Who has the ultimate right to choose?

"Gini" wrote in message news:LdAUh.508$Yh.432@trndny03...

"Robert" wrote
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A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with. But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.
==
So...how long have you been with this woman and how much child support do
you think he
should be paying?

It always seems to come down to that, doesn't it. Some guy with a
girlfriend/wife who is ****ing and moaning about having to support the
children from her prior relationships when the woman did her thing with
other guys.

"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:02 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:04:32 -0700, "Chris" wrote:

What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?

Since the woman is the final arbiter of whether or not she will bear
children, the man doesn't have much of a responsibility regarding
this,
does
he.

Yep, he can make damn sure it's not his children.

Indeed he can, but not a prerequisite. Whether the children she decides
to
bring into the world are fathered by him or not does not change his lack
of
responsibility. It is impossible for him to be responsible for her SOLE
choice to bear children.

Whether or not she has a child is none of his business, as long as
it's not his child. If he ****'s up, and she has his child he has a
obligation to support that child.

Because?

Any ******* that refuses to support
his child, needs to be horse whipped, and castrated. Don't want a
woman to have your child, don't have unprotected sex with her.
A man has the absolute responsibility to support his offspring.
Just as a woman has a right to choose to abort.
Have the cords
clipped, then use a condom to avoid getting a STD. Stupid ******* that
gets a STD deserves it.

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Robert wrote:
What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.

You act like it's his choice to have a child.

It is not.

But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

She gets all the rights, so why not the responsibility?

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"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:06:29 -0400, Animal05
wrote:

teachrmama wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:02 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:04:32 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?

Since the woman is the final arbiter of whether or not she will bear
children, the man doesn't have much of a responsibility regarding
this,

does

he.

Yep, he can make damn sure it's not his children.

Indeed he can, but not a prerequisite. Whether the children she
decides to
bring into the world are fathered by him or not does not change his
lack
of
responsibility. It is impossible for him to be responsible for her
SOLE
choice to bear children.


Whether or not she has a child is none of his business, as long as
it's not his child. If he ****'s up, and she has his child he has a
obligation to support that child. Any ******* that refuses to support
his child, needs to be horse whipped, and castrated. Don't want a
woman to have your child, don't have unprotected sex with her.
A man has the absolute responsibility to support his offspring.


You keep forgetting a VERY IMPORTANT part, Robert. It is HIS CHILD!
He has
the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to parent that child. He should have that child
with him
50% of the time. And the mother should be forced to provide 50% of the
financial support of the child, just as the father is. FORCED LABOR if
necessary! You keep leaving that part out. I'm not sure why.




Isn't it interesting how "robert" wishes to ascribe as a "right" an
unatural process to a woman, and assign an "absolute responsibility" to
a man where none exists.

What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.

Don't twist it! We are NOT talking about "raising a family with a woman". We
are talking about paying FREE MONEY to the woman.

But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

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Ray Fischer wrote:

Robert wrote:

What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.


You act like it's his choice to have a child.

It is not.


But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.


She gets all the rights, so why not the responsibility?


because women are always victims!!!!!!!!

Chris wrote:

"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:06:29 -0400, Animal05
wrote:


teachrmama wrote:

"Robert" wrote in message
m...


On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:02 -0700, "Chris" wrote:



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On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:04:32 -0700, "Chris" wrote:



What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?

Since the woman is the final arbiter of whether or not she will bear
children, the man doesn't have much of a responsibility regarding

this,

does


he.

Yep, he can make damn sure it's not his children.

Indeed he can, but not a prerequisite. Whether the children she

decides to

bring into the world are fathered by him or not does not change his

lack

of
responsibility. It is impossible for him to be responsible for her

SOLE

choice to bear children.


Whether or not she has a child is none of his business, as long as
it's not his child. If he ****'s up, and she has his child he has a
obligation to support that child. Any ******* that refuses to support
his child, needs to be horse whipped, and castrated. Don't want a
woman to have your child, don't have unprotected sex with her.
A man has the absolute responsibility to support his offspring.


You keep forgetting a VERY IMPORTANT part, Robert. It is HIS CHILD!

He has

the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to parent that child. He should have that child

with him

50% of the time. And the mother should be forced to provide 50% of the
financial support of the child, just as the father is. FORCED LABOR if
necessary! You keep leaving that part out. I'm not sure why.





Isn't it interesting how "robert" wishes to ascribe as a "right" an
unatural process to a woman, and assign an "absolute responsibility" to
a man where none exists.

What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.


Don't twist it! We are NOT talking about "raising a family with a woman". We
are talking about paying FREE MONEY to the woman.

and of course...."robert" will deem "responsibility" as only $$$$$




But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

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"Bob Whiteside" wrote

"Gini" wrote
"Robert" wrote
.........................
A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with. But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.
==
So...how long have you been with this woman and how much child support do
you think he
should be paying?

It always seems to come down to that, doesn't it.
==
Uh huh--around here, it does.
==
Some guy with a
girlfriend/wife who is ****ing and moaning about having to support the
children from her prior relationships when the woman did her thing with
other guys.
==
But he's driving an almost new car!!

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:06 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:06:29 -0400, Animal05
wrote:

teachrmama wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:02 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
m...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:04:32 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?

Since the woman is the final arbiter of whether or not she will bear
children, the man doesn't have much of a responsibility regarding
this,

does

he.

Yep, he can make damn sure it's not his children.

Indeed he can, but not a prerequisite. Whether the children she
decides to
bring into the world are fathered by him or not does not change his
lack
of
responsibility. It is impossible for him to be responsible for her
SOLE
choice to bear children.


Whether or not she has a child is none of his business, as long as
it's not his child. If he ****'s up, and she has his child he has a
obligation to support that child. Any ******* that refuses to support
his child, needs to be horse whipped, and castrated. Don't want a
woman to have your child, don't have unprotected sex with her.
A man has the absolute responsibility to support his offspring.


You keep forgetting a VERY IMPORTANT part, Robert. It is HIS CHILD!
He has
the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to parent that child. He should have that child
with him
50% of the time. And the mother should be forced to provide 50% of the
financial support of the child, just as the father is. FORCED LABOR if
necessary! You keep leaving that part out. I'm not sure why.




Isn't it interesting how "robert" wishes to ascribe as a "right" an
unatural process to a woman, and assign an "absolute responsibility" to
a man where none exists.

What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.

Don't twist it! We are NOT talking about "raising a family with a woman". We
are talking about paying FREE MONEY to the woman.


You are twisting it, it's now possible to prove that a man is or is
not the father. If you father a child, you should support that child.
It's not Free money, child support seldom if ever covers the cost of
raising a child. The custody parent needs to work, child care is not
cheap. I know custodial fathers, and custodial mothers. Dead beat
mothers are very common. More so than dead beat fathers. Many deadbeat
fathers are in prison and can not pay any child support.
A man stupid enough to father a child with a woman that will not
stay with him has no sympathy with me. Many women take the kids and
flee from an abusive man. And you sound like abusive man.
But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

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"Robert" wrote in message
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You are twisting it, it's now possible to prove that a man is or is
not the father. If you father a child, you should support that child.
It's not Free money, child support seldom if ever covers the cost of
raising a child.

CS is based on economic research done by highly regarded social scientists.
CS is based on what thousands of parents in intact families actually spend
on rearing their children. Do you have any evidence "child support seldom
if ever covers the cost of raising children"? Are you suggesting the social
scientists don't know how to track child rearing costs? Or perhaps the
parents who contribute to the child rearing research do not really know how
much it costs to raise children? Or the government's consumer spending
research is inaccurate?

The custody parent needs to work, child care is not
cheap.

Child care is an add-on to CS based on actual costs. It is divided on a
pro-rata basis between the parents. I personally dislike this process
because it allows the CP mother to get very expensive child care and stick
the NCP father with a high percentage of the inflated costs.

I know custodial fathers, and custodial mothers. Dead beat
mothers are very common. More so than dead beat fathers. Many deadbeat
fathers are in prison and can not pay any child support.
A man stupid enough to father a child with a woman that will not
stay with him has no sympathy with me. Many women take the kids and
flee from an abusive man. And you sound like abusive man.
But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

What should be done about the women who display no sense of responsibility
by having unprotected sex with men? If women make a poor choice in
selecting boyfriends/husbands shouldn't they be held accountable for the
outcome and for exposing existing children to bad people?

"Robert" wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 20:04:06 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 17:06:29 -0400, Animal05
wrote:

teachrmama wrote:
"Robert" wrote in message
...

On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:32:02 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
m...

On Sat, 14 Apr 2007 10:04:32 -0700, "Chris"
wrote:


What do you care how irresponsible the woman is if you are
taking
responsibility for YOUR sexual behavior?

Since the woman is the final arbiter of whether or not she will
bear
children, the man doesn't have much of a responsibility regarding
this,

does

he.

Yep, he can make damn sure it's not his children.

Indeed he can, but not a prerequisite. Whether the children she
decides to
bring into the world are fathered by him or not does not change his
lack
of
responsibility. It is impossible for him to be responsible for her
SOLE
choice to bear children.


Whether or not she has a child is none of his business, as long as
it's not his child. If he ****'s up, and she has his child he has a
obligation to support that child. Any ******* that refuses to
support
his child, needs to be horse whipped, and castrated. Don't want a
woman to have your child, don't have unprotected sex with her.
A man has the absolute responsibility to support his offspring.


You keep forgetting a VERY IMPORTANT part, Robert. It is HIS CHILD!
He has
the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to parent that child. He should have that child
with him
50% of the time. And the mother should be forced to provide 50% of
the
financial support of the child, just as the father is. FORCED LABOR
if
necessary! You keep leaving that part out. I'm not sure why.




Isn't it interesting how "robert" wishes to ascribe as a "right" an
unatural process to a woman, and assign an "absolute responsibility"
to
a man where none exists.

What both you idiots are trying to ignore, is we are discussing a
man that doesn't want a child. A responsible intelligent man, doesn't
knock up a woman that he doesn't want to raise a family with.

Don't twist it! We are NOT talking about "raising a family with a woman".
We
are talking about paying FREE MONEY to the woman.


You are twisting it,

How so?

it's now possible to prove that a man is or is
not the father.

Which has nothing to do with this issue.

If you father a child, you should support that child.

Because?

It's not Free money,

It is if you haven't earned it.

child support seldom if ever covers the cost of
raising a child.

Irrelevant.

The custody parent needs to work, child care is not
cheap.

Again, irrelevant.

I know custodial fathers, and custodial mothers. Dead beat
mothers are very common. More so than dead beat fathers. Many deadbeat
fathers are in prison and can not pay any child support.

All irrelevant.


A man stupid enough to father a child with a woman that will not
stay with him has no sympathy with me. Many women take the kids and
flee from an abusive man. And you sound like abusive man.

All irrelevant.

But the
*******s that wants to enjoy unprotected sex, with the woman bearing
all the responsibility.

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