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vomitting - why?
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. |
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Stephanie wrote: I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base. Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a lot quicker than a 5-year-old would. Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache twinge. Clisby |
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"Clisby" wrote in message link.net... Stephanie wrote: I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base. Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick. Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a lot quicker than a 5-year-old would. Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache twinge. Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt. Clisby |
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Stephanie wrote:
Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/ etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful. It wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over the top. On the other hand, since you suspect other issues, it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in the child's best interests to get some answers. Best wishes, Ericka |
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"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message ... Stephanie wrote: Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/ etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful. Can we say understatement of the century? It wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over the top. On the other hand, since you suspect other issues, it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in the child's best interests to get some answers. I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from their point of view) for folks to look too closely at them, I'm afraid. Best wishes, Ericka |
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"Stephanie" wrote in message news:RYvOh.5638$Qi2.4208@trndny07... "Clisby" wrote in message link.net... Stephanie wrote: I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base. Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick. Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a lot quicker than a 5-year-old would. Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache twinge. Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt. That's perhaps a point to look at. When I get a migraine (and I get sick with a migraine but more feeling than actually being sick) just round my right eyebrow is the first place to start hurting pretty much every time. Debbie |
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"Stephanie" wrote in message news:cPtOh.4208$5E3.2231@trndny01... I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child care. Or both. The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home. Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message link.net... "Stephanie" wrote in message news:cPtOh.4208$5E3.2231@trndny01... I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care. Um. I don't even know what to say to that. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child care. Or both. I have called CPS. Twice. No bruises. No action. And if I remove him from my care, then what? Sure. It's not my problem any more. But what about him? Prior to coming here, he would not talk (at 4 years old). He was terrified of everyone. If someone's body moved to close to him, he would cringe and shake but become stone silent. He did not look at books. He did not play with toys. So I ship him off to puke on someone else? The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. No kidding! Mom is not going to find it for him. I have tried, but I am not his mother. Without the mother's consent, it does not happen. I went so far as to get the local EEE to come to MY house for assessments and lessons. All Mom had to do was call and Ok. Strangely no call. I have been pestering her for months for an updated immunization record. Funny thing is, I am probably going to have to get rid of them just so I don't risk my own registration. He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. You preacher. Me choir. That and a lot of money will get us a Starbucks, my friend. At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be looking a little more closely. And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home. Um. Yes. Jeff |
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"Stephanie" wrote in message news:UvxOh.2190$Rp2.673@trndny04... "Jeff" wrote in message link.net... "Stephanie" wrote in message news:cPtOh.4208$5E3.2231@trndny01... I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care. Um. I don't even know what to say to that. I really admire your devotion to this child. I just wish that I could say the same thing of his mother. So do you. So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child care. Or both. I have called CPS. Twice. No bruises. No action. And if I remove him from my care, then what? Sure. It's not my problem any more. But what about him? Prior to coming here, he would not talk (at 4 years old). He was terrified of everyone. If someone's body moved to close to him, he would cringe and shake but become stone silent. He did not look at books. He did not play with toys. So I ship him off to puke on someone else? The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. No kidding! Mom is not going to find it for him. I have tried, but I am not his mother. Without the mother's consent, it does not happen. I went so far as to get the local EEE to come to MY house for assessments and lessons. All Mom had to do was call and Ok. Strangely no call. I have been pestering her for months for an updated immunization record. Funny thing is, I am probably going to have to get rid of them just so I don't risk my own registration. Not really funny. I'd mention the immunization records problem to CPS, too. He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. You preacher. Me choir. That and a lot of money will get us a Starbucks, my friend. At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be looking a little more closely. A kid without learning disabilities (as well with parents) can stand to lose 4 or 5 months. I wish I knew what to say. At least, you can notify the school before he gets there. They may have someone who is able to start getting him the services he needs soon after he starts there. It seems obvious that without any notice, they would notice his lack of skills. I think your idea of talking to your ped is a good idea. (S)He might also be able to talk to people who can really help. And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home. Um. Yes. You know, you are going to go into withdrawal when he leaves your care. So will he. He'll find people who care as much as his mother appears to care at his new school. Hoepfully he will find people who care as much as you do. Jeff Jeff |
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"Jeff" wrote in message link.net... "Stephanie" wrote in message news:cPtOh.4208$5E3.2231@trndny01... I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed issue. The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?" Let me actually answer this as I see it. I am not the ideal care provider for this child. I do not have the education or experience. Unfortunately for this child, I appear to be way better than what he has had up until this point. He has gone, in one short year, from being completely convinced he could not use the toilet, to self toiletting. He has gone from unwilling and/or unable to utter a word to speaking, albeit not very well for a 5yo. He has gone from looking scared all the time to being able to play, handle small conflicts with peers, share with his peers, express his feelings. He has gone from beleiving that he cannot learn to *trying* to learn new words, dressing himself, learn letters, colors and shapes. All of these things were very difficult. He went from feeling a pariah to feeling part of the group. While his learning disabilities are not addressed, and there are many things I cannot give him, I do believe he is doing better here than he has ever done anywhere else. And the *only* consideration to Mom when choosing a provider is convenience for her. She chose me because I had openings. Period. It is a stress on me, though I beleive I am successfully managing the stress so that it does not affect the rest of the team. I do believe that there is going to be some upper limit of nonsense I am going to be willing and able to tolerate. I already have to have the family on a *very*short leash where payment is concerned, or they would stop paying me altogether. It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care. It would, indeed, be better for me. I do not beleive it would be better for him. I know the provider who cared for him before me. There is one center in our small town. They don't hire any more qualified folks than you will find in family care. And really, none of us in family care (or center based care for that matter) are required to have the depth of education necessary to do this job properly. So I don't hold out much hope that he is going to luck onto a situation that is better elsewhere. Does that answer the question? So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home. So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around him. There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life threatening in a short period of time. Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush. Thanks for any thoughts. I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child care. Or both. The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home. Jeff |
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