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Old March 28th 07, 02:10 PM posted to misc.kids
Stephanie
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I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this.
I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant
tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is
the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed
issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite
the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to
the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how.
Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I
say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He
is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and
whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She
just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until
he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for
7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at
snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will
get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around
him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


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Old March 28th 07, 04:32 PM posted to misc.kids
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Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this.
I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant
tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is
the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed
issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite
the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to
the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how.
Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I
say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He
is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and
whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She
just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until
he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for
7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at
snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will
get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around
him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.



Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? Hunger
sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but I'm
sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.

Clisby

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Old March 28th 07, 04:37 PM posted to misc.kids
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"Clisby" wrote in message
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Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep
deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess
I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants
something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not
put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays
with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00.
Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even
later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos
around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?




He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick.


Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but
I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.


Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt.


Clisby



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Old March 28th 07, 05:08 PM posted to misc.kids
Ericka Kammerer
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Stephanie wrote:

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.


I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I
do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/
etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point
of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful. It
wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over
the top.
On the other hand, since you suspect other issues,
it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship
there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without
the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents
don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in
the child's best interests to get some answers.

Best wishes,
Ericka
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Old March 28th 07, 05:09 PM posted to misc.kids
Stephanie
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"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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Stephanie wrote:

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.


I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I
do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/
etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point
of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful.



Can we say understatement of the century?



It
wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over
the top.
On the other hand, since you suspect other issues,
it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship
there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without
the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents
don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in
the child's best interests to get some answers.



I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from their point of view)
for folks to look too closely at them, I'm afraid.

Best wishes,
Ericka



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Old March 28th 07, 05:28 PM posted to misc.kids
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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"Clisby" wrote in message
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Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally
it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to
do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this
Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide
something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not
the first unaddressed issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically
sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I
guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he
wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom
does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where
he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00
or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he
is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the
chaos around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?




He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets
sick.


Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but
I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.


Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt.

That's perhaps a point to look at. When I get a migraine (and I get sick
with a migraine but more feeling than actually being sick) just round my
right eyebrow is the first place to start hurting pretty much every time.
Debbie


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Old March 28th 07, 05:52 PM posted to misc.kids
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.


The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your daycare?"
It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both of
you may be better off if he is in someone else's care.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite
the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to
the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know
how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived.
How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I
risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he
grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to
bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and
watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be
to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos
around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your child
care. Or both.

The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. He
should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability. And
it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home.

Jeff


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Old March 28th 07, 06:23 PM posted to misc.kids
Stephanie
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.


The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your
daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the
child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care.



Um. I don't even know what to say to that.


So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep
deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess
I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants
something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not
put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays
with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00.
Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even
later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos
around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your
child care. Or both.



I have called CPS. Twice. No bruises. No action. And if I remove him from my
care, then what? Sure. It's not my problem any more. But what about him?
Prior to coming here, he would not talk (at 4 years old). He was terrified
of everyone. If someone's body moved to close to him, he would cringe and
shake but become stone silent. He did not look at books. He did not play
with toys. So I ship him off to puke on someone else?

The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give.



No kidding! Mom is not going to find it for him. I have tried, but I am not
his mother. Without the mother's consent, it does not happen. I went so far
as to get the local EEE to come to MY house for assessments and lessons. All
Mom had to do was call and Ok. Strangely no call. I have been pestering her
for months for an updated immunization record. Funny thing is, I am probably
going to have to get rid of them just so I don't risk my own registration.



He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning
disability.


You preacher. Me choir. That and a lot of money will get us a Starbucks, my
friend. At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone* will be
looking a little more closely.


And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home.



Um. Yes.

Jeff



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Old March 28th 07, 06:56 PM posted to misc.kids
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.


The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your
daycare?" It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the
child. Both of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care.



Um. I don't even know what to say to that.


I really admire your devotion to this child.

I just wish that I could say the same thing of his mother. So do you.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically
sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I
guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he
wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom
does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where
he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00
or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he
is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the
chaos around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your
child care. Or both.



I have called CPS. Twice. No bruises. No action. And if I remove him from
my care, then what? Sure. It's not my problem any more. But what about
him? Prior to coming here, he would not talk (at 4 years old). He was
terrified of everyone. If someone's body moved to close to him, he would
cringe and shake but become stone silent. He did not look at books. He did
not play with toys. So I ship him off to puke on someone else?

The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give.



No kidding! Mom is not going to find it for him. I have tried, but I am
not his mother. Without the mother's consent, it does not happen. I went
so far as to get the local EEE to come to MY house for assessments and
lessons. All Mom had to do was call and Ok. Strangely no call. I have been
pestering her for months for an updated immunization record. Funny thing
is, I am probably going to have to get rid of them just so I don't risk my
own registration.


Not really funny.

I'd mention the immunization records problem to CPS, too.

He should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning
disability.


You preacher. Me choir. That and a lot of money will get us a Starbucks,
my friend. At least when he hits Kindy next year (compulsory) *someone*
will be looking a little more closely.


A kid without learning disabilities (as well with parents) can stand to
lose 4 or 5 months. I wish I knew what to say. At least, you can notify the
school before he gets there. They may have someone who is able to start
getting him the services he needs soon after he starts there. It seems
obvious that without any notice, they would notice his lack of skills.

I think your idea of talking to your ped is a good idea. (S)He might also
be able to talk to people who can really help.

And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home.



Um. Yes.


You know, you are going to go into withdrawal when he leaves your care. So
will he. He'll find people who care as much as his mother appears to care at
his new school. Hoepfully he will find people who care as much as you do.

Jeff

Jeff





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Old March 28th 07, 06:58 PM posted to misc.kids
Stephanie
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"Jeff" wrote in message
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"Stephanie" wrote in message
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I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.


The first question that comes to mind is: "Why is this kid in your
daycare?"




Let me actually answer this as I see it. I am not the ideal care provider
for this child. I do not have the education or experience. Unfortunately for
this child, I appear to be way better than what he has had up until this
point. He has gone, in one short year, from being completely convinced he
could not use the toilet, to self toiletting. He has gone from unwilling
and/or unable to utter a word to speaking, albeit not very well for a 5yo.
He has gone from looking scared all the time to being able to play, handle
small conflicts with peers, share with his peers, express his feelings. He
has gone from beleiving that he cannot learn to *trying* to learn new words,
dressing himself, learn letters, colors and shapes. All of these things were
very difficult. He went from feeling a pariah to feeling part of the group.
While his learning disabilities are not addressed, and there are many things
I cannot give him, I do believe he is doing better here than he has ever
done anywhere else. And the *only* consideration to Mom when choosing a
provider is convenience for her. She chose me because I had openings.
Period.

It is a stress on me, though I beleive I am successfully managing the stress
so that it does not affect the rest of the team. I do believe that there is
going to be some upper limit of nonsense I am going to be willing and able
to tolerate. I already have to have the family on a *very*short leash where
payment is concerned, or they would stop paying me altogether.



It doesn't sound like it is a good match between you and the child. Both
of you may be better off if he is in someone else's care.



It would, indeed, be better for me. I do not beleive it would be better for
him. I know the provider who cared for him before me. There is one center in
our small town. They don't hire any more qualified folks than you will find
in family care. And really, none of us in family care (or center based care
for that matter) are required to have the depth of education necessary to do
this job properly. So I don't hold out much hope that he is going to luck
onto a situation that is better elsewhere.


Does that answer the question?


So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep
deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess
I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants
something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not
put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays
with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00.
Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even
later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos
around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.


I would either call child protective services or dismiss him from your
child care. Or both.

The reality is that this kid need specialized care that you can't give. He
should be in a preschool that can help him with his learning disability.
And it sounds like there are some issues concerning his care at home.

Jeff



 




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