Keeping military recruiters away from your children in high school

Nan wrote in
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:


the truth is out there. you need to look & find it for
yourself.
of course the local media will support the local cause,
that's why being informed takes work. i realize than many
people prefer spoonfed pablum & the bread and circus that
is local media. then there are those of us that have higher
than average intelligence and aren't afraid to use it.
lee

I have to say, this is an incredibly arrogant statement
you're making. You're saying the average person lacks
intellect.

look around you. how many people can't be arsed to vote? how
many really stop & think about things beyond themselves?
it is just so easy when you are busy to put your brain on
autopilot and not bother thinking about anything beyond your
own small circle.
i'm not arrogant. i'm just tactless

lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

enigma wrote:
snip
either you serve your term (and the x years
following) or you go to jail. that is that.

Exactly.

-L.

BarbL wrote:
-L. wrote:
BarbL wrote:
I have said nothing to defend the war - only to defend the
military members. In fact, they aren't the same thing.

Oh bull****. They *are* the war. They are the ones doing the killing.
Wake up and smell the bloodbath, Mummy.

Wow - your gift for ignorance is astonishing!

No your head in the sand is what is astounding - you and the rest of
the American Sheeple who think this war is poroductive...


You, on the other hand have only shown that you have a
filthy mouth and small mind. You aren't worth the bother.

Barb - Proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

I'd rather have a "filthy mouth" than be a war-mongering idiot and a
failure as a mother. What are your two other kids? And axe murderer
and a rapist?

You have shown that you have mastered profanity - bit whoop,
that's an easy one - but not social skills.

Why would I waste "social skills" on you? You're nothing more than dog
**** to me.

-L.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:53:36 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:

Nan wrote in
news
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:


the truth is out there. you need to look & find it for
yourself.
of course the local media will support the local cause,
that's why being informed takes work. i realize than many
people prefer spoonfed pablum & the bread and circus that
is local media. then there are those of us that have higher
than average intelligence and aren't afraid to use it.
lee

I have to say, this is an incredibly arrogant statement
you're making. You're saying the average person lacks
intellect.

look around you. how many people can't be arsed to vote? how
many really stop & think about things beyond themselves?
it is just so easy when you are busy to put your brain on
autopilot and not bother thinking about anything beyond your
own small circle.
i'm not arrogant. i'm just tactless

Personally, I don't know anyone that fits this description.

Nan

enigma wrote:

look around you. how many people can't be arsed to vote? how
many really stop & think about things beyond themselves?
it is just so easy when you are busy to put your brain on
autopilot and not bother thinking about anything beyond your
own small circle.
i'm not arrogant. i'm just tactless

And truthful. The "average" American is HS educated - at best, and
eats up crap in the media as "truth" without a second thought. It's
sickening.

-L.

"BarbL" wrote and I snipped:

-Patty, mom of 1+2

Could you explain that, please? It's been a few years since I've been on
the newsgroups, so I might not know all the newer terms. What does it mean
being a mom of 1+2? Thanks.

It's not a common term. It's my own shorthand to indicate that I have one
stepchild and two biological children. Since I spend most of my time on
m.k.breastfeeding and m.k.pregnancy, I've felt that the distinction was
important. After all, I gave birth to and breastfed only 2 of my 3
children.

Interestingly, you're the first person ever to ask me about it. I've always
thought that most readers didn't know and didn't care.

-Patty, mom of 1+2

"enigma" wrote in message
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BarbL aBarbL@comcastdotnet wrote in
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enigma wrote:
i'm really really uncomfortable with the ongoing nonsense
in
Iraq, threatening Iran & totally ignoring N.Korea...


That's because the media wants you to feel that way. They
slant it in a way to encourage those feelings. (Kind of
like the shark attacks, and child abduction "scares"
created by the media.)

well, that would be a handy pat answer if i relied on US media
at all, which i don't. i do not watch television at all. i
read foreign news far more than American news (because the
bias in US news is astounding). i was brought up not to
swallow gub'mint spin hook, line & sinker, unlike what appears
to be many people now.
what we have is an unstable situation in the Middle East,
exascerbated by an unprovoked attack on a sovereign nation,
that nation is now in a civil war.
we have pretty much ignored another country (the one that
actually *had* alQueda ties!)...
we are threatening a neighboring sovereign nation on flimsy
excuses.
we have been totally ignoring a nation led by a nutcase who
was *known* to be developing nuclear weapon capability & just
happens to be in missle range of our west coast. why is that?

The story has been in the New York Times and on NPR. I have heard and read
about this for several months. I don't watch news on TV, so I don't know if
it has been covered by the broadcast news. A quick search shows it has been
on the web sites of ABC, Fox, BBC and the Washington Post.

AFAIK, North Korea does not have rockets that can send nuclear warheads to
our West Coast. I am not saying that North Korea won't develop the missiles,
but at present, they don't have the technology. I think their present
technology lets them send warheads about 2000 km.

I suspect that at the moment more people are concerned about the thousands
of American people dying in Iraq, the high gasoline and oil prices,
terrorism, the price of fuel for heat this winter and the elections in
November than a potential threat that the President is working on.

Jeff


lee
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if
there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of
blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

"BarbL" aBarbL@comcastdotnet wrote in message
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Rosalie B. wrote:
BarbL aBarbL@comcastdotnet wrote:

enigma wrote:

in the notes when Bush took office were memos about alQueda, about
Afghanistan, & N.Korea. Bush, since foreign policy wasn't his strong
point, chose to ignore that.
Again, hindsight is 20/20. If you're saying you knew all this
beforehand, why didn't YOU do something about it?

It's easy to look at all the evidence now and say what they should have
done. It's easy to pass the buck.

What could I have done? I read convincing arguments that Sadam did NOT
have weapons of mass destruction . From the beginning I saw the war as a
huge mistake which could not be won. But who am I? Why should anyone
listen to me?


I saw evidence that looked like Saddam has WOMD and didn't get rid of them
until he saw the US as a threat. I have seen that caches of weapons, as
parts of weapons have been found, but apparently these reports don't get
the same media attention.

I think the same people who complain that nothing was done beforehand
are the same people who get bent every time we have a "false alarm" now.
As far as I know, mind-reading isn't utilized, they can't tell which
threats are the real threats, and which won't pan out, let alone what
the exact dates.

apparently he's not too strong on internal policy either, considering
the Katrina & Rita debacles too.
Since USA isn't Socialist, I wonder why so much blame is going so high
up the ladder. What happened to personal responsibility? What happened
to the local governments that failed to take care of their people?
They're all too busy waiting to be bailed out, and blaming.

I pretty much stopped caring about those "victims" when reading an
article in the usually left Newsweek - a welfare family who lost their 4
bedroom house, that they got for $250 a month, lamenting the loss of the
big screen tv, and the $2000 under the table money per weekend that the
live-in boyfriend would lose from not being able to perform in the
street bands... "that's why they call it the Big Easy" that woman said.
She wanted her big easy life back. The tiny violin played for her and
the loss of her cushy life.

The fact that one family is not worthy of help does not mean that there
were NO people who needed help. The people in the other Gulf states also
had their lives destroyed - New Orleans took the publicity and the money
away from them, as if there was nowhere else that was important.

Yes, that was one family in the article. There were more instances echoing
it.

I agree that New Orleans took the publicity and the money - and wonder why
that is so. I know there were people who genuinely lost everything, and
are working to get their very lives back... but I don't blame the
President for it. I think it should have been dealt with on a more local
level, and what the fed govt has done has been above what it's done for
other disasters. I don't begrudge anyone the help they get, I'm referring
to the blaming involved.

How could it be dealt with on a more local level? The residents had to go
somewhere. Staying in souther LA was not an option. The region does not have
the financial resources to rebuild on its own. The federal government does
have the resources to rebuild. Why they are letting people rebuild in an
area that is going to be flooded again and again is another question.

It was a widespread disaster, and to expect it to be built back up quickly
would not make sense. I'm hoping the levees get repaired, and other big
things that could possibly affect that area again, as well as the
individuals who need help.

No matter what happens, the whole area will change. I would much rather they
rebuild someplace else and just rebuild the tourist areas of New Orleans and
the areas needed to support the oil wells off-coast. In addition, if you let
people stay there, you need better levees than they are building now. The
floods will go over the levees if they don't build bigger ones.

Jeff


I know people here in Michigan who lost benefits and money because the
hurricane victims who came up here got it, no questions asked. The
governor jumped to juggle the money in their direction.

That's YOUR local politicians - why are you not complaining and doing
something about them.

I used it as an example of how the whole hurricane relief thing was rushed
and abused. However, that said, I did do some things about it on a local
level. I can't change who the governor chooses to give the money to, but I
could help people who were suddenly left with even less.

I did, and continue to do all I can with what I have.


grandma Rosalie - proud Navy wife to a retiree with 20, proud Air Force
mom, and proud mom to 3 others, and proud grandmom to 11.

Woohoo! Those are some impressive stats! My dad was in the Navy, but
before I was around, so I don't count that, but my hubby was in the AF
when I met him, and married, so I know the military life a bit. No
grandkids yet, but I'm waiting patiently and enjoying the niece and
nephews that my younger sibs have been producing for me.

My thanks to your Air Force daughter or son. I appreciate the sacrifices
made to serve.

Barb - proud Navy Mom (and proud mom to 2 others)

"PattyMomVA" wrote in message
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"BarbL" wrote and I snipped:
enigma wrote:

in the notes when Bush took office were memos about alQueda, about
Afghanistan, & N.Korea. Bush, since foreign policy wasn't his strong
point, chose to ignore that.

Again, hindsight is 20/20. If you're saying you knew all this beforehand,
why didn't YOU do something about it?

It's easy to look at all the evidence now and say what they should have
done. It's easy to pass the buck.

Do you really think there weren't people in the U.S., regular Americans,
who determined, through sound reasoning, that our country shouldn't invade
Iraq? I was one of them.

I don't think Bush used any reasoning in going into Iraq. He just thought it
was a good idea. But he didn't think about it or think about winning the
peace afterwards. He didn;t think about whether or not the evidence that
there were WMDs was any good. If he were able to think about what was
happening, we would not be in the mess. He also didn't think about the
consequences of going into Iraq without a real coalition or the backing of
the UN.

Jeff

-Patty, mom of 1+2

"Nan" wrote in message
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 21:53:36 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:

Nan wrote in
news
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 17:13:37 +0000 (UTC), enigma
wrote:


the truth is out there. you need to look & find it for
yourself.
of course the local media will support the local cause,
that's why being informed takes work. i realize than many
people prefer spoonfed pablum & the bread and circus that
is local media. then there are those of us that have higher
than average intelligence and aren't afraid to use it.
lee

I have to say, this is an incredibly arrogant statement
you're making. You're saying the average person lacks
intellect.

look around you. how many people can't be arsed to vote? how
many really stop & think about things beyond themselves?
it is just so easy when you are busy to put your brain on
autopilot and not bother thinking about anything beyond your
own small circle.
i'm not arrogant. i'm just tactless

Personally, I don't know anyone that fits this description.

Nan

I know far too many.