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Sarah Vaughan wrote:
In message , Briar Rabbit I must admit to ignorance. The vast body of evidence indicates that the foreskin is a smelly and disgusting item and this collective evidence must over ride your personal research in assorted men's rooms. Must say I'm intrigued - how exactly was this collective evidence collected? Blindfolded smell and taste tests conducted under laboratory conditions? ;-) How was your "test" carried out? What size was the sample? |
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Sarah Vaughan wrote:
In message , Briar Rabbit I am not saying they are automatically unhappy. I would love to know how the deal with the stink though. I've never found that there is a stink. I've had one partner whose smell I had a bit of a problem with, but even then I wouldn't go as far as calling it a stink. Remembering what a flake this man was in other ways, I suspect his personal hygiene just wasn't all that could be desired. I've never found it to be a problem at all with any of the other men I've been with. What is the size of your sample? It is not a trick question to see how much of a slag your are but rather to understand the statistical basis behind your assertion. |
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I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him
circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think it was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can still feel the pain. So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is done is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean Kay "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message ... Sure. My agenda is to let people choose, as far as practicable, what happens to their own bodies. Fine by me if adults choose to get circumcised, but I see no good reason to carry the procedure out routinely on newborns. What's your agenda? Well, he has no agenda, naturally, Sarah. However, he is convinced that "research" has declared "that the foreskin is a smelly and disgusting item" - yes, I'm quite sure the researchers used that phrase in their summary - and therefore, out of simple kindness toward all young boys everywhere, he thinks they ought all to be divested of it without regard to medical necessity, or the child's wishes in later years. --angela |
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"Kaybee" wrote in message ... "Chotii" wrote in message ... "Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message ... Sure. My agenda is to let people choose, as far as practicable, what happens to their own bodies. Fine by me if adults choose to get circumcised, but I see no good reason to carry the procedure out routinely on newborns. What's your agenda? Well, he has no agenda, naturally, Sarah. However, he is convinced that "research" has declared "that the foreskin is a smelly and disgusting item" - yes, I'm quite sure the researchers used that phrase in their summary - and therefore, out of simple kindness toward all young boys everywhere, he thinks they ought all to be divested of it without regard to medical necessity, or the child's wishes in later years. I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think it was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can still feel the pain. So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is done is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean The fact that the US Military routinely treats its people as commodities - even to this day - and will punish them for trying to protect their bodies - is no justification for parents doing something to infants. You know that pain he feels? Sometimes young boys, cut at birth, wind up feeling it too. When you cut tissue away, you cut through nerves, and there can be ghost pain from the removed tissue *forever*. I'm sorry your uncle suffers. That's no reason others should also suffer. Anyway, this boy is entitled to feel what he feels, want what he wants, and mourn what he mourns. I don't think it's our place to tell him he shouldn't feel, or want, or mourn, any more than we would say the same to someone who had lost any other body part at birth. Or any woman who gets a cesarean or an episiotomy she didn't want. Or anyone else whose body has been cut into. Their bodies, you know, are *theirs*. I reckon they can feel anything they want to feel. To the OP, I still recommend connecting up with the restoration list on eskimo.com --angela |
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In message , Briar Rabbit
writes Sarah Vaughan wrote: In message , Briar Rabbit I must admit to ignorance. The vast body of evidence indicates that the foreskin is a smelly and disgusting item and this collective evidence must over ride your personal research in assorted men's rooms. Must say I'm intrigued - how exactly was this collective evidence collected? Blindfolded smell and taste tests conducted under laboratory conditions? ;-) How was your "test" carried out? It wasn't a test, it was my personal sex life. Feel free to answer my question at any point, BTW. Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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In message , Briar Rabbit
writes Sarah Vaughan wrote: In message , Briar Rabbit I am not saying they are automatically unhappy. I would love to know how the deal with the stink though. I've never found that there is a stink. I've had one partner whose smell I had a bit of a problem with, but even then I wouldn't go as far as calling it a stink. Remembering what a flake this man was in other ways, I suspect his personal hygiene just wasn't all that could be desired. I've never found it to be a problem at all with any of the other men I've been with. What is the size of your sample? It is not a trick question to see how much of a slag your are but rather to understand the statistical basis behind your assertion. Does that mean that it's a trick question to try to twist it into a claim that I _was_ making some sort of statistical assertion? Sorry, that wasn't very clear, was it? What I mean is: Suppose I tell you the number, is your next question or statement going to be along the lines of "So you're claiming that foreskins don't stink despite only having had experience with X number of foreskins, which is clearly not enough for a valid sample size"? Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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In message , Briar Rabbit
writes I believe that male circumcision is a perfectly acceptable parental decision as a result of religious, cultural or medical considerations. What about female circumcision? Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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In message , Kaybee
writes I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think it was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can still feel the pain. Does he think he would have felt less pain if he'd had it done as a baby? Actually, chances are he would have felt more, if anything, because at that stage the foreskin is still adherent to the glans, so the surgeon not only has to cut through skin but also rip it away from the sensitive bit underneath. BTW, why did the Navy do it? So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is done is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean Well, by that logic we could have all sorts of body parts amputated and not mind about it on the basis that it's one less thing to wash. Hell, with the trouble I'm having with athlete's foot lately, I'm starting to think it might have been a great idea if my parents had had my toes amputated when I was a baby. ;-) All the best, Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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"Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message ... In message , Kaybee writes I do know that my oldest uncle does wish that my grandparents had him circumcised. Because when he joined the nave at like 17 or 18 I think it was 17 they did it during his physical....and he said that he can still feel the pain. Does he think he would have felt less pain if he'd had it done as a baby? Actually, chances are he would have felt more, if anything, because at that stage the foreskin is still adherent to the glans, so the surgeon not only has to cut through skin but also rip it away from the sensitive bit underneath. BTW, why did the Navy do it? They did it for help of no infection. He was in a war where they didn't get a chance to take showers and such. I am sorry if I started a war. I was just voicing my opinion. Kay So I think that this child needs to stop complaining please. What is done is done. And think of this. It is one less thing you have to clean Well, by that logic we could have all sorts of body parts amputated and not mind about it on the basis that it's one less thing to wash. Hell, with the trouble I'm having with athlete's foot lately, I'm starting to think it might have been a great idea if my parents had had my toes amputated when I was a baby. ;-) All the best, Sarah -- "I once requested an urgent admission for a homeopath who had become depressed and taken a massive underdose" - Phil Peverley |
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Kaybee wrote:
"Sarah Vaughan" wrote in message Does he think he would have felt less pain if he'd had it done as a baby? Actually, chances are he would have felt more, if anything, because at that stage the foreskin is still adherent to the glans, so the surgeon not only has to cut through skin but also rip it away from the sensitive bit underneath. BTW, why did the Navy do it? They did it for help of no infection. He was in a war where they didn't get a chance to take showers and such. I am sorry if I started a war. I was just voicing my opinion. Kay Kay, now you have learned that the skin freaks are very touchy when it comes to reports of delinquent foreskins. They just have to tackle your assertions as they are absolutely obsessed with proving the foreskin benign. But try as they might, it is as the man said: “The proponents of not circumcising stress that lifelong penile hygiene is essential. This acknowledges that something harmful or unpleasant is happening under the prepuce.” - Russell T, Med Observer 1993 |
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