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CS Worker Jailed Theft
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Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
On Apr 1, 9:38*pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. *Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. *Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. *This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
On Apr 2, 9:18*pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N.... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. *But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. *Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. *The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. *That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay! |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
On Apr 2, 11:10*pm, "teachrmama" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N.... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. *And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. *And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - you're too funny teachrmama...but I agree! |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay! The good news is the state auditors finally figured out the ReliaCard Stored Value CS payment system is filled with flaws. This is just another government program run amok! The CS money went to whoever had the PIN for the account and they could get access to the money at any U.S. Bank branch in any state. Some big questions are - Why did a CS justice department employee have access to two or more private citizen's PIN's needed to gain access to CS payments? Why did it take the obligee asking CSE about where her CS money was if, as CSE administration claimed, they couldn't find her? Didn't she find them? Why were two cases singled out for compromise by thieves? How many more are there? What was CSE management's role in allowing this theft? Didn't they recommend a flawed payment process? How much political liability does the state Attorney General have for allowing this loophole to occur and then cover the legal costs to prosecute the offenders for his own malfeasance in managing his department? p.s. I testified before the Oregon House Judiciary Committee right after the State AG regarding shifting CSE from HHS to the Justice Department and pointed out some of the flaws. The legislature gave him the new powers anyway. He testified the change was "revenue neutral." This is an example of the AG getting the unexpected consequences, i.e. paying for prosecutions of employees within his own department. If that is "revenue neutral" I'll eat my hat! |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
On Apr 3, 12:04*am, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message .... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. *And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. *And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay! The good news is the state auditors finally figured out the ReliaCard Stored Value CS payment system is filled with flaws. *This is just another government program run amok! *The CS money went to whoever had the PIN for the account and they could get access to the money at any U.S. Bank branch in any state. Some big questions are - Why did a CS justice department employee have access to two or more private citizen's PIN's needed to gain access to CS payments? Why did it take the obligee asking CSE about where her CS money was if, as CSE administration claimed, they couldn't find her? *Didn't she find them? Why were two cases singled out for compromise by thieves? *How many more are there? What was CSE management's role in allowing this theft? *Didn't they recommend a flawed payment process? How much political liability does the state Attorney General have for allowing this loophole to occur and then cover the legal costs to prosecute the offenders for his own malfeasance in managing his department? p.s. *I testified before the Oregon House Judiciary Committee right after the State AG regarding shifting CSE from HHS to the Justice Department and pointed out some of the flaws. *The legislature gave him the new powers anyway. *He testified the change was "revenue neutral." *This is an example of the AG getting the unexpected consequences, i.e. paying for prosecutions of employees within his own department. *If that is "revenue neutral" I'll eat my hat!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, don't get me started on the debit card mess...I actually searched "ripoffreport.org" once and found quite a few "complaints" of rip offs and poor CPs complaining that X, Y or Z company had used "their child support money" or stolen it because they tried to buy something and then could not get a refund, etc...How nice...one was used for a MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION... I can assure you that really helps the child...One day when I have a better internet connection, I'll go through as many as possible and post them all...hehe Another complained about one of those "start your own business" BS scams on TV that she gave her "CHILD SUPPORT DEBIT CARD NUMBER" to...amazing! |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay! Or simply turn the children over to them. After all, if they get to to have the "child support" money, then they get to have the accompanying children too. |
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CS Worker Jailed Theft
-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 3, 12:04 am, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "teachrmama" wrote in message ... "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 2, 9:18 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 1, 9:38 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps...ID=/20080401/N... Oregon CS worker got 120 days in jail for her role in stealing over $10,000 from inactive accounts. Her fiancé accomplice got 60 days. Both got 5 years probation. I am fully in favor of jailing these thieves, but what I can't understand is how CSE can find NCP's to collect CS, but can't find CP's to receive the CS already collected. This case just shows you where the CSE priorities are focused. The CSE office does NOT make money from sending money to CPs, the CSE office makes money from COLLECTING from NCPs...thus, they really don't care about the children...just lining their pockets with your tax dollars. -------------------- I agree with your comment about how the money flows from NCP's, and I know from experience that is a priority for the legislature and senior CSE managers. But CSE has an internal conflict about priorities because case workers identify very strongly with mothers and children and thus consider them to be their constituency on whose behalf they act. Those conflicts of interest are the root cause for many of the problems people report within the CS system. It has been my experience that CSE managers will work with NCP's who reach out to them and they are more than willing to agree to father-friendly payment proposals. The case workers, on the other hand, have a bias in favor of CP mothers and children. That is why NCP fathers get the snotty comments from them like those related on another recent thread here. It took me a while to figure this out, but once I started dealing directly with the CSE managers and the grievance coordinators, and they ran interference for me with their case workers, things went very smoothly in my case. By the way, this CSE worker should've received the same amount of jail time that an NCP owing 10K would receive... That was my thought, too. And they should have had their wages garnished for a certain amount per month based on their salary at CSE, then been told that amount would not be lowered when they could only get a job at McDonalds after being fired from CSE. And if they had to live in a rathole because they were not left with enought money to live on, they should have had the amount they were charged per month raised, and been told to get another job or two to supplement their income so they could pay, pay, pay! The good news is the state auditors finally figured out the ReliaCard Stored Value CS payment system is filled with flaws. This is just another government program run amok! The CS money went to whoever had the PIN for the account and they could get access to the money at any U.S. Bank branch in any state. Some big questions are - Why did a CS justice department employee have access to two or more private citizen's PIN's needed to gain access to CS payments? Why did it take the obligee asking CSE about where her CS money was if, as CSE administration claimed, they couldn't find her? Didn't she find them? Why were two cases singled out for compromise by thieves? How many more are there? What was CSE management's role in allowing this theft? Didn't they recommend a flawed payment process? How much political liability does the state Attorney General have for allowing this loophole to occur and then cover the legal costs to prosecute the offenders for his own malfeasance in managing his department? p.s. I testified before the Oregon House Judiciary Committee right after the State AG regarding shifting CSE from HHS to the Justice Department and pointed out some of the flaws. The legislature gave him the new powers anyway. He testified the change was "revenue neutral." This is an example of the AG getting the unexpected consequences, i.e. paying for prosecutions of employees within his own department. If that is "revenue neutral" I'll eat my hat!- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ah, don't get me started on the debit card mess...I actually searched "ripoffreport.org" once and found quite a few "complaints" of rip offs and poor CPs complaining that X, Y or Z company had used "their child support money" or stolen it because they tried to buy something and then could not get a refund, etc...How nice...one was used for a MAGAZINE SUBSCRIPTION... I can assure you that really helps the child...One day when I have a better internet connection, I'll go through as many as possible and post them all...hehe Another complained about one of those "start your own business" BS scams on TV that she gave her "CHILD SUPPORT DEBIT CARD NUMBER" to...amazing! **************************** For the greedy, how much money is enough? One dollar more. And remember, a fool and their money will soon part. |
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