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A Plant's Motivation?
And I afraid to debate with Doan because I just can't!!! That is
why I am avoiding him for over 11 weeks now! ;-) Doan On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, LaVonne Carlson wrote: Greg, I do not work for the state of MN, as an employee or as a contractor. I have never worked for the state of MN as either an employee or as a contractor. I have a teaching license in Early Childhood Education and Early Childhood Special Education. I taught both disciplines for many years. I have an undergraduate degee in Child Development, a Master's Degree in Earch Childhood Special Education, and a Ph.D. in Early Childhood Educatiohn/Early Childhood Special Education. I worked for many years in child care. I worked in special education. I now teach graduate courses at the University of Minnesota for students who are enrolled in the ECE/ECSE licensure program. This is why I acted like Fern was a liar about my connection to CPS. She was a liar, Greg. LaVonne Greg Hanson wrote: LaVonne? Do you work directly for the state of MN or as a contractor? Why did you act like Fern was a liar about your connection to CPS? Are you an heir to a large family estate? |
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So even though you work for the U of MN you say you
don't work for the state of Minnesota? That's a good one LaVonne. As a former student of a STATE UNIVERSITY in MN, I think you're getting a little carried away with the ""independence"" of the U of M. The more you heap on those kinds of credentials the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower academia disconnected from reality. The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies. Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire? Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain. Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes. Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely. The power of massive bureaucracy. Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts? Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away. The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the opposite of a SERVICE to society. As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style, I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts have often been decades behind reality as society changes. That said, Yes, My family had a child removed. Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you? Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough) Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate? Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty. None of that eh? Might have made you seem less like you were being self-serving as in serving your industry. Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck. |
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"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... snip The more you heap on those kinds of credentials the more I think you're in La La land, ivory tower academia disconnected from reality. A good education disconnects people from reality? You want LaVonne to smoke some weed, Greg? The zeal, the cause, the esprit d'corps, the latent hippies. Ah Minneapolis radicalism... How IS Jim McGuire? Ah, Minnesota, Land of 10,000 BUREAUCRATS sharing a brain. Also known as Land of 10,000 taxes. Only state besides DC to go for Mondale, and just barely. So what? The power of massive bureaucracy. Like they'd vote for their own pay cuts? This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years! Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg? Who are you a stay-at-home dad for? Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away. The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the opposite of a SERVICE to society. What do ya think those people would say if they knew what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now? Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed it down to the little girl's mother? As for MY situation, which you brought up in Dan's style, I should remind you that the SOCIAL WORK definition of family is considerably BROADER than the courts, and that courts have often been decades behind reality as society changes. The reality is that many live-in boyfriends are responsible for the maltreatment of the children in the house. They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate everyone in the family for as long as they possibly can, and then move on when their girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on her own or with the encouragement of CPS and Fam Ct) and decides she can't tolerate it anymore. Your girlfriend hasn't been to court enough, Greg. I imagine it's gonna go on for years... but you don't care. In the meantime you're livin on Easy Street. That said, Yes, My family had a child removed. Yeah, right. And yer gonna marry the mother as soon as the little girl can attend the ceremony. 2012? 2013? I got my tux on reserve. Kind of slow on the uptake aren't you? The only one who doesn't get it, Greg, is YOU! Don't bother to READ, because you're an expert! He he (cough) Try bonging it, Greg. Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate? Why? Do ya want to move in with LaVonne if she is? Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty. Where'd ya get this, Greg? None of that eh? Might have made you seem less like you were being self-serving as in serving your industry. Less economic incentive to be loyal to your paycheck. "Paycheck???" I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg. Dan |
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This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years!
Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg? Who are you a stay-at-home dad for? I refuse to answer that question under the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me. That new law against taking a sabbatical is a real killer. Do you think they'll apply it to trust fund babies and people who get a lot of royalties? Gotta make them work? Gosh, pushing back retirement age was a drag, now this! Do you have a cite for that law, Dan? Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away. The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the opposite of a SERVICE to society. What do ya think those people would say if they knew what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now? Hey Dan! You found some ALLIES THERE! When they're not throwing bowling balls through plate glass windows at the military recruiters office, as part of the Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League.. Or protesting styrofoam burger pods in a big rant in front of a McDonalds headquarters.. Jim is a "professional protester". I'm REALLY very concerned about what they think! NOT. Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed it down to the little girl's mother? I am Deuce Bigelow. Got my "mangina" working great. No, not getting any welfare, Dan. Do you know what a sabbatical is? The reality is that many live-in boyfriends are responsible for the maltreatment of the children in the house. That is a statistic. Presumption or PHOBIA based on that is truly evil. It would be like saying that since black people commit a lot of crime you are going to presume them all guilty. And we HAVE covered this before, Dan. Did you forget? Foster care providers have TWO unrelated adults, so would have TWICE the risk due to this effect! Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives. That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the state legislature here with that logic. They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate everyone in the family for as long as they possibly can, and then move on when their Sounds like CHILD PROTECTION so far. girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on her own or with the encouragement encouragement? Nice word choice. Are you painting smiley faces on atom bombs again? Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate? Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty. Where'd ya get this, Greg? Minneapolis Star and Tribune, circa late 1980's "Paycheck???" I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg. Is your employer so backward they don't use EFT? |
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"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... This from a guy who's chosen to be unemployed for three years! Why didn't you get a job after the little girl was removed, Greg? Who are you a stay-at-home dad for? I refuse to answer that question under the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution, on the grounds that it might tend to incriminate me. That new law against taking a sabbatical is a real killer. 2 1/2 YEARS????? Do you think they'll apply it to trust fund babies and people who get a lot of royalties? Gotta make them work? Gosh, pushing back retirement age was a drag, now this! Where's all YOUR money comin from, Greg? Or as long as the girlfriend pays the bills you can vegetate? Have ya met Fern, Greg? Do you have a cite for that law, Dan? Oh yes, I had Spaghetti at Joe Sommers house before he passed away. The highlight of the evening was when the charity case pregant woman spouted off that society owed her (welfare)since she provided society with such a service, making a baby. Even my liberal SO at the time got a gut ache over that stupidity. As a conservative I had fun watching the liberals fall all over themselves trying to tactfully tell the utterly ignorant woman that she was only serving HERSELF, and performing quite the opposite of a SERVICE to society. What do ya think those people would say if they knew what you did to the little girl and what you were doing now? Hey Dan! You found some ALLIES THERE! So you know they'd disapprove of your behavior. Conservatives would too. Most people would. When they're not throwing bowling balls through plate glass windows at the military recruiters office, as part of the Revolutionary Anarchist Bowling League.. Or protesting styrofoam burger pods in a big rant in front of a McDonalds headquarters.. Jim is a "professional protester". And you're just an amateur pervert? I'm REALLY very concerned about what they think! NOT. Are you sponging off society or have ya narrowed it down to the little girl's mother? I am Deuce Bigelow. Got my "mangina" working great. Enjoy it while you still have it. No, not getting any welfare, Dan. Do you know what a sabbatical is? The reality is that many live-in boyfriends are responsible for the maltreatment of the children in the house. That is a statistic. Presumption or PHOBIA based on that is truly evil. Why is that? It would be like saying that since black people commit a lot of crime you are going to presume them all guilty. And we HAVE covered this before, Dan. Did you forget? And I have pointed out that we know what you did to the little girl. No assumptions have to be made. Foster care providers have TWO unrelated adults, so would have TWICE the risk due to this effect! Aren't foster parents evaluated before they can foster? I believe you've been avoiding an eval for almost three years now, Greg. Something to hide? Take the fifth. Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives. That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the state legislature here with that logic. Was that in the papers? They are leeches who slip into a home, dominate everyone in the family for as long as they possibly can, and then move on when their Sounds like CHILD PROTECTION so far. girlfriend finally comes to her senses (either on her own or with the encouragement encouragement? Nice word choice. Are you painting smiley faces on atom bombs again? Hey, you're still there WITH all the encouragement of the Court's and CPS. Are you an heir to the huge Carlson corporate estate? Love that guilty socialism in 2nd generation rich, who didn't earn it and feel guilty. Where'd ya get this, Greg? Minneapolis Star and Tribune, circa late 1980's They wrote about "guilty socialism in the second generation rich?" Citations please. "Paycheck???" I'm surprised you still know what they're called, Greg. Is your employer so backward they don't use EFT? I am my employer. Dan |
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Dan said
And I have pointed out that we know what you did to the little girl. Who is WE? Are you a committee? Or are you you playing Joseph McCarthy again Dan? No assumptions have to be made. Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults! Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives. That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the state legislature here with that logic. Was that in the papers? I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature. Citations please. On 2nd generation Rich having guilt? Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall. For more detail, do your own research. You might also want to search with keywords like Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc.. I am my employer. You sell crack eh? If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock? And everybody knows that people who make a living at self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection. Riight! I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR! You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you? |
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"Greg Hanson" wrote in message om... Dan said And I have pointed out that we know what you did to the little girl. Who is WE? Are you a committee? Or are you you playing Joseph McCarthy again Dan? "We" are the people who read what's posted on this NG. And "we" know what you did because you posted the information. No assumptions have to be made. Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults! Nothing but facts. And unanswered questions. Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives. That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the state legislature here with that logic. Was that in the papers? I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature. Citations please. On 2nd generation Rich having guilt? Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall. For more detail, do your own research. You might also want to search with keywords like Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc.. I am my employer. You sell crack eh? No. If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock? The real question is, why do you think your girlfriend should support YOU? Is there something that makes you incapable of employment? And everybody knows that people who make a living at self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection. Riight! I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR! You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you? If I were would that somehow explain something? Do you think only a disabled person would come to the defense of an abused little girl? Dan |
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Who is WE? Are you a committee?
Super****ed Dad, Myself, I believe Sherman, and various and assorted folks Really? You left off Charles Manson and Jerry Howe. But I suggest you get their permission to speak FOR THEM. that have come and gone here and told you what a lowlife scumbag you are and that you should get a job, or get out, or both. People hurling insults On the INTERNET? That's so amazing Mr Wizard! Some have, shocked voice even suggested they want you to come to some harm. Tsk............. tsk.............. tsk............... Back to the intellectual high road again there eh Kane? Kane expounds but he did not go after anyone but a few people in the military FALSE that in fact some DID prove to be members of the Communist party when they were most assuredly a serious security risk to this country. Since this is now archived history, please name names. Now they are more like you, impotent crackpots. Thanks to Joe McCarthy. You might want to do a little research before you try to smear someone. Like using what they have actually said. Does THIS qualify? It was the HUAC that went after folks in the media and created the unfair and brutal attacks on people. And who was the Chairman? When Elia Kazan was questioned? I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you? I notice you have been making referrence to my life experience that clearly show you are willing to lie about me. That is to make a claim that has no basis in fact and is, if one reads what I wrote, obviously something else entirely. I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you? I just can't imagine Dan doing that to you, can you? For instance, you and the Plant suggested I was "terminated." I said I was fostered. Fostered children are not necessarily terminated. In fact only about 30% are, so you are a 60% liar. Are you saying you went back to your parents? That would not fit your hatred of blood parents and your downright filial love for the foster caregivers. Don't you like it having at least one redeeming thing you can boast about? Notice that everything Dan says about you or questions he asks you are directly related to things YOU have written about yourself and the situation you find yourself so comfortably in. Yes, generally in inappropriate places. Others have complained. No assumptions have to be made. Darn, that leaves you with nothing but insults! My goodness gracious me, is this going to devolve or escalate into yet another posting by Dan or I of your actual newgroup postings about the issues Dan and I and a slew of others here have confronted you about? You just proved me right. You are empty. You threaten me with escalation? Way to go dude! If you're that stupid, I won't stop you. Do you think you're going to WIN something? You've never said the things you did were not true, in fact you defended them. And with utter and complete nonsense that pointed clearly to you either being a dunce, stupid as a post, or a malicious little twit that deliberately displaced a child to make a soft berth for himself. Empty. Vacuous. Void of content. Why do you think no one defends your "motion" when it's presented...quick, backchannel your Pumpkin. ... I'm sure IT will defend your motion as a piece of art all CPS involved families should emulate. Empty. But in fact, if they did, the outcome would be exactly what has happened to the little girl and her mother, who have lost each other now. Factual error. WAG Just to answer, once again, your lie that I despise the natural parents, though I find your paramour questionable in chosing you over her child, I am deeply saddened that when the little girl grows up and catches on to YOU, she will also be confronted with the spector of an abandoning mother. Not unless they destroy all of the documents. Not possible. I can think of no worse event in a human life than to find that one's own mother betrayed one. That is too much of a burden to ask a child to take on no matter WHAT YOU WANT, you little prick. Well, for a patriotic person in the Home of the Brave, being betrayed by the government and court system comes close. Judges who cheat and violate oath, laws ignored... Just the thought of that would jar awake someone with a conscience. But..... That let's you out....so far. Yep, I'm just a thoughtless person. But you sure seem a might bothered by someone as seemingly unimportant as me! Hardly a selling point for CPS initiatives. That's what got the CPS boobs laughed out of the state legislature here with that logic. Was that in the papers? I'm not sure. Ask Doug, he TESTIFIED before the legislature. I wonder if Doug would move into a single mother's mobil home, and take up showering her little girl? And lots of folks testify before legislatures. My wife has. It's not the act, it's the content of the testimony. Or the results. As I said the idea got booed out. (Public at large thought it was an incredibly stupid idea also!) It's not made true because of the setting, so kindly use things you can support with something more factually varifiable, than, "Doug said it so it must be true." Is this the new standard for proving your blathering? Citations please. On 2nd generation Rich having guilt? Minneapolis Star Tribune 1980's (84-90) closest I can recall. For more detail, do your own research. You might also want to search with keywords like Peavey, Pillsbury, Cargill, Carlson Companies, GUILT, etc.. Fabulous. Even the Plant could do better. You, a nonworking adult male with a computer and an internet connection, want someone that works for his living, and uses large amounts of his time helping others, to do reseach on a subject (rich guilty people) you brought up. Excellent. Right up there with the best The Plant has cut and pasted and demanded others make the connections to CPS, the thread, or A Nodule on It's Root System. I am my employer. You sell crack eh? Are you calling Dan Sullivan a drug dealer? If so I suggest you apologize or produce some solid evidence quickly. I'll just quote Dan: "Get stuffed!" You are as stupid in your debate as you are as a pseudoparent. Debate? And you think that passes for forensic skill? But then what have you to risk. If someone nails you for your lies are you going to give up the shopping cart you use to collect and hump bottles and cans in the ball park? Actually didn't ever use a grocery cart at the ball field. Did you have to bend over to extract that idea? From now on I'm going Oh what a relief! to use HBCBP to designate that phrase. I wouldn't want to overload our computer system with too many bytes of info. Gibberish. Or did you buy top of the line after your last sojourn with a "fiance?" Pointless. If you're an entrepeneur, then WHY have you been pushing the idea that I should be a ""wage slave"" and punch a clock? I don't think he cares how you earn the money you should to support yourself. If you can hump HBCBP and actually pull half your weight, in food and half the rent or mortgage payment, then you are a really good boy, and Dan has made an error of judgement. You can see, and I certainly can, why he might make that mistake going by the long posting history we Look, either you are speaking for other people, or you're talking in third person plural which is really freaky. Get help. have access to here in USENET. So, do you pay for half the utilities, food, your own medical insurance or bills, entertainment, and rent in the form of half the mortage or rent? Pointless. Delusions of grandeur. Pretense at "authorita" Hell, I'll bet you don't even pay for half the KY Jelly you use to [e.d.] that poor needy woman up the [e.d.]. Yes, you are an expert ""debater"". Thanks for all the love, man. And everybody knows that people who make a living at self employment have endless free time to post in newsgroups and ""consult"" people for gratis about Child Protection. Actually it's only you that doesn't know how much an entrepeneur can mangage his time and entertainments. Though I guess of you are HBCBP you certainly can manage your time so you an post here often. Personally I'm grateful for Dan's gratis consultations with families in crises with CPS. The reason I am is that unlike you I'm in touch with reality and I count the successes he's had and how he did it, or coached them to do it. OK, Dude. Yeah. Reality. Whatever! He's done things that with all my many years of experience I had not learned or caught onto, tactically. I've used that info in behalf of families. I'm pleased to say he's been my teacher on many a CPS related issue. Yes, it was obvious you were his lap dog. Tonguing him now? Now, Prick, what have YOU to teach me? You are not ready, grasshopper. Riight! Yes, that's right. He has consulted with families, and served them very well indeed. Broiled and on a silver platter? chorus: Some say the Devil is dead Devil is dead Devil is dead Some say the Devil is dead And buried in Killarney. I say he rose again I say he rose again I say he rose again And joined the British Army. Jealous, or are you posting as a proxie for Dennis the Ill-noise CPSWatch maven? If I was to see a rodent eat it's young would I be jealous? No pack behavior, that's your thing. I think it's just another DELUSION OF GRANDEUR! YOU? THINK? So write us a "Motion." Prove that Dan hasn't helped families. Hey, I'll be the first to get after him for fooling me...but let me tell you, from what I know, Does a Methane wind pass for knowledge? even if he was kidding he'd be considerably more than you, Gigolo. Be all that you can be? A Sock puppet? You ARE a disability case on SSI aren't you? Now wouldn't that be interesting. Imagine, Dan Sullivan, disabled, and running a business, and along with that doing the considerably amount of work it takes to research state after state CPS information to provide families the tools to get their children back. Yeah, when CPS finishes their witch hunt, and wants to burn the parents at the stake, Dan offers the parents matches. While you...well, here you are, apparently an able bodied strapping big hunk a burning love, yes that gets only as far as the ball park for his pin money, covered a lot of car washes also has no child in the home to parent, and sits there on his 3 year sabbatical (I loved that...it means one year, doofus) Get a better dictionary. One that has Coprolalia in it also. just aching to sue someone. yes That's the civilized thing to do when you're wronged like this. I keep praying you are that stupid. Since when do atheists pray? You'd really look good in court. Like a Rueben Sandwich. Now you're just making me hungry. Yah know, what you don't say about about your situation and the little girl is as telling as what you do say. Try tea leaves or a Ouija Board, more accurate. But I know you like your methane. As far as I've been able to find I've never located a kinds sympathetic empathetic word by you about the little girl, her pain and loss, her confusion. There is more of that from me in this case than there is from the state stooges. (and Doug thinks I'm being an amateur psychologist...r r r r r) You couldn't buy a vowel with cash. And in fact the only thing I can find (you'll point me to something more won't you) that you say about her describes her in blameful terms, as though she is out to get you and that's why the punishment detail. "she is out to get me"? More delusions, Kane? Never said any such. About the only person you don't badmouth is the mother, and I think we can assume that has a great deal to do with her taking care of you (instead of her child). Wouldn't want jeaordize that, now would we, Whore? If we were perfect we would not be human. Taking the high road again, Kane? Am I wrong? Constantly. Or more importantly, will you me answer me at all? Yeah, That's important in a Jerry Howe kinda way, isn't it? |
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