vomitting - why?

I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this.
I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant
tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is
the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed
issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite
the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to
the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how.
Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I
say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He
is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and
whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She
just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until
he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for
7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at
snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will
get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around
him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do this.
I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I cant
tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if she is
the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first unaddressed
issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development (despite
the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever). My point to
the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I don't know how.
Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep deprived. How do I
say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess I don't. I risk it. He
is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants something he grunts and
whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not put him to bed really. She
just tells him to get in bed where he plays with toys and watches tv until
he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for
7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week, at
snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he will
get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos around
him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.



Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast? Hunger
sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but I'm
sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.

Clisby

"Clisby" wrote in message
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Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally it
would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to do
this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this Mom. I
cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide something or if
she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not the first
unaddressed issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically sleep
deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I guess
I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he wants
something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom does not
put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where he plays
with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00 or 12:00.
Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he is up even
later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the chaos
around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?



He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick.


Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but
I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.


Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt.


Clisby

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Stephanie wrote:
I am concerned about a child in my care at my family daycare. Normally
it would be up to Mom to pursue this with her ped. She is not going to
do this. I don't know why. I won't go on about my feelings about this
Mom. I cant tell if her actions are deliberately trying to hide
something or if she is the height of lazy. Suffice it to say this is not
the first unaddressed issue.

So. Little boy, 5yo. Has SOME kind of learning disability. It is as yet
unidentified. Per Mom, ped has never commented on his development
(despite the fact that at age 4 he had not uttered a single word ever).
My point to the backstory is that he is disadvantaged in some way, but I
don't know how. Oh another part of the backstory, he is chronically
sleep deprived. How do I say this without sounding like a total bitch? I
guess I don't. I risk it. He is a virtual wild animal at home. When he
wants something he grunts and whines. Throws himself on the floor. Mom
does not put him to bed really. She just tells him to get in bed where
he plays with toys and watches tv until he collapses, often around 11:00
or 12:00. Then up to be to my house for 7:00. If I have him nap here, he
is up even later at home.

So. Every so often he will have a spell of vomitting. About once a week,
at snack time he will look green and even more tired than usual. Then he
will get sick one to three times and fall asleep, regardless of the
chaos around him.

There does not seem to be any corrolation with food, though I am very
concerned about a food allergy since they can go from benign to life
threatening in a short period of time.

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Two things came to mind; either/both might be completely off base.

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?



He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets
sick.


Hunger sometimes makes me nauseated. Not to the point of vomiting, but
I'm sure I know how to recognize the symptoms and do something about it a
lot quicker than a 5-year-old would.

Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.


Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt.

That's perhaps a point to look at. When I get a migraine (and I get sick
with a migraine but more feeling than actually being sick) just round my
right eyebrow is the first place to start hurting pretty much every time.
Debbie

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Does he complain of headaches? I get nauseated almost any time I get a
bad headache, which is why I'm popping 3 ibuprofen at the first headache
twinge.

Only once. Yesterday he said his eyebrow hurt.

That's perhaps a point to look at. When I get a migraine (and I get sick
with a migraine but more feeling than actually being sick) just round my
right eyebrow is the first place to start hurting pretty much every time.
Debbie

My dd#1 was under some pressure in 4th grade (we moved in the middle
of the year and the teacher kept giving her failing grades on her
homework and would not explain what she wanted done)

Anyway, she started having migraines and throwing up. So I think
that may be it for the throwing up.

On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:37:21 GMT, "Stephanie"
wrote:

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?



He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets sick.

I am curious about what you serve. Is it possible he has allergies?

This sounds like he might have sensory issues as well. Has the child
been seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric neurologist?
This is a first step in diagnosing the delays. Any child who has not
spoken at all by 4 should certainly be getting speech therapy at the
least.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits

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On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:37:21 GMT, "Stephanie"
wrote:

Is there any chance he comes to you without eating breakfast?



He eats breakfast at my house. It is afternoon snack time that he gets
sick.

I am curious about what you serve. Is it possible he has allergies?


Mytracking has yielded no pattern.


This sounds like he might have sensory issues as well. Has the child
been seen by a developmental pediatrician or pediatric neurologist?

No. As discussed in the rest of the thread, I would be overjoyed if I could
get Mom to make sure he has updated immunization records.

This is a first step in diagnosing the delays. Any child who has not
spoken at all by 4 should certainly be getting speech therapy at the
least.


I hear you.

Stephanie wrote:

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I want
to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I
do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/
etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point
of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful. It
wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over
the top.
On the other hand, since you suspect other issues,
it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship
there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without
the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents
don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in
the child's best interests to get some answers.

Best wishes,
Ericka

"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
...
Stephanie wrote:

Can shear exhaustion cause vomitting? I plan on calling my ped, but I
want to wait until afternoon when they are done with the morning rush.

I have nothing whatsoever to base this on, but I
do think that it's possible for stress/sleep deprivation/
etc. to cause vomiting. I would imagine from his point
of view, his life is pretty chaotic and stressful.


Can we say understatement of the century?



It
wouldn't surprise me if some days it just put him over
the top.
On the other hand, since you suspect other issues,
it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some relationship
there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom of this without
the child actually being evaluated. It's a shame the parents
don't see to be concerned. It sounds like it would be in
the child's best interests to get some answers.



I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from their point of view)
for folks to look too closely at them, I'm afraid.

Best wishes,
Ericka

"Stephanie" wrote in
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"Ericka Kammerer" wrote in message
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On the other hand, since you suspect other issues,
it also wouldn't surprise me if there was some
relationship there. I doubt anyone can get to the bottom
of this without the child actually being evaluated. It's
a shame the parents don't see to be concerned. It sounds
like it would be in the child's best interests to get some
answers.

I am not sure it would be in their best interest (from
their point of view) for folks to look too closely at them,
I'm afraid.

as a child care provider, aren't you required to be a
manditory reporter?
is this boy their only child? if so, maybe they are just
clueless, but with his lack of verbalization & the mom's
evasiveness, i think maybe someone needs to get the kid/family
some help. i'm so *not* a fan of child services, but if mom is
really clueless someone needs to help her out & if the kid is
a little developmentally slow (it could be the chronic
exhaustion though), the sooner he gets help, the better.
lee