplanes, old boy.

0:-

0:- wrote:
dragonsgirl wrote:
"Greegor" wrote in message
ups.com...
LaVonne wrote
The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
little child.
Instead of trying to change the subject Betty, please try
to address this issue.

Do you find anything odd about LaVonne's statement?

Who is changing the subject?
That IS the subject, is it not?
A child of ten capable of being left home alone?
Right?
And it appears to me that you think a ten year old is ready for that
responsibility...so I'm curious to know why you believe THAT, but don't
think a seven year old can take a bath alone without the help of a grown
man.
How DO you justify those two obvious differences in level of responsibility
vs age?

No connection whatsoever. You don't seem to understand the Perv mind,
Betty.

Well, I guess you are lucky at that. Having worked with them in mental
health I understand them and their denial quite well.

0:-

Well, I guess I'm lucky in that.
Wouldn't want to understand.

Greegor wrote:
Is this the nature of Childrens Rights?
Empowerment to call the Cops rather than doing HOMEWORK?

It's not empowerment. It's a phone call.

If the kid can pick up the phone and dial... he's there!

I know of a kid who called the police because his parents told him to
go to bed.

After the tongue lashing he got from the cops, he never tried anything
as stupid as that again.

There was a man on FightCPS who was under investigation because CPS
accepted a report that his daughter was afraid to go home with a bad
report card. $8,000 he paid to an attny. I was the one who told him a
child being afraid to go home with a bad report card didn't rise to the
level of maltreatment. It never should have been accepted as a report.

Case closed.

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
Of course.

I wouldn't go that far.

It all depends on the maturity of the child.

It's possible a ten year old could, but a thirteen year old shouldn't.

"Dan Sullivan" wrote in message
oups.com...

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
Of course.

I wouldn't go that far.

It all depends on the maturity of the child.

It's possible a ten year old could, but a thirteen year old shouldn't.

It also depends on the laws of the individual state. Here in Nebraska it is
not allowed, not until the child reaches the age of 12, and then only for
short periods of time.

Ron

Carlson LaVonne wrote:
This 10 year old child was left alone. Can 10 year olds be left alone?
Of course. Of course, we also know nothing about this case, nor do
you, Greegor, know anything about how she was spending her money.
Perhaps she wasn't working for Nike's, but for food and shelter for her
child.

The child's call to 911 was possibly a call for help. A call from a
little child who felt alone and abandoned. A little child who needed
the presence of a parent or caring adult? And yes, a 10 year old is a
little child.

LaVonne

So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
Or would CPS
rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a year once a child like one is in
foster care?

AF

IOW, a case of "Supermom" blaming her kid instead of taking
responsibility as the adult, but still managing to hide
behind tradition like one.


"What this kid needs is a good kick in the rear end, to make
him do his homework" - oh, such a quaint and traditional
sounding line for a liberal to take to excuse a mother.

Yeah. Now that society has conveniently forgotten that most
"single mothers" are really just bimbos and that everyone
had to argue against traditional families in order to
accommodate their lifestyles - yeah - why NOT cherrypick
from that set of "values" that you rejected and blame the
kid? The whole point is to make others share the blame for
HER decisions. Let's break a young back, too.


Forget poor mommy's plight for a minute. Maybe THE BOY
actually lives in a ****ty unstructured environment - of HER
making. One which interferes with his ability to do some of
this deified "homework" which she can't be bothered doing
herself by going to college and getting a real job to
support her lifestyle.

Maybe SHE's got HIM living in a ****ing concrete jungle that
doesn't give him any opportunity to have two leave-raking
jobs, or any other picturesque guilt-trip which spoiled
two-parent liberals love to throw in the faces of poor boys
(so that they can exploit them as soon as they reach a ripe
age).


Maybe HIS young overly pressured mind was actually
accurately pinpointing one source of the problem that was
interfering with the demands being placed upon HIM, and he
did the only thing he could think of.

Maybe our virtuous widow was bringing home strange men all
the time - to the point that the old "are you going to be my
new dad" (or first), wore so thin that it wasn't even worth
thinking. Just maybe, this is a perfidious reversal and all
he WANTED was to do his homework. Maybe because it would
give him a point of reference away from the ugliness in the
whorehouse that he lives in, toward society's real rules,
because he knew he couldn't depend on her for anything more
than to play mom for other eyes to see. Maybe he was
getting so many mixed signals that calling the police was
just his way trying to tell someone that she wasn't really
being a parent.


Back to mommy. Yeah, Jr. should do his homework so that SHE
can keep living off of those setasides. Someday he'll need
to earn enough to pay his own child support to another
absentee wife, just like "Mom". Now that her youth is going
on her, and she's not one of the cute young thing getting
her perpetual "start", it's probably not fun doing floozy
work anymore.

In fact, it's probably downright unglamorous,
and that is often when even bigger problems start building
up in the single-mommy home. So, in the meantime, Jr. had
better be a model child who doesn't force her to stop to be
a parent. It cuts into her stay-young pursuits, as well as
her other whore's pursuits.


Why didn't our saintly, struggling "Mom" plan ahead by going
on to college, first, when doing so would have made it less
of a struggle? Lots of other women do.


Nobody told her?

Yeah, Right. Lying skank.


She "trusted" some guy (to pay her bills for her, for doing
30 minutes of meal preparation "work" a day), who then
"abandoned" her?

Yeah, right. If SHE does the walking out, and hurts
everyone in the wake of her actions, then NO ONE criticizes
her. It's up to everyone else to adapt. "**** all of you
people. It's MY life, MY body, MY decision ...MY
EVERYTHING."

Rather, she's cheered - making the whole rationale behind
"abandonment" meaningless. All she needs is a few lousy
excuses (lies) to justify her selfishness and she's in the
clear - for everything short of murder in front of 100
witnesses.


What's the real reason?

She was young. She knew how to get payment and prerogatives
by using her pussy. She didn't think about the future. She
was having a good time. Now, she's two years over the hill
and not so many guys look twice at her, anymore.


"Uh-oh!" "Better start putting on a fine 'mom' act!"

"Let's act like I give this kid everything!"

"He I work fast-food, but I'll buy him one pair of Nikes.
(Or, maybe I'll just have my mom buy them and tell
everyone it was me). Then, every time somebody is looking
critically at me, I'll bring up my one token effort and
stand back and watch while the world dumps my **** and shame
onto him. I deserve a break!

"Besides, isn't he a 'man'? Isn't he supposed to be the
'man' of the family? Isn't he supposed to be strong for me
when I'm abandoned?

"Oh, that's right. He's only ten years old and I did the
abandoning. No problem! I just have to practice my lines
to make sure I don't cross my lies too badly. Lots of
people WANT to believe me, and that's the ticket."


Oh, and which "liberal/commie/pinko media" outfit is it
that's writing this editorialized job, defending a single
mother and "destroying da family" because this kid is
obviously so in control of his environment (and her) that
she needs it? ...hahaha, why it's Gannett Co. Inc., "a
multi-media company serving the Lower Hudson Valley (New
York's Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties) since 1850"

I'll be damned. I thought it was going to be Pravda. Or,
at least, PBS. ...CONSTANTLY! We're just ping-ponged back
and forth between ****ing liberals and ****ing
conservatives......






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Greegor wrote:
Mom works Fast Food to buy the kid Nike's and he does
this. At age 10, fully able to call 911 for such crap, is
leaving this kid alone for a few hours really neglect?

Can't 10 year olds be certified for babysitting?

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/p...44/1018/NEWS02

http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pb...WS02/612280344


White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do
homework By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original
publication: December 28, 2006)

WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the
day after Christmas, so he called the cops on her.

Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today
to answer to a child endangerment charge after police
responding to the boy's 911 call discovered that he'd
been left home alone.

The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son
made the emergency call and beseeched officers "to come
and take his mother away because she was pressuring him
to do his homework,'' according to a police report.

When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they
found the youngster home alone and were informed that his
mother was working a 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local
restaurant. While police were there, the boy's mother
called to check on him.

Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The
mom, whose name is being withheld by The Journal News to
protect the boy's identity, was charged with endangering
the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She does not have
a listed telephone number and could not be reached for
comment.

She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who
released her without bail after signing an order of
protection requiring her not to leave her son alone or
abuse him in any way.

Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency
was notified of the arrest and is conducting its own
investigation.

There was no word on whether the boy finished his
homework.

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when i was 10 years old i had 2 jobs raking leaves and
delivering newspapers. i lived with foster parents and
when i needed money i worked as they also worked to raise
their families. they arrested this woman for leaving her
child alone at home , give me a break, this spoiled brat
did not want to do his homework so he called 911. what
he really needs is a job to keep him busy, to help out
his mom who is doing the best that she can. now some
child protection agency will put her on it's watch list.
she will lose her job and go back on welfare. nice
system, in fact her kid needs more than a job. like a
good hit in the rear end. but i guess this would also get
her locked up for child endangerment. sometimes these
systems over do it, and cause more harm than good .

Posted by: thomas j stroh on Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:49 am

AnneF- wrote:
So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?

40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.

Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
like 160 K per year would even be low.

If a family actually fights the legal costs could
easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.

All of those "contractors" add up fast.

Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
$ 200 spent on the public defender
(raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).

so a kid finally calls the cops to let them know that he's being left home
alone. OK, so maybe at 10 that is a little unreasonable (but that really
depends on the kid). The real question is how long has this been going on? I
know of single moms that leave their small (like 5 year old) kids home alone
every day while they go to "work" (hang out at the gym, and go have a liquid
lunch). The local child protection folks won't even bother checking up on
this type of report. In the rare case where they do, what they do is call
the mom, and leave a message telling her when they will be coming to check
on her - usually at least a week or so away, so mom has plenty of time to
clean the dump, buy groceries, and make sure her dope stash is gone. When
the social worker shows up, the kid has been fed a script, and everything
looks fine. If the poor kids dad was the one that called social services, he
can count on counter charges, an investigation of abuse (of the ex and the
kids), a domestic violence restraining order, and loss of any custody or
visitation he may have with his kid(s).

this has happened a number of times to people I know. Face it folks: if
you're a man, you are guaranteed to be wrong in any divorce/custody case.
Your ex can walk into court and say anything she wants, and she will be
believed, regardless of eveidence, conflicting testimony (including her
own), or anything else that would suggest or prove that she is lying. face
it, men are screwed.





White Plains boy calls cops on mom who ordered him to do
homework By RICHARD LIEBSON THE JOURNAL NEWS (Original
publication: December 28, 2006)

WHITE PLAINS - She insisted her son do his homework the
day after Christmas, so he called the cops on her.

Now, the 10-year-old's mother is due in City Court today
to answer to a child endangerment charge after police
responding to the boy's 911 call discovered that he'd
been left home alone.

The 32-year-old mom was arrested Tuesday after her son
made the emergency call and beseeched officers "to come
and take his mother away because she was pressuring him
to do his homework,'' according to a police report.

When police arrived at the Ferris Avenue apartment, they
found the youngster home alone and were informed that his
mother was working a 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. shift at a local
restaurant. While police were there, the boy's mother
called to check on him.

Mother and child were taken to police headquarters. The
mom, whose name is being withheld by The Journal News to
protect the boy's identity, was charged with endangering
the welfare of a child, a misdemeanor. She does not have
a listed telephone number and could not be reached for comment.

She was arraigned by City Court Judge Brian Hansbury, who
released her without bail after signing an order of
protection requiring her not to leave her son alone or
abuse him in any way.

Police said the state's Child Protective Services agency
was notified of the arrest and is conducting its own
investigation.

There was no word on whether the boy finished his
homework.

Greegor wrote:
AnneF- wrote:
So will CPS provide free child care to single parents like this mother?
Or would CPS rather spend 40-60 thousand dollars a
year once a child like [this] one is in foster care?

40-60 K per year is only a FRACTION of what it costs.

Based on newspaper reports a few years ago it looks
like 160 K per year would even be low.

If a family actually fights the legal costs could
easily push the total package up to $ 230 K per year or more.

All of those "contractors" add up fast.

Probably with big bucks spent on state's attorneys and
$ 200 spent on the public defender
(raised from 50/hour up to 60/Hour in Iowa months ago).

If that is true than that's sad! Truly the money is not spending in
the right place.
A babysitter would have cost less than 20K.

AF