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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"animal05" wrote in message news:Pu2dnXrlja7S1b7anZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "DB" wrote in message news "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in It's pointless withyou to dig up all the facts, but why do so many loving nurturing mothers butcher their children? For the same reasons many loving nurturing fathers butcher, and rape their son's and daughters. When is the last time a father drowned his two daughters in a bath tub? Or in a lake with a car? I don't know who is worse, system supports like illi, or the misogynists like yourself that make all men look bad. Maybe not drowning, but is the method so important? http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...g-car-on-fire/ Women commit more, and more violent crime against men and children then men commit against women and children. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
Shadow36 wrote:
"animal05" wrote in message news:Pu2dnXrlja7S1b7anZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "DB" wrote in message news "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in It's pointless withyou to dig up all the facts, but why do so many loving nurturing mothers butcher their children? For the same reasons many loving nurturing fathers butcher, and rape their son's and daughters. When is the last time a father drowned his two daughters in a bath tub? Or in a lake with a car? I don't know who is worse, system supports like illi, or the misogynists like yourself that make all men look bad. Maybe not drowning, but is the method so important? http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...g-car-on-fire/ Women commit more, and more violent crime against men and children then men commit against women and children. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm snicker I've used the same stats in the past against misandrist posters here. THe problem is when you ignore the fact that there are problems on both sides of the fence. |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"Shadow36" wrote in Women commit more, and more violent crime against men and children then men commit against women and children. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm There's a series on Cable channels called, "Snapped". It's about women that murder, but the title suggests that something went wrong when instead it demonstrates that some women can be cold, calculating deviants. I tell all young men now that with all the divorce and CS laws in place, women stand to financially gain alot of money from you. Look past the big blonde hair as that will fade quickly and realize you are putting your future in the hands of stranger. When I look at woman now, I see nothing but a money pitt! Is it any wonder why marriage is on the decline! |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"Shadow36" wrote in message ... "animal05" wrote in message news:Pu2dnXrlja7S1b7anZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "DB" wrote in message news "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in It's pointless withyou to dig up all the facts, but why do so many loving nurturing mothers butcher their children? For the same reasons many loving nurturing fathers butcher, and rape their son's and daughters. When is the last time a father drowned his two daughters in a bath tub? Or in a lake with a car? I don't know who is worse, system supports like illi, or the misogynists like yourself that make all men look bad. Maybe not drowning, but is the method so important? http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...g-car-on-fire/ Women commit more, and more violent crime against men and children then men commit against women and children. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm Indeed! Now look up the stats on children protected by Child "Protective" Services. That children under the "protection" of CPS are MANY times more likely to be murdered and be involved in crime than are children who escape the tentacles of CPS speaks volumes about what these government strangers are doing to other people's children. Since the whole agenda of CPS is based upon statistics, use these stats against them and watch how they go absolutely nuts trying to defend their evil agenda. It's amusing to say the least. I happen to know someone who is a former CPS agent. He's glad that he left the organization due to the corruption and harm they cause to children. |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"DB" wrote in message t... "Shadow36" wrote in Women commit more, and more violent crime against men and children then men commit against women and children. http://www.lectlaw.com/files/fam27.htm There's a series on Cable channels called, "Snapped". It's about women that murder, but the title suggests that something went wrong when instead it demonstrates that some women can be cold, calculating deviants. I tell all young men now that with all the divorce and CS laws in place, women stand to financially gain alot of money from you. Look past the big blonde hair as that will fade quickly and realize you are putting your future in the hands of stranger. When I look at woman now, I see nothing but a money pitt! Is it any wonder why marriage is on the decline! More and more I hear people mention that it is FAR cheaper (over the course of years) to pay high priced hookers than it is to pay "child support" to the whore that forced a man into parenthood. Not to mention, the quality of the sex is no doubt superior! To boot, some of these poor schmucks slapped with "child support" only got ONE session of sex. For the same dollar amount, you can get literally several DOZEN sessions from the professional prostitute. So, let's see: One session of low quality sex from an amateur prostitute for megabucks, or MANY sessions of high quality sex from the pros for pennies on the dollar? Gee, I'm no rocket scientist, but I think I know the answer. |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"animal05" wrote in message news:Pu2dnXrlja7S1b7anZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "DB" wrote in message news "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in It's pointless withyou to dig up all the facts, but why do so many loving nurturing mothers butcher their children? For the same reasons many loving nurturing fathers butcher, and rape their son's and daughters. When is the last time a father drowned his two daughters in a bath tub? Or in a lake with a car? I don't know who is worse, system supports like illi, or the misogynists like yourself that make all men look bad. I am a misogynist because? Maybe not drowning, but is the method so important? http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2...setting-car-on -fire/ |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
"animal05" wrote in message news:apidnSVQCM4O2b7anZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "animal05" wrote in message news:ub2dnZZ0C8LE_rzanZ2dnUVZ_vTinZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message gy.net... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message igy.net... Illiana via FamilyKB.com wrote: Sarah Gray wrote: "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in *ethical*. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] How is it that you fell it is o.k to trivialize the things that went on during that time to an issue of child support? a man that impregnates a woman is forced to a parent in the sense that he has no post conception rights. I'm not nearly as hard-line about this stuff as some folks on here, but I at least can understand their arguments, geez! You understand aproval from strangers. Can your ex just sign away his rights, and you would let him? Be real, you enjoy the crack pipe too much. You were complaining about $75.00! You change your stand point to gain approval from people who don't care about their own kids, let alone yours. At least I have my own mind... My daughter is 5, not a week old. I am not complaining about $75. I am complaining about my daughter's father *insisting* that I take him to court over support because he will not agree to a reasonable amount, which he can afford. What's wrong with him taking care of her directly just like YOU do? Better yet, how about you pay HIM to take care of the child. Heck, if one parent is good enough to get paid to care for their child, then BOTH parents are good enough for same, no? He used to, before he moved out of state abruptly. I am not asking him to pay me to take care of his child. I want him to contribute to the costs of raising her to a degree that is more equitable. Nonsense. You simply want him to pay you money for taking care of your child. The proof that you do NOT believe the arrangement which you are proposing is equitable lies in the fact that you would NOT be willing to bestow upon yourself that which you desire upon him. In other words, you are unwilling to taste your own medicine. Hold on there........if he moved voluntarily out of state, he is essentially abandoning his ability and willingness to be a parent. How so? snicker just asking the question shows how one sided you are. Ok, so I'm one sided. Now, care to answer the question? In those cases, I have no problem with the NCP be assessed CS. Note- She did not move away from the father. And that's relevant how? Because the father abandoned his ability to parent. Untrue, non sequitur, AND circular reasoning. NONE of your claims bear any relevance to the issue. If you cannot grasp that simple concept, then you are beyond hope. I can't grasp the simple concept of dry water either. Hypothesizing about fixing the current statutes to reflect equity for fathers does not change the responsibilities of men who have already *chosen* to be part of their children's lives. -- Sarah Gray -- Sarah Gray |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
Chris wrote:
"Sarah Gray" wrote in message t... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message . net... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message et... Illiana via FamilyKB.com wrote: Sarah Gray wrote: "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in *ethical*. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] How is it that you fell it is o.k to trivialize the things that went on during that time to an issue of child support? a man that impregnates a woman is forced to a parent in the sense that he has no post conception rights. I'm not nearly as hard-line about this stuff as some folks on here, but I at least can understand their arguments, geez! You understand aproval from strangers. Can your ex just sign away his rights, and you would let him? Be real, you enjoy the crack pipe too much. You were complaining about $75.00! You change your stand point to gain approval from people who don't care about their own kids, let alone yours. At least I have my own mind... My daughter is 5, not a week old. I am not complaining about $75. I am complaining about my daughter's father *insisting* that I take him to court over support because he will not agree to a reasonable amount, which he can afford. What's wrong with him taking care of her directly just like YOU do? Better yet, how about you pay HIM to take care of the child. Heck, if one parent is good enough to get paid to care for their child, then BOTH parents are good enough for same, no? He used to, before he moved out of state abruptly. I am not asking him to pay me to take care of his child. I want him to contribute to the costs of raising her to a degree that is more equitable. Nonsense. You simply want him to pay you money for taking care of your child. The proof that you do NOT believe the arrangement which you are proposing is equitable lies in the fact that you would NOT be willing to bestow upon yourself that which you desire upon him. In other words, you are unwilling to taste your own medicine. I do not think he is as responsible as I am as a parent. Which supports my claim. That is my opinion. If he wanted to be an active parent, he could have stayed in the same state as she lives in. But not because I am a woman. If he *had* full custody, "If" is a big word. Well, you asked *if* I would be reasonable if the tables were turned. And I would be. I would ask about expenses and come up with an agreement that we *submitted* to the court, instead of them using their formula - if only to ensure that payments are recorded as child support and not as "gifts". I have de facto primary physical custody because he left the state with less than a day's notice. Do you suggest that I send her to live with him primarily, when he's already shown that he can't manage his money or a household? I am suggesting that you practice what you preach. Being equitable means that he is entitled to the SAME parental position as you. Did that answer your question? I should send her off hundreds of miles, after the school year has started, to a man who cannot even budget $200 for groceries for a few weeks? Who has no plans to have his own apartment anytime soon? He LEFT. If I had LEFT, I would not expect to retain primary physical custody. The difference between he and I is that I would never put myself in a position where I would go three months without seeing my daughter. (I haven't even gotten into all of that.) I don't want him to pay me for taking care of our child. Yes you do. No, I don't. I want him to contribute equally to the cost of raising her. I want him to contribute an equal share towards food, shelter, clothing, latchkey. Great! Then allow him to provide such things just like YOU do. [note: if fathers are EQUAL parents to mothers, then why is it that fathers need the permission of mothers regarding any interaction with their children?] I gave him a detailed accounting of costs for raising our daughter and asked him to contribute half. He told me to take him to court. So I am. (We are talking about a matter of an extra $175 a month from what he is paying now, He lives with his parents and has few expenses.) He doesn't need my *permission* to see our daughter, but considering he has moved out of state, obviously, he needs to work around *her* schedule. She can't go to school half the year in one place and half the year at another, Right now, I have excellent health insurance benefits, so I agreed to write to the Friend of the Court so that he would not be required to carry health insurance for her. -- Sarah Gray -- Sarah Gray |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
Chris wrote:
"animal05" wrote in message news:ub2dnZZ0C8LE_rzanZ2dnUVZ_vTinZ2d@wideopenwest .com... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message . net... Chris wrote: "Sarah Gray" wrote in message et... Illiana via FamilyKB.com wrote: Sarah Gray wrote: "Illiana via FamilyKB.com" u38194@uwe wrote in *ethical*. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] How is it that you fell it is o.k to trivialize the things that went on during that time to an issue of child support? a man that impregnates a woman is forced to a parent in the sense that he has no post conception rights. I'm not nearly as hard-line about this stuff as some folks on here, but I at least can understand their arguments, geez! You understand aproval from strangers. Can your ex just sign away his rights, and you would let him? Be real, you enjoy the crack pipe too much. You were complaining about $75.00! You change your stand point to gain approval from people who don't care about their own kids, let alone yours. At least I have my own mind... My daughter is 5, not a week old. I am not complaining about $75. I am complaining about my daughter's father *insisting* that I take him to court over support because he will not agree to a reasonable amount, which he can afford. What's wrong with him taking care of her directly just like YOU do? Better yet, how about you pay HIM to take care of the child. Heck, if one parent is good enough to get paid to care for their child, then BOTH parents are good enough for same, no? He used to, before he moved out of state abruptly. I am not asking him to pay me to take care of his child. I want him to contribute to the costs of raising her to a degree that is more equitable. Nonsense. You simply want him to pay you money for taking care of your child. The proof that you do NOT believe the arrangement which you are proposing is equitable lies in the fact that you would NOT be willing to bestow upon yourself that which you desire upon him. In other words, you are unwilling to taste your own medicine. Hold on there........if he moved voluntarily out of state, he is essentially abandoning his ability and willingness to be a parent. How so? By putting himself in a position where he has not seen his daughter, let alone taken her to school, prepared meals for her, played games with her, bathed her, etc. in over three months. In those cases, I have no problem with the NCP be assessed CS. Note- She did not move away from the father. And that's relevant how? Hypothesizing about fixing the current statutes to reflect equity for fathers does not change the responsibilities of men who have already *chosen* to be part of their children's lives. -- Sarah Gray -- Sarah Gray -- Sarah Gray |
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deadbeat and enabler list (another thread that went off topic)
On Oct 12, 10:09 am, "Illiana" u38194@uwe wrote:
Why is the DBP crew in every group, discussion, topic, and thread when it is about child support? Is it possible for them to gripe anymore about something that is in place to help single parents take care of their children? I wonder why those people are so adamant about not paying child support. They all claim not to be deadbeats, or enablers, yet their comments, way of thinking, and bashing of the custodial parents tell a different story. What is wrong with those people, and why is it the same small group attempt to dominate the all of the discussions having to do with child support? It's not like I am going to wake up one morning and say "I don't think my child's father should be held accountable for anything. Let me drop child support, because he should not be held responsible for having sex, only I should." Is it possible to stop trying to bash custodial parents, and allow one of these threads to just have replies relevant to the topic? Hi, am a custodial parent and I have been bashed all over Usenet by Republicans. I am shocked by the horrendous things they say to me. I wish I could tell my story, but I can not tell it in public because I have had my anonymity ripped away from me by a s... head in a religious group. |
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