Why do parents keep doing this?

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

Lyle Benson wrote:

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.


Go away kid.

If you have a problem with your parents go and see a shrink. He will
help you through your hang-ups.

On 13 Aug 2004 20:24:46 -0700, (Lyle Benson)
said:

I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Consider foreskin restoration. It won't give you back everything, but
it will give back something, and it is healing to take back some
control of that aspect of your life.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

But the reasons they give are only the excuses. Otherwise, why do the
reasons given keep changing? Notice that the chief "medical" reason is
always the most fearful disease du jour.

I was in elemtary school when when they did a quick "why boys are differnet
from girls" lesson in sixth grade (like we didn't know already by then! the
difference was that girls had cooties!!) And for the boys class they went
into all the changes we could look forward to in the next few years, what
happens when.... etc. One of the things mentioned was cirumcision/intact.
Thats when i knew i was cut. I was quite shocked. It wasn't till the
internet became really widespread that i really understood what it was all
about, stumbled into foreskin resetoration quite accidentally, decided thats
what i would do. Was amazed at the response in sensitivity within just a
few short weeks, course being in high school at the time my only sexual
experience was in the one man band (wasn't circumcision supposed to prevent
that?) and "letting out some pressure" went from being good... to excellent,
like going from a small black and white TV to HDTV. Never was able to get
serious about restoring till i finished college, but having excellent
results since restarting. What the cutters keep bringing up is the same
broken record... the first thing they complain about is smell and
cleanliness... OK you do have to clean it... but it takes no more time than
cleaning a cut prick... while in the shower, just skin the foreskin back a
few times and let teh water rinse out what little smegma has accumulated
since your last shower. Then they talk about disease prevention. Fine and
dandy that a well rounded scientific study states that circumcision may
prevent HIV, and there may yet be scientific evidence of that, but lets face
it, if you are cut or uncut and boffin someine else thats HIV+ its like
playing russian roulette, any reducion in risk would be minimal, and
doubtful it will conteract the risk of complications of circumcision.
Several boys a year die from circumcision, usually a result of postop
infection, some are horribly disfigured by the "simple operation", some are
cut so badly that they get a "Gender Reassignment" and are raised as girls.
(Notice how the circ prevents such and such disease changes regularly, was
cancer until a few weeks ago) Or they are like me, and are cut so tightly
that an erection was painful (thats how i sumbled on restoration, trying to
learn about painful erection), within a few weeks my skin was stretched
enoug to finally allow a normal erection. Some people argue about the
cosmetic appeal of a cut penis, frankly i don't pay attention to how other
guy's dicks look in the shower, if someone stares at my member in its
partially covered state, they are either gay or envious. Some people argue
it as a matter of faith, and I really won't argue with that, but do think
that the rite should be a voluntary sacrifice by the recipient, virtue
without the freedom to choose that virtue is not a virtue at all. (lets
expand on that sentence on a brief tangent, As an American I have the
freedom to go to the liquor store and buy some booze, get **** faced drunk,
then get on with my life, but i choose NOT to consume alcohol, a virtue
common in my church, but the fact that i CHOOSE not to drink is what makes
it a virtue, if it was a legal prohibition it would simply be covering my
ass). The bottom line is that it is YOUR PENIS. Not anyone elses, its not
anyones right to tell you to get cut or to stay intact, or to even restore
for that matter, and anyone who focuses on making sure everyone is "Cut" is
just as guilty of having a penis fettish as they will surely accuse me of
having. I personally could care less that a person is cut or not, but i
really wish people had the simple choice to decide how they wanted to look.
I call cutters ideas bull**** as much as they call my ideas bull****, but
its YOUR penis and YOUR happiness that matters, if you like it, fine, if you
don't like it, get it cut, start restoring it, but thats YOUR choice, its
just a shame that like most american boys you did NOT get the initial choice
to begin with. Some say women don't like uncut penii..... well i'm at a
school now that has a large dutch contingent (a nation with a very very low
incidence of circumcision, and those guys don't have ANY problem getting
action if they want it, if being uncut was undesirous i suspect the
girlfriend retention incidence woudl be quite low for them! And frankly is a
girl is so damn shallow to fall in love with my penis, instead of me, i
don't want them. Long rant here, and i know its gonna draw fire, but i've
had enough. 87% of all statistics are made up on the spot 76% of the people
believe those statistics without question. Why don't you be one of the
other 24%?




"Lyle Benson" wrote in message
om...
I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.

I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.

Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?

I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

LIKE A VULTURE TO A CARCASS, ANOTHER FORESKINSTEIN FLUNKY TOUCHES DOWN
ON SMEGMA:

(Lyle Benson) wrote in message . com...
I'm a teen-ager and since the moment I found out what happened to me I
felt angry about it. Once I found what goes on during the procedure
and what is lost, I felt sick.
I know I was robbed of something special, and I'll never know what sex
is really supposed to feel like.
Why the hell do parents keep letting their baby boys get cut even if
they know there are no real health benefits? Why? Does it matter to
them whether or not their son *wants* to be that way? Does the risk of
death, infections and disfigurement matter? Isn't the fact that there
are tons of men ****ed off about it and stuck that way for the rest of
their lives reason enough not to do it?
I'm really curios as to why. Could any parent who has or is going to
have their little boy cut clue me in?

Parents have the legal right to decide what is in the best interest of
their children. There is no choice when it comes to the well-being of
a child. Every precautionary measure should be taken to ensure that a
child leads a happy, healthy productive life. And circumcision is one
such measure that is analagous to immunization - in that side effects
and complications are immediate and usually minor, but benefits accrue
for a lifetime. The longer one waits to be circumcised, the greater
chance one has of being exposed to UTIs, the residual risk of penile
cancer (practically unheard of in circumcised men), and the multitude
of problems that are always associated with the male prepuce -
cervical cancer in partners of the uncircumcised, tenfold increase in
HIV/STDs, painful sex, phimosis, balanitis, and the ever obligatory
smegma!eh An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure! The
benefits always outweigh the risks! Be wise, circumcise!
Only an ignorant & uncaring parent would forgo the safest & most
commonly performed procedure in all of medicine, occurring more
frequently than tooth extraction. Only an ignorant & uncaring parent
would subject their child to years of having to SHLEP around a
marsupial sac that should have gone out with Neanderthal man. A
useless scab of skin that serves no useful function (ie appendix,
wisdom teeth), other than to cause a lifetime of unwanted hassles &
upkeep. Foreskin is one of God's anatomical goofs, and it must be
treated accordingly!
In the US (most powerful, influential & circumcised nation in the
world), over 60% of newborns (regardless of ethnicity) are circumcised
each and every year. An average of 1.5 million routine infant
circumcisions per year. Over 80% of the adult American male population
is circumcised. The #1 adult performer of all-time happens to be a
circumcised Jew - Ron "The Hedgehog" Jeremy (b. Hyatt, Queens,NY).
Tens of millions of circumcised men are happily SHTUPPING away, and
yet the overwhelming majority of them do not share in your sentiments!
Those who mourn the loss of their foreskin are deeply disturbed
individuals. I believe Briar had posted the psychological studies on
these "projectionists" who blame all of their problems on
circumcision. Foreskin or lack thereof does not cause psychological
problems. There has to be an underlying history of psychoses present.
As for simple soap & water? LOL! While penile hygiene is said to
protect against the complications of the uncircumcised state, there is
actually no study to show any benefit to penile hygiene, nor any
practical way to do such a study, if you consider the problem of
actually documenting scrupulous hygiene over very long periods of
time. "Dirty Johnny" can scrub his smelly foreskinned PUTZ like an
incessant marsupial in the wild, and it shall never prevent the
production or accumulation of smegma. Soap (irritant) can actually
exacerbate the existing foreskin condition, causing smegma to
multiply. That in turn gives off more cottage cheese-like fumes. You
cannot wash away foreskin. The only cure for foreskin is circumcision
As long as those foreskin folds exist, so shall smegma and every other
foreskin-related ill.
It doesn't take an EINSTEIN (guess what religion he was?heh) to know
that if you remove an impediment that has been known to cause pain &
infection, you will have improved hygiene and better sex on average.
If a flap of skin grew over your decrepit TUSH, would you revel in the
bacteria that it traps, or would you run to the doctor to have it
removed!? No-brainer, right!? Well, the same rationale should apply to
the male prepuce. Forget about what medical science says, my eyesight
alone tells me that foreskin is an abomination on the senses! It's
just plain fugly!ehe Not to mention that extra skin = queasy gals =
less boots a knockin'!eheheh If a man wants to increase his chances of
nabbing high class trim, he will forgo that useless scab of skin!eh
In the end, the removal of foreskin is precisely what separates us
from the animals. As John "The Elephant Man" Merrick once said: "I am
not an animal, I am a human being!" -D, NYC "The Egg Cream is
psychologically the opposite of circumcision - it pleasurably
reaffirms your Jewishness" - MEL BROOKS (b. Kaminsky, sweet Jewish New
Yorker - ingenious comedic legend, filmmaker, actor, producer, writer,
Broadway revolutionary)
http://www.circinfo.net/benefits_of_circumcision.htm (Professor Brian
"not Jewish" Morris - 30+ years of unbias research on the benefits of
circumcision)
http://www.aids.net.au/lemons-news-10-03-04.htm (Circumcision provides
a 2-8 protective fold against HIV)
http://www.medicirc.org/meditopics/preference/more_info_women.html(Circumcision
- a lifetime of medical benefits: Women's Sexual Penile
Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect)
http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/poj.htm (The Phenomenon Of The
Jews)
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/dialogue.htm (Jews, IQ & Nobel
Laureates)
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Economy/telaviv.html (Tel Aviv - Top
10 High-Tech Cities In the World - Newsweek)
http://www.eonline.com/Features/Specials/Jews (Do Jews run Hollywood?
You bet they do, and what of it? - Ben Stein)

In article , ) wrote:

Briar, you are not dealing with rational minded users! Did you
conveniently miss her grave faux pas!?ehehe She claims that women have
no foreskin folds! LOL! If such is the case, why did my last
girlfriend have a labia the size of a balloon animal!?heheeheh
Susan, your labia is comprised of four folds of skin! DOH! Susan
should squat over a mirror with Sarah, Angela & Amy - the
one-eyed-foreskinned-purple people eaters! LOL! -D, NYC
"Circumcision is like a substantial and well-secured annuity; every
year of life you draw the benefits. Parents cannot make a better
paying investment for their little boys" - DR. P.C. REMONDINO
http://www.medicirc.org/meditopics/p...nfo_women.html
(Circumcision - A Lifetime Of Medical Benefits - Women's Sexual Penile
Preference, Sexual Activity, Psych Effect)

Ummm... I think you missed the tongue in my cheek. I thought it was
pretty clear I was being facetious. Should I actually WRITE
::eyeroll:: next time? The point is that folds of skin are normal and
natural. --Susan

Susan, perhaps you should have, because I did not detect an ounce of
sarcasm in your response!eheheh Susan, you are comparing apples and
oranges. The sexual physiology is not the same! I will tell you what I
told another female user on another forum. Even if one were to excise
the labia minora/majora, one would still be left with foreskin
(clitoris), which unlike the male prepuce, is the epicenter for
pleasure. The head of the penis (not the foreskin) is where the
greatest degree of sensation lies. In the end, women have no choice
but to put up with their own odoriferous emanations. Men have a choice
- a simple, safe and beneficial circumcision. The most common cut in
all of medicine! One that provides its owner with a virtual
self-cleaning penis.
You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest
creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle
inside of, we will generally tolerate anything!eh And that "anything"
includes the fishy-scented snatch!ehe Women should not have to
tolerate our emanations - the same cottage cheese-like fumes that can
just as easily be eradicated with one simple & safe snip! Is it quite
possible that you have become so accustomed to gnawing on snagle-tooth
skin that you simply do not know any better!?
Where in the world do you hail from!? I ask because cultural ideology
plays an important role in how we perceive circumcision. ie. In
Europe, many still being that being circumcised is a sign of being
Jewish. The reality is that since Jews comprise a measly 1/4 of 1% of
the world's populace, the overwhelming majority of circumcised are
Gentiles (non-Jews). While circumcision (as with Kosher) has religious
basis, it also has undeniable health benefits. Would it surprise you
to learn that 70% of the 5 billion dollars worth of Kosher (cool,
clean, fit - free of impurities, contaminants & animal cruelty) sold
in the US, is purchased by non-Jews!? It all boils down to common
sense & civility! ie. Why should you buy non-Kosher roast beef when
you can buy Kosher roast beef!? You may pay four times as much for
Kosher meats, but you are ultimately paying for peace of mind. As the
saying goes: "Buy Kosher and be safe!" The same rationale applies to
circumcision. Better to err on the side of caution than not! There are
no health benefits to foreskin! Remember, if foreskin is such a
healthy appendage, why does it continually necessitate medical
intervention? Circumcision cannot exist without foreskin! -D, NYC "To
perfect the world (TIKUN OLAM) is in Jewish thought - the obligation
of every human being. Where better to begin by fixing God's goof of
foreskin?"
http://www.drweiss.org/necesary.htm (Neonatal Circumcision Is
Necessary - correct link - htm not html)

wrote in message
m...

... In the end, women have no choice
but to put up with their own odoriferous emanations. snip
You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest
creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle
inside of, we will generally tolerate anything!eh And that "anything"
includes the fishy-scented snatch! snip
.... Is it quite
possible that you have become so accustomed to gnawing on snagle-tooth
skin that you simply do not know any better!?

You don't really like women very much, do you? Or the human body? Or people?
My goodness, if you described your lover's body like this to her, or judged
her preferences like this, I've a pretty good idea she wouldn't be your
lover for long.

You may disagree with me about the practice of circumcision, but I think
it's becoming very quickly clear which one of us here is merely
'opinionated' and which one has veered well across the line into something
else. Unless what you're doing is trying to use humor to get your point
across. If that's the case, I'm afraid you'll have to try an approach that's
actually funny instead of broadly offensive.

--angela

Chotii wrote:

wrote in message
m...


... In the end, women have no choice
but to put up with their own odoriferous emanations. snip
You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest
creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle
inside of, we will generally tolerate anything!eh And that "anything"
includes the fishy-scented snatch! snip
.... Is it quite
possible that you have become so accustomed to gnawing on snagle-tooth
skin that you simply do not know any better!?


You don't really like women very much, do you? Or the human body? Or people?
My goodness, if you described your lover's body like this to her, or judged
her preferences like this, I've a pretty good idea she wouldn't be your
lover for long.

You may disagree with me about the practice of circumcision, but I think
it's becoming very quickly clear which one of us here is merely
'opinionated' and which one has veered well across the line into something
else. Unless what you're doing is trying to use humor to get your point
across. If that's the case, I'm afraid you'll have to try an approach that's
actually funny instead of broadly offensive.

--angela




Angela, you are stretching things a bit here. Why?

"Chotii" wrote in message ...
wrote in message
m...

... In the end, women have no choice
but to put up with their own odoriferous emanations. snip
You also forget that men are led by their noses. We are the horniest
creatures on the planet. As long as we have a warm hole to nestle
inside of, we will generally tolerate anything!eh And that "anything"
includes the fishy-scented snatch! snip
.... Is it quite possible that you have become so accustomed to gnawing on snagle-tooth skin that you simply do not know any better!?

You don't really like women very much, do you? Or the human body? Or people?
My goodness, if you described your lover's body like this to her, or judged
her preferences like this, I've a pretty good idea she wouldn't be your
lover for long. You may disagree with me about the practice of circumcision, but I think it's becoming very quickly clear which one of us here is merely
'opinionated' and which one has veered well across the line into something
else. Unless what you're doing is trying to use humor to get your point
across. If that's the case, I'm afraid you'll have to try an approach that's
actually funny instead of broadly offensive. --angela

Does colorful use of language automatically equate to misogyny?ehe
Angela, who deemed you the keeper of content!?ehe Unlike you, my past
lovers shared the same tasteless sense of humor. Sorry, but I worship
the entire essence of a woman! I leave no crevice unturned!eh At the
same time, I am also a realist! I know that since the sexual
physiology is different, I have no choice but to accept the feminine
mystique. And that includes the ardour, as well as the odor!eh -D, NYC
"One of the great mysteries that has always puzzled me is how Jews,
who account for such a tiny fraction of the world's population, have
been able to achieve so much and excel in so many different fields -
science, music, medicine, literature, arts, business and more. If you
listed the most influential people of the last hundred years, three at
the top of the list would be Einstein, Freud and Marx; all were Jews.
Many more belong on the list, yet Jews comprise at most less than 3
percent of the United States population. They are an amazing people.
Imagine the persecution they endured over the centuries: pogroms,
temple burnings, Cossack raids, uprootings of families, their
dispersal to the winds and the Holocaust. After the Diaspora, they
could not own land or worship in much of the world; they were
prohibited from voting and were told where to live. Yet their children
survived and Jews became by far the most accomplished people per
capita that the world has ever produced." - MARLON BRANDO (excerpt
from "SONGS MY MOTHER TAUGHT ME")

The issue here is that there are many men who are intact and would have a
real problem with having been circumcised at birth, and there many people
who are circumcised and have this problem of having been circumcised at
birth. The neonatal surgical alteration of one's genitals is a violation of
human rights. Religion must never have an ability to surpass the protection
of the law.