Father's importance no laughing matter

In article , bizby40 says...


"Jeff" wrote in message
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Justme Athome wrote:
I've noticed EXACTLY everything you mentioned. It seems that
depicting
the father as the clueless dud started with All In The Family and
has
gone downhill from there.

Archie Bunker was not a clueless twit. He some issues, as well as
do, but he really loved his daughter.

With the exception of the Cosby Show, there
have been very few positive television 'fathers' since then. Sad.

The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders), as does
Little House in the Prairie, The Waltons, Brady Bunch, Good Times,
M*A*S*H, Home Improvement, Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years,
Empty Nest, NYPD Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and
Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he
was a father figure), and Picket Fences.

Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child. He
was a great dad.

Except where he followed his sister's hysteria and cut out Roger's role in
fatherhood.

But even that is an example of two men keenly intersted in the welfare of a
child, even when it's known it's not their genetic own child.

Banty

"nimue" wrote in message
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Not necessarily. A friend of mine is about to have a kid and she is
single.
She pulls down about $500,000 a year.


Unless she interited the money and it is coming from a trust , she will be
working 60+ hours a week and nannies will be looking after her kid not her.

nimue wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
nimue wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life
that determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a
positive male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach
or mentor. Jeff
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Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having
a second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't
get as much attention,

Why? If it's just mom and kid (or dad and kid), there is no one else
competing for attention.
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Except work and everybody else.

You will find the same thing in a two-parent family. Both parents work (or
do you think one stays home)? In a two parent family, parents might want to
spend time with one another. A single parent might have a boyfriend or
girlfriend, or might not. It probably works out the same.
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Two parents is twice one parent, QED.


and that they will be poor

Not necessarily. A friend of mine is about to have a kid and she is
single. She pulls down about $500,000 a year.
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Only wear the shoe when it fits, dummy.

I am not the one making sweeping statements like, "They will be poor"
without considering that the opposite could be true.
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It's obvious it's not true of everybody, and poor is relative.
You're being an argumentative ass.


and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything.

Prove it.
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Don't need to, it's an obvious rationale.

No, you need to prove it.
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No, and everybody knows it, you're just being an ass again.
Steve

"bizby40" wrote in message
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Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child. He was
a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives? Though I admit
I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could have turned into a
skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and Order: SVU?

Bizby


Isn't Det Benson the woman and wasn't her father a rapist.

bizby40 wrote:

"Jeff" wrote in message
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Justme Athome wrote:
I've noticed EXACTLY everything you mentioned. It seems that
depicting
the father as the clueless dud started with All In The Family and
has
gone downhill from there.

Archie Bunker was not a clueless twit. He some issues, as well as
do, but he really loved his daughter.

With the exception of the Cosby Show, there
have been very few positive television 'fathers' since then. Sad.

The Simpsons has a great role-model father (Flanders), as does
Little House in the Prairie, The Waltons, Brady Bunch, Good Times,
M*A*S*H, Home Improvement, Numbers, Growing Pains, Wonder Years,
Empty Nest, NYPD Blue, Ray Romano's show, Happy Days, Mork and
Mindy, Newhart (OK, Bob Newhart was not a father to his maid, but he
was a father figure), and Picket Fences.

Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child. He
was a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives? Though
I admit I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could have turned
into a skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and Order: SVU?
Bizby
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Oh PLEASE! Benton wasn't even sure he WANTED a deaf child at first!
And his motives were always suspect, always for him instead of anyone
else.
Steve

Jeff wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life that
determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a positive
male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach or mentor.
Jeff
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Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention, and that they will be poor and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything. It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.

No, it has to do with having a male adult in a boy's life, regardless of
relationship.
Jeff
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There's nothing specifically important about a male in a boy's life.
Steve

"MSNothing" wrote in message
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"bizby40" wrote in message
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Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child.
He was a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives?
Though I admit I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could
have turned into a skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and
Order: SVU?

Bizby


Isn't Det Benson the woman and wasn't her father a rapist.

Okay then Stabler? The male partner.

Bizby

"bizby40" wrote in message
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"MSNothing" wrote in message
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"bizby40" wrote in message
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Ooh, I have one! Dr. Benton on ER! The one with the deaf child. He was
a great dad. And what about Tom on Desperate Housewives? Though I admit
I haven't seen the show in awhile, and so he could have turned into a
skunk. What about Detective Benson on Law and Order: SVU?

Bizby


Isn't Det Benson the woman and wasn't her father a rapist.

Okay then Stabler? The male partner.

Bizby


True, but doesn't Bensons father cancel him out completely if you are
keeping score.

On Jul 1, 11:13 pm, "R. Steve Walz" wrote:
Jeff wrote:

I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life that
determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a positive
male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach or mentor.
Jeff

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Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention, and that they will be poor and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything. It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.

What is with you pussyboy?

"R. Steve Walz" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote:

R. Steve Walz wrote:
Jeff wrote:
I forgot to mention that the most important factor in a boy's life
that
determines how well he succeeds is whether or not there is a positive
male figure in his life, such as a father, teacher, coach or mentor.
Jeff
----------------------
Another moronic American misintepretation of statistics. Not having a
second parent of any kind in the home means that the child won't get
as much attention, and that they will be poor and their one parent
too stressed to be much good for anything. It actually has ZIP to
do with "fathers" or fatherhood per se.

No, it has to do with having a male adult in a boy's life, regardless of
relationship.
Jeff
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There's nothing specifically important about a male in a boy's life.
Steve

Isn't that also true of a female in a boys life as well. If not, prove it OR
stop making wild generalizations.