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  #251  
Old April 25th 07, 09:10 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Robert[_2_]
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Default Contract to support?

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini"



What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he

fathered?

Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an
artificial
debt.

You were whining about being forced to make child support for a
child that you claim is not yours.


That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you

believe
your above statement. You DO believe it, correct?

You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any
responsibility for it. I am aware that some men are supporting a child
they did not father, and some are crying about it.

Child support is not an artificial
debt.

Yes it is. And it's immoral too.

If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the
child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child.

Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear.

Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling
you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby.


Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement?

If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am
wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to
accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held
responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a
child. Just curious how much are you paying?

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  #252  
Old April 25th 07, 10:34 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Robert[_2_]
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:31:13 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:00:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:49 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
m...

"Chris" wrote in message
...

Teachermama has been in my killfile for some time, so I only

see
what other may respond to.

That's too bad as you can learn a wealth of information from her.

He won't respond to me either. Dealing with the facts is just too
painful.


Her little story sound like some other
lies, I have heard many times. Parental rights are not taken

away
lightly. If a parent loses parental rights they usually go to

jail,
for abuse. Parental rights, and child support are usually

linked.
No
rights, no responsibly.

Correction: Paternal rights, and child support are RARELY linked,
which
is
consistent with government standards. (notice I said "paternal"

and
not
"parental", because fathers do NOT share the same rights as

mothers)

This is kind of an OT comment , but my state (Oregon) and the

adjoining
state (Washington) have governors who are crowing about the state
legislature's passing bills against discrimination of
gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual/pick your poison types of citizens.
The
governors are commenting no citizen should ever have limited rights
just
because of their beliefs or lifestyle.

I can't wait to go to my state representatives demanding if citizens
should
all have the same rights based on sex, religion, sexual preference,
race,
etc. etc. etc then all citizens should have the same PARENTAL rights

as
every other citizen. This is going to be fun! I plan to make them

eat
their hypocrisy and explain why NCP's can't have the same rights as
CP's!

It all sounds great on paper, but not to rain on your parade, they

will
simply tell you to go pack sand. Why? Because they CAN!

Sorry they can and should,

Because?


Did you not answer my above question because you too don't know the answer,
or because it is a secret?

What question? Because what? They can tell you to pack sand, and in
my opinion that exactly what they should do, either that or beat the
**** out of your child abusing ass. Any worthless cock sucker that
whines and cries about supporting his children is pure thrash. And in
your case a ignorant piece of trash.

BTW those that you hate also pay Child
Support if they have fathered a child. BTW you whining crybabies have
the same rights and responsibilities as any parent that assumes the
responsibilities. IOW get married and raise a family.

With all due respect, it is unclear what you are trying to convey in your
above message.

Only to a whining cry baby looking for sympathy, after ****ing up.
Come on try to be a real man, double your child support payment.
And stop your sniveling, it's embarrassing to real men to be around a
cry baby.


Your messages are becoming progressively more bizarre. Calling people names
and telling them what to do is something you probably do to your own
children; but that is not what this newsgroup is about. Perhaps
"alt.name-calling" would be more fitting for you.


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  #253  
Old April 26th 07, 12:52 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Chris
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"Robert" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:31:13 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:00:14 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 21:17:49 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
m...

"Chris" wrote in message
...

Teachermama has been in my killfile for some time, so I

only
see
what other may respond to.

That's too bad as you can learn a wealth of information from

her.

He won't respond to me either. Dealing with the facts is just

too
painful.


Her little story sound like some other
lies, I have heard many times. Parental rights are not taken

away
lightly. If a parent loses parental rights they usually go to

jail,
for abuse. Parental rights, and child support are usually

linked.
No
rights, no responsibly.

Correction: Paternal rights, and child support are RARELY

linked,
which
is
consistent with government standards. (notice I said "paternal"

and
not
"parental", because fathers do NOT share the same rights as

mothers)

This is kind of an OT comment , but my state (Oregon) and the

adjoining
state (Washington) have governors who are crowing about the state
legislature's passing bills against discrimination of
gay/lesbian/transgender/bisexual/pick your poison types of

citizens.
The
governors are commenting no citizen should ever have limited

rights
just
because of their beliefs or lifestyle.

I can't wait to go to my state representatives demanding if

citizens
should
all have the same rights based on sex, religion, sexual

preference,
race,
etc. etc. etc then all citizens should have the same PARENTAL

rights
as
every other citizen. This is going to be fun! I plan to make

them
eat
their hypocrisy and explain why NCP's can't have the same rights

as
CP's!

It all sounds great on paper, but not to rain on your parade, they

will
simply tell you to go pack sand. Why? Because they CAN!

Sorry they can and should,

Because?


Did you not answer my above question because you too don't know the

answer,
or because it is a secret?

What question? Because what? They can tell you to pack sand, and in
my opinion that exactly what they should do, either that or beat the
**** out of your child abusing ass. Any worthless cock sucker that
whines and cries about supporting his children is pure thrash. And in
your case a ignorant piece of trash.


Circular reasoning. WHY is such a person "pure trash"?


BTW those that you hate also pay Child
Support if they have fathered a child. BTW you whining crybabies

have
the same rights and responsibilities as any parent that assumes the
responsibilities. IOW get married and raise a family.

With all due respect, it is unclear what you are trying to convey in

your
above message.

Only to a whining cry baby looking for sympathy, after ****ing up.
Come on try to be a real man, double your child support payment.
And stop your sniveling, it's embarrassing to real men to be around a
cry baby.


Your messages are becoming progressively more bizarre. Calling people

names
and telling them what to do is something you probably do to your own
children; but that is not what this newsgroup is about. Perhaps
"alt.name-calling" would be more fitting for you.


--
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  #254  
Old April 26th 07, 07:42 AM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Chris
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Posts: 2,421
Default Contract to support?


"Robert" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini"



What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he
fathered?

Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an
artificial
debt.

You were whining about being forced to make child support for a
child that you claim is not yours.


That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you

believe
your above statement. You DO believe it, correct?

You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any
responsibility for it.


No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make child
support"?

I am aware that some men are supporting a child
they did not father, and some are crying about it.

Child support is not an artificial
debt.

Yes it is. And it's immoral too.

If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the
child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the child.

Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear.

Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling
you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby.


Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement?

If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am
wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to
accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held
responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a
child.


No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult to
understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not
follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact
remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me that
it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so than
me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines the
word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support", guess
what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt", let me
know and then we'll talk.

Just curious how much are you paying?

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  #255  
Old April 26th 07, 08:18 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Bob Whiteside
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Posts: 981
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"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Robert" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini"



What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he
fathered?

Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay an
artificial
debt.

You were whining about being forced to make child support for a
child that you claim is not yours.


That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes you
believe
your above statement. You DO believe it, correct?

You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any
responsibility for it.


No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make child
support"?

I am aware that some men are supporting a child
they did not father, and some are crying about it.

Child support is not an artificial
debt.

Yes it is. And it's immoral too.

If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the
child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the

child.

Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear.

Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling
you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby.

Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement?

If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am
wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to
accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held
responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a
child.


No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult to
understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not
follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact
remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me

that
it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so than
me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines the
word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support", guess
what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt", let

me
know and then we'll talk.


CS is not a debt. Just ask anyone who works in the CS system. They use
every euphemism possible to avoid calling it a debt.

Some examples are - CS is an obligation. CS is a money judgment. CS is an
award. CS is a periodic payment. CS is a court-ordered amount. These
definitions apply because CS, when paid as ordered, is to cover current
expenses only and can stop at any time certain circumstances occur. My
state goes so far as to refer to CS as a "money award" that is "sum certain
and will not require payments in installments."

Past due (arrearage) CS can result in a Support Arrearage Lien "when an
installment becomes due under the terms of a support award and is not paid."
The state uses so many euphemisms to describe CS they can't keep track. One
Administrative Rule says CS is not an installment and another Administrative
Rule says a missed payment was an installment.


  #256  
Old April 27th 07, 03:55 PM posted to talk.abortion,alt.child-support
Chris
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"Bob Whiteside" wrote in message
...

"Chris" wrote in message
...

"Robert" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 09:41:34 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:11:23 -0700, "Chris" wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:35:03 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 09:42:35 -0700, "Chris"

wrote:


"Robert" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 12:11:54 GMT, "Gini"




What is immoral about a man helping to support a child he
fathered?

Strawman. I was making reference to a man being forced to pay

an
artificial
debt.

You were whining about being forced to make child support for

a
child that you claim is not yours.

That "I" claim is not "mine"? Exactly what did I say that makes

you
believe
your above statement. You DO believe it, correct?

You mean that the child is your's and you don't accept any
responsibility for it.


No. I mean: where did "I" claim (whine) that "I" am "forced to make

child
support"?

I am aware that some men are supporting a child
they did not father, and some are crying about it.

Child support is not an artificial
debt.

Yes it is. And it's immoral too.

If you did not father the child, get DNA proof you are not the
child's father and have never accepted responsibility for the

child.

Improper syntax of your above statement makes it unclear.

Grammar and spelling flames are lame, and far worse that calling
you a stupid piece of ****, cry baby.

Non sequitur. Care to clarify your previous statement?

If you are to damn stupid to understand a simple concept, then I am
wasting my time. if you are not the parent, and did not agree to
accept responsibility for the child. Prove it and you will not be held
responsible. Then you can quit being a cry baby about supporting a
child.


No offense, but your messages and sentence structures make it difficult

to
understand what you are attempting to say. In other words, they do not
follow standard common written English practices. Nonetheless, the fact
remains that "child support" IS an artificial debt. No argument from me

that
it is a LEGAL debt. But that does not make it a REAL debt; no more so

than
me calling you a zebra makes you a zebra Until the dictionary defines

the
word "zebra" as "a guy named Robert who posts on alt.child-support",

guess
what, you aint' a zebra! So, if you want to redefine the word "debt",

let
me
know and then we'll talk.


CS is not a debt. Just ask anyone who works in the CS system. They use
every euphemism possible to avoid calling it a debt.

Some examples are - CS is an obligation. CS is a money judgment. CS is

an
award. CS is a periodic payment. CS is a court-ordered amount. These
definitions apply because CS, when paid as ordered, is to cover current
expenses only and can stop at any time certain circumstances occur. My
state goes so far as to refer to CS as a "money award" that is "sum

certain
and will not require payments in installments."

Past due (arrearage) CS can result in a Support Arrearage Lien "when an
installment becomes due under the terms of a support award and is not

paid."
The state uses so many euphemisms to describe CS they can't keep track.

One
Administrative Rule says CS is not an installment and another

Administrative
Rule says a missed payment was an installment.


Indeed. Changing the rules as they go along is tantamount to breaking their
OWN rules. There is another name for this. It's called CHEATING. No wonder
you always lose with these people; when their rule says you are not losing
to them, they simply change it to make certain that you are now losing.
"Imputed" income comes to mind.





 




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