Do you support educational vouchers in schools?

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"Banty" wrote
Hmmm, still no evidence to support his statement about quality and
cost
of
education.

What is it with you socialists that you are constantly expecting others
do
to do stuff for you, and give you stuff?
Go do your own research and homework.

You haven't learned a fundamental rule of discourse, then.

The burden of proof lies with the person who has made the assertion.

Your failure to do so is noted.

Your admission to ignorance of the cost of public schooling is appalling.
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Not since it never occurred, liar.
Steve

You sure are smart, Steve.
But I'm starting to get bored with errant, childish behavior.

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote
My kids got much better education in school than
I did 40 years ago.

I don't doubt that at all, Bob.

I have a superior mastery of basic facts to anything you've shown.

Yet you openly admit to complete ignorance of the cost of public schooling
and the lack of quality there of.

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote:
"Banty" wrote in message
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Unsubstantiated?
Is this the part where I call you a bald faced liar, Bob?

Hmmm, still no evidence to support his statement about quality and
cost
of
education.

What is it with you socialists that you are constantly expecting others
do
to do stuff for you, and give you stuff?

We do, with regard to our own statements and opinions. We are not
obliged to seek out information to support your statements, especially
since such information does not exist because your statements are
false.

Go do your own research and homework.

We have.

It won't be hard, just pick up any newspaper, all of them have almost
daily
articles about the increasing costs and declining quality of public
schooling.

You believe what you read in the paper without questioning it?

What is there to question when the costs outlined in the newspaper are
supported by property tax bills?
You really ought to consider getting your head out, Bob.
It is cleary documented that public schooling costs spiral upward while
the
quality of the education plummets downward.
If this most basic fact eludes you then you are way out of your league.
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The only thing that is documented is how when you greedy little tax
cheats try to drive down school budgets, the schools fail to work
as well.

yawn
Steve, give ALL of your money to the schools so they will improve.
BTW: Even as more and more stolen money is funneled into the public schools
the quality of the education drops further and further.
Haven't you been paying attention, Steve?

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote in message
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"Don" wrote:
"Bob LeChevalier" wrote
He considers that anyone having to follow any rules imposed by someone
else (except their parents, I guess, since he approves of
homeschooling, even though such parents may impose more rules than do
any school) is "suffering".

You really don't know much about homeschooling do you Bob?

I know enough.

Bob claims to *know* enough about Homeschooling....

Its not about *rules*, it's about *learning*, for a lifetime.

It's about parental control-freaks, as often as not.

.....and to prove it he points to the governmental public school control
freaks that control him too.

Bob, turn off the TEEVEE and get out in the real world and see whats going
on.

"toto" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 04:48:23 GMT, "Don"
wrote:

"toto" wrote
"Don" wrote:
Here's the game I play, Dragonlady.
We homeschooled our son to graduate 3 years earlier than his peers, and
he
did so in the top 1/2% in the state.

I don't know what the fascination is with *graduating early.* It's no
guarantee that a student won't burn out.

Burn out on *learning*?
How?
Its a life long journey, you know.

You obviously haven't met some of the child prodigies I know.

It's not a matter of burning out on *learning* necessarily, but of
burning out on pushing oneself to graduate or to get a degree
or whatever else the ultimate *goal* is.

Example here. My dd has a friend who was a computer nerd
early. He was programming for HP as a freshman in HS. He
played chess, did all the AP math and science he could get,
went to Northwestern for math courses after finishing his two
AP calculus courses by sophomore year. Where is he now?
Well, he quit college after changing majors 4 times, I believe.
He runs a computer lab at a school, but his major interest is
in philosophy.

Then there are several other *early graduators* who have dropped
out of the *rat race* entirely and are living life working minimum
wage jobs because they prefer not to be stressed out in terms of
their work. They still learn things, but they do it on their own time
and without any interest in getting a degree out of it or making
money off it.

I just don't think that graduating early is a good goal. Sure, if you
want to move ahead do so. Most kids though are not at the same
level in all facets of learning so they may be better off going ahead
in only a few subjects of interest and staying with their age group
in other subjects. Or they may be better off entirely simply being
kids rather than rushing into adulthood.

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It's very individual.
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And for that you deserve a BIG Atta-Gurl, Dorothy.
Now, lets move one step ahead.
How does the public prison address the individual in each student?

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"toto" wrote
"Don" wrote:
Here's the game I play, Dragonlady.
We homeschooled our son to graduate 3 years earlier than his peers, and
he
did so in the top 1/2% in the state.

I don't know what the fascination is with *graduating early.* It's no
guarantee that a student won't burn out.

Burn out on *learning*?
How?
Its a life long journey, you know.
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One you abandoned early on.

You don't even know what we're talking about, do you Steve?

"Banty" wrote in message
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In article et, Don
says...

"Banty" wrote
Don says...
"Banty" wrote
Ah - then you have cites. Please let us know where you may have any
underpinnings to your rantings here.

What books have you published?

Google is your friend, use it.
Start with the word: homeschooling

If you think you can handle it, Google: John Gatto

Are you "John Gatto"? Yes or no.

No.
Did you google him?



You said you had written books and your wife had homeschooling websites.
I asked for cites.
You said "John Gatto"
I asked if you were him.
You said "no".

So we're back to those books supposedly you (no, not John Gatto) have
written.

Cites to your book, please.

I never said I wrote a book and I'm wondering why you are claiming I did.

"toto" wrote in message
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On Fri, 27 May 2005 04:50:49 GMT, "Don"
wrote:


"toto" wrote in message
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On Mon, 02 May 2005 04:30:54 GMT, "Don"
wrote:

"Banty" wrote
Ah - then you have cites. Please let us know where you may have any
underpinnings to your rantings here.

What books have you published?

Google is your friend, use it.
Start with the word: homeschooling

If you think you can handle it, Google: John Gatto

You are not Gatto.

You are not toto.
Got any more revelations?

I am toto online, however.

I find it odd that you claim to be toto.

And, in the education and parenting
groups, most people know my full name, though I don't use it
on usenet anymore because of harrassment from some trolls.

Yet you still wonder why I don't post my last name?

My real first name is Dorothy... You supposedly wrote books or
your wife did, but you refuse to give your name or to promote them.

I find that quite odd.

You find it odd that my real name is on each of my posts, just like yours?
Why?

"Bob LeChevalier" wrote
I don't give a **** about your wife;

Calm down Bob, before you pop a valve.

I wouldn't buy her book.

Ok, just remember that.

It is YOUR credibility that is at stake.

No Bob, my credibility is not reliant upon little angry men in Usenet.

You spout your ideological
bull****, but have nary a verifiable fact to support anything you
claim.

The facts are out there, Bob, it is up to you whether you want to see them.

Well the claim that your wife is selling a book could be at
least slightly supported by a URL.

Why, so that you won't buy it?
(remember what you said above?)

You have been convinced, Bob, by the mass media that Homeschooling is BAD
and public schooling is GOOD and no amount of FACTS will ever change your
mind. You eagerly gulped the blue pill.

Believe it or not, Bob, there is a great big world outside this newsgroup.
Turn the monitor off, Bob, take a walk outside, meet some REAL people for
a
change.

I meet lots of real people. You aren't one of them; you are a phony.

Your own words betray you, Bob.
You gain your knowledge of the world around you through your addiction to
TEEVEE.
Talk about phony.....

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
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Don wrote:

"dragonlady" wrote
I'm referring to the game you are playing on this thread.

I'm talking about the serious nature to your commitment to punishing
children, perhaps for the rest of their lives, by requiring them to be
trapped in the public prisons jokingly called schools.
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You're a delusional posturing liar.
Steve

What, no mention of tax stealing, Steve?

Lets look at the record:
You've replied to 7 of my posts and in everyone of them you whined, stamped
your feet and pouted.
What do you have to say for yourself, Steve?