Bill Cosby - NAACP leaders stunned by remarks of prominent comedian

On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:19:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

Bob goes around hollering racist all day instead of thinking.
Therefore, he has no credibility on the subject of racism.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Are you a racist? For example, do you condone miscegenation?

No, I do not believe in miscegenation. Neither do birds and hundreds of
other animals. Robins do not mate with mockingbirds or brown thrashers,
etc, and I don't think they should.
Holger
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Holger, that is the definition of a racist!! You're asserting that
black-haired doggies don't **** white-haired doggies, and that's
ignorant! Where did you think mutts come from?? Neither dogs nor
ANY animal in nature breeds "true" without being forced to and
being restricted by humans!! The various "breeds" are wholly artificial,
like the notion of "race"!! They are strictly judgements
by humans!! And notably, the so called "pure breeds" are the most
subject to diseases and crippling disorders!!

You are under the MONSTROUS DELUSION that "race" is SPECIES, which
is the TRUE boundary of successful interbreeding. The DEFINITION of
a SPECIES is the group of animals that ARE ABLE to breed together!!
Blacks and whites are the SAME SPECIES, OBVIOUSLY, or else mulattos
could NOT EVEN EXIST!! Race is NOT SPECIES, NO WHERE NEAR IT!!

"Different species can reproduce. However, it is usually because of
being in captivity. Normally, they do not choose to do so.

Natural hybrids in the wild between large species of felids are rare, if
not unknown. For instance, although there is some difference between the
habitat preferences of jaguar and puma, the two often overlap. (Puma
inhabit the rainforest less than jaguars do.) Although there is a
widespread belief throughout Mexico and South America that puma-jaguar
hybrids exist in the wild, biologists have been very slow to confirm the
wild hybrid's occurrence, and I have not been able to substantiate one.
However, in contrast to the lack of recognized wild hybrids, large
felids of different species in captivity are known to mate and produce
offspring. Under zoo conditions, individuals of one species can become
accustomed to members of another species that they would either avoid in
the wild or never come into contact with due to differences in range.
The best-known hybrids are between lions and tigers, resulting in a
'tiglon' from a male tiger and a lioness, and a 'liger' from a male lion
and a tigress.

Generally matings between different species do not produce live young
because of genetic differences. If live young are produced, they are
seldom fertile at maturity, and are thus unable to have offspring of
their own. However, the big cats are remarkable for the degree to which
they can successfully interbreed with each other in captivity. Live
young have been produced from the crossing of lion with tiger, lion with
leopard, and jaguar with leopard.

The appearances of these hybrids vary. The lion-tiger hybrids are
usually very large animals, generally somewhat larger than normal lions
or tigers. The background color of the coat is tawny and lion-like but
usually more intense in color, and is overlaid with dark brown stripes.
These stripes are more open and broken than in a typical tiger, and they
sometimes form rosettes, The offspring of a lion-leopard cross is also
usually large, almost the size of a normal lion, with body proportions
more like those of a lion than a leopard. Often such crosses have a lion
mane and tail tuft, but have the black rosettes and spots that are
typical of a leopard. In addition to the hybrids between the more
closely related pantherine cats, there have also been crosses between
the more distantly related non-pantherine puma and the leopard. The
resulting hybrid's pelage is typically puma like in color, but leopard
like in its pattern of dark brown rosettes.

Although hybrid offspring of various species are generally infertile,
Helmut Hemmer has reported that some hybrid females are fertile, thus
making possible crosses between the hybrid and one parental species.
Additional breeding of such fertile hybrids may enable researchers to
answer various genetic questions about some of the big cat species."

http://www.bigcats.org/abc/catspecie...sbreeding.html

Steve

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:02:32 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:24:43 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2004 17:58:47 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

I see nothing racist in what he has posted here.

He is a racist because of what he has posted in other messages and
not retracted.

Bob goes around hollering racist all day instead of thinking.
Therefore, he has no credibility on the subject of racism.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Are you a racist? For example, do you condone miscegenation?

No, I do not believe in miscegenation. Neither do birds and hundreds
of other animals. Robins do not mate with mockingbirds or brown
thrashers, etc, and I don't think they should.

Then you are a racist. And you are naming species as if you think that is
analogous to race. Species normally stick to their own, as do we humans
when we mate, whatever our color. If you are basing your beliefs on this
stuff, you really should've studied it a little first.

I'm not basing my beliefs on that or anything else that I'm aware of.

I just know what I believe in.

Slainte,
Fletch

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

On Tue, 25 May 2004 21:16:37 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Why do kids speak in slang? Because they want to thumb their noses at
those high-and-mighty smug-and-superior assholes like you who think
you are better than them, but are in their opinion real idiots. The
same is true of blacks and anyone else you disapprove. They know you
are an idiot and will do the things you don't want them to simply to
diss you, because dissing you is all that you are worthy of.

Listen to your pitiful babble. All of the poor language, the poor
grades, the improper ways of behaving, and the crimes that blacks commit
is done in order to thumb their nose at white people. In other words,
they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

By the way, don't say dissing. That immediately indicates to someone
that you are an ignorant, poorly educated person and probably poor.

If you mean "dismiss" say it, and not "diss". It's very easy to say.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

greccogirl wrote:

Hi Steve,

I just skimmed this because I've already read about Cosby's comments,
but I'm curious, just how do you know Cosby's kids hate him? Are
you a close personal friend, or are you assuming?
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No one has to be to know that. It's obvious from his demeanor, he's
a control freak and a guilting shamer. If they don't admit to hating
him, then they are damaged and neurotic and their lives are crap.
Steve



R. Steve Walz wrote:

I think Cosby would tell you that they probably don't even know what
good parenting is.

Holger
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Cosby is so hated by his own children that they'd tell you he doesn't.
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Tue, 25 May 2004 21:05:32 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
wrote:

Whereas you are clearly beyond help, imagining things based on Usenet
postings. And being a racist to boot.

I'm not imagining anything. I see by your posts that you have many
loose screws. One of them is the constant racism that you dwell on
saying racist constantly. It's like walking through a mental ward and
one of the inmates only says, "Racist, racist, racist, racist, racist."
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When one sees a racist, they say "racist". You obviously hear that
about you everywhere you go, so that you imagine everyone is crazy,
when actually, you're just a ****ing racist!!


It's as if you think all of the problems that you have ever
had all of your life were caused by racism.
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Since we're not black, hispanic, or whatever, why in the world
would we ever do that???


Try to stand back and look at it
objectively, and, hopefully, you will see that could not possibly be
true.
Holger
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Of course it is, you're a ****ing racist, you said you opposed
miscegenation, which belief is the central dogma of racism!!!
Steve

wrote:

Bob LeChevalier wrote:

Unfortunately for you, most people don't think about race that much.
It would be better if they thought about it even less.

When the DAFNz encroach, white people think about race a great deal.
White_Flight is the convincing evidence of that...
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"White Flight" is normal, and not even racist. People don't wish
to live in depressed neighborhoods because that depression causes
crime and danger, so those who CAN flee, DO. They wish to be safe.

But most people still want the state to forcibly correct the racism
of **** like you.
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:19:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

Bob goes around hollering racist all day instead of thinking.
Therefore, he has no credibility on the subject of racism.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Are you a racist? For example, do you condone miscegenation?

No, I do not believe in miscegenation. Neither do birds and hundreds of
other animals. Robins do not mate with mockingbirds or brown thrashers,
etc, and I don't think they should.
Holger
---------------------------
Holger, that is the definition of a racist!! You're asserting that
black-haired doggies don't **** white-haired doggies, and that's
ignorant! Where did you think mutts come from?? Neither dogs nor
ANY animal in nature breeds "true" without being forced to and
being restricted by humans!! The various "breeds" are wholly artificial,
like the notion of "race"!! They are strictly judgements
by humans!! And notably, the so called "pure breeds" are the most
subject to diseases and crippling disorders!!

You are confusing different breeds of dogs with different birds.
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I'm not confused, YOU are, the birds are different species, dogs
are NOT! The types of humans are directly equivalent to the varieties
and so-called "breeds" of dogs.


As I
said, sparrows do not breed with cardinals and cardinals do not breed
with mockingbirds, and mockingbirds to not breed with gold finches and
gold finches to not breed with swallows and swallows do not breed with
sea gulls, etc., etc., etc.
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That is because they CANNOT, different species of birds physically
cannot get pregnant from sex with each other. Also, they, as little
machines, are programmed not to, but that is a separate and unrelated
phenomenon.

Birds are SIMPLY NOT related to the phenomenon of human kind, whereas
dogs are the same sort of phenomenon as the kinds of humans. In other
words, your speech about birds was wrong because birds are NOT actually
examples of miscegenation ANYWAY!


And humans have absolutely nothing to do with it.
---------------------
Not with birds, no, but with dogs, yes!


You are under the MONSTROUS DELUSION that "race" is SPECIES, which
is the TRUE boundary of successful interbreeding. The DEFINITION of
a SPECIES is the group of animals that ARE ABLE to breed together!!
Blacks and whites are the SAME SPECIES, OBVIOUSLY, or else mulattos
could NOT EVEN EXIST!! Race is NOT SPECIES, NO WHERE NEAR IT!!
Steve

It is definitely possible for these birds to breed if they wanted to.
However, they don't want to, thank God.
Holger
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No, YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF BIOLOGY IS DEFECTIVE!! The different species
of birds CANNOT breed successfully, those birds are all different
species, and different species cannot get pregnant from each other.
In fact, THAT is PRECISELY AND EXACTLY THE BIOLOGICAL DEFINITION OF
DIFFERENT SPECIES!

Whether they happen to want to or not or try to is actually a
phenomenon that is totally unrelated to speciel breeding limits,
like teenage girls ****ing their german shephards, it's harmless
fun.

Birds don't because they are too simple and programmed by evolution
not to even try so they don't waste their efforts, whereas we and
dogs are bright enough to enjoy it anyway and to choose to for fun.
Most mammals can masturbate for pleasure, which is not seen in lower
animals.

You can get birds to **** stuffed birds and leave semen!!
You can't get humans or dogs to do that, they know better,
unless they want to, like with porn or a Lovely Linda doll!!
Steve

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2004 01:19:11 GMT, "R. Steve Walz"
wrote:

Holger Dansk wrote:

Bob goes around hollering racist all day instead of thinking.
Therefore, he has no credibility on the subject of racism.

Holger

http://www.mindspring.com/~holger1/holger1.htm

Are you a racist? For example, do you condone miscegenation?

No, I do not believe in miscegenation. Neither do birds and hundreds of
other animals. Robins do not mate with mockingbirds or brown thrashers,
etc, and I don't think they should.
Holger
---------------------------
Holger, that is the definition of a racist!! You're asserting that
black-haired doggies don't **** white-haired doggies, and that's
ignorant! Where did you think mutts come from?? Neither dogs nor
ANY animal in nature breeds "true" without being forced to and
being restricted by humans!! The various "breeds" are wholly artificial,
like the notion of "race"!! They are strictly judgements
by humans!! And notably, the so called "pure breeds" are the most
subject to diseases and crippling disorders!!

You are under the MONSTROUS DELUSION that "race" is SPECIES, which
is the TRUE boundary of successful interbreeding. The DEFINITION of
a SPECIES is the group of animals that ARE ABLE to breed together!!
Blacks and whites are the SAME SPECIES, OBVIOUSLY, or else mulattos
could NOT EVEN EXIST!! Race is NOT SPECIES, NO WHERE NEAR IT!!

"Different species can reproduce. However, it is usually because of
being in captivity. Normally, they do not choose to do so.
----------------
No, no, no, no, no. You need a biology course. Only a VERY FEW STILL
NEARLY RELATED SPECIES CAN BREED successfully. Like horses and donkeys
produce mules. They were thought separate species, but are related
enough that they can produce a weird hybrid that cannot breed further,
because it is infertile! There are a few of those, and no others can
breed successfully unless they were variational species of a core
species which did breed at their geographic boundaries, but which
birds are not - they are different species, and dogs are not - they
are one and the same species, just as all humans are.


Natural hybrids in the wild between large species of felids are rare, habitat preferences of jaguar and puma, the two often overlap. (Puma
-------------
Puma/jaguar are now known to be the same species, they breed breedable
offspring with no defective or infertile traits.


offspring. Under zoo conditions, individuals of one species can become
accustomed to members of another species that they would either avoid in
the wild or never come into contact with due to differences in range.
---------------------------------
No. Only related "mule species" of "falsely different species" can,
because they are actually one core species which only have geographic
varietals.


The best-known hybrids are between lions and tigers, resulting in a
'tiglon' from a male tiger and a lioness, and a 'liger' from a male lion
and a tigress.
----------------------
Lion-tiger offspring are mules, and are sterile.


Generally matings between different species do not produce live young
because of genetic differences.
-----------------------
They cannot conceive, and most don't try because those who did wasted
their efforts.

But humans and many other higher mammals which enjoy sex, and are not
merely programmed by evolution to have sex, but have sex because they
seek pleasure, and they can do so regardless of species.


If live young are produced, they are
seldom fertile at maturity, and are thus unable to have offspring of
their own.
--------------------
All mule hybrids are infertile, but all matings that breed breeders
mean that the speciel division is FALSE!


However, the big cats are remarkable for the degree to which
they can successfully interbreed with each other in captivity. Live
young have been produced from the crossing of lion with tiger, lion with
leopard, and jaguar with leopard.
-------------
Mules.


Although hybrid offspring of various species are generally infertile,
Helmut Hemmer has reported that some hybrid females are fertile, thus
making possible crosses between the hybrid and one parental species.
--------------
One case known, ho-hum.


Additional breeding of such fertile hybrids may enable researchers to
answer various genetic questions about some of the big cat species."
Holger
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What a feat of cutting and pasting.

It still fails to speak to defend your erroneous declaration that
miscegenation among human varieties was some out-of-species breeding
that shouldn't be allowed. And that's the core myth of racism!!
Steve


Steve

Joni Rathbun wrote in message ...

His opinion, while debatable, is not unique among successful blacks.
They see the problems as disproportionate and they believe the
solutions are within.

The VAST majority of "successful" blacks don't give a rat's ass
about the poor ones, regardless of the part of the world the
poor ones live. How many rich blacks have you seen going to any
trouble, or spending their own money, to help the destitute ones
on the African continent? This is consistent with their self-centered
mindset in general. Other clues are the fact that they don't tip,
and don't care much for paying premiums for life insurance (on themselves).
(BTW, ask any waiter/server about black people and tips; most of them
are a pain in the ass to serve on top of that. Many will try to
get out of paying the bill in the first place.) They are born thieves.
Nearly every week here in Atlanta, there is a new scandal involving
high-dollar theft and/or mismanagement with black city and county
officials.

The conversation often centers on why things are the way they are
and, perhaps, addressing the symptoms. We hear from the racist
crowd here that blacks are pre-destined for failure as a result
of genetics and IQ. Others rightfully speak out against such
nonsense.

Uh yeah, nonsense. What you wrote above is the only nonsense I see.

Meanwhile, Cosby and others are saying enough with the accusations
and excuses already;

Because even he is smart enough to see that 40 years of countless
gov't programs, and countless billions of dollars, have not made a
better negro. One cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear;
can't be done. Take a reality check sweetie, if you're capable.

BTW, Bill Cosby is an anti-white racist and always has been. I know
of two famous show biz people from the past who would vouch for what
I've said (I decided not to name them here).

--
Regards, IM

Holger Dansk wrote:

On Wed, 26 May 2004 03:02:32 GMT, "Fletch F. Fletch"
wrote:

Then you are a racist. And you are naming species as if you think that is
analogous to race. Species normally stick to their own, as do we humans
when we mate, whatever our color. If you are basing your beliefs on this
stuff, you really should've studied it a little first.

I'm not basing my beliefs on that or anything else that I'm aware of.
I just know what I believe in.
------------------------
In other words, you're saying: "Don't confuse me with facts, my
mind is made up, and I made it up without any logical input at all!"
Classic.
Steve