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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" childsupport money?
I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this
information. Is it a percentage? A flat amount? If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"whatamess" wrote in message ... I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this information. Is it a percentage? A flat amount? If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. Go to the Federal CSE web site and look for reports. Your question implies several things - how much do the states earn federal revenue from CS collections and related family law activities, how do they earn it based on actual performance versus standards, and what are the non-performance related criteria for getting paid by adopting federal mandates. But sifting through all the reports to Congress, and those required under public disclosure laws, you can start to understand how the money flows and how complicated it is to follow the money through the entire process. |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" childsupport money?
On Apr 4, 11:29*pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message ... I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this information. *Is it a percentage? *A flat amount? *If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. Go to the Federal CSE web site and look for reports. Your question implies several things - how much do the states earn federal revenue from CS collections and related family law activities, how do they earn it based on actual performance versus standards, and what are the non-performance related criteria for getting paid by adopting federal mandates. But sifting through all the reports to Congress, and those required under public disclosure laws, you can start to understand how the money flows and how complicated it is to follow the money through the entire process. Ok, great! Believe me, I will sift through them...hehe |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 4, 11:29 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this information. Is it a percentage? A flat amount? If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. Go to the Federal CSE web site and look for reports. Your question implies several things - how much do the states earn federal revenue from CS collections and related family law activities, how do they earn it based on actual performance versus standards, and what are the non-performance related criteria for getting paid by adopting federal mandates. But sifting through all the reports to Congress, and those required under public disclosure laws, you can start to understand how the money flows and how complicated it is to follow the money through the entire process. Ok, great! Believe me, I will sift through them...hehe ------------- You'll notice right off the bat it is difficult to make many conclusions about trends. Report formats change, measurables change, and reported data starts and stops between FY's. Here is what I recall from the last time I looked at this stuff - The report showing actual dollars paid out to each of the states for CS compliance hasn't been published for several years. Criteria used to calculate state "box scores" has been altered so there are old and new performance ratings using different calculation methodologies. The tables are where they hide the real data versus the write-ups that are political spin and glowing self-promotion of their programs' successes. Most reports are labeled "preliminary" and the final reports lag way behind. Some positive reporting changes have occurred like adding in a performance improvement category to reduce "collected but not dispersed" CS dollars after it became common knowledge millions of dollars were being held by the states and collection bonuses were being paid on gross dollars collected without recognizing some of the collections never get dispersed. |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" childsupport money?
On Apr 5, 3:25*pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote:
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 4, 11:29 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this information. Is it a percentage? A flat amount? If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. Go to the Federal CSE web site and look for reports. Your question implies several things - how much do the states earn federal revenue from CS collections and related family law activities, how do they earn it based on actual performance versus standards, and what are the non-performance related criteria for getting paid by adopting federal mandates. But sifting through all the reports to Congress, and those required under public disclosure laws, you can start to understand how the money flows and how complicated it is to follow the money through the entire process. Ok, great! *Believe me, I will sift through them...hehe ------------- You'll notice right off the bat it is difficult to make many conclusions about trends. *Report formats change, measurables change, and reported data starts and stops between FY's. Here is what I recall from the last time I looked at this stuff - The report showing actual dollars paid out to each of the states for CS compliance hasn't been published for several years. Criteria used to calculate state "box scores" has been altered so there are old and new performance ratings using different calculation methodologies. The tables are where they hide the real data versus the write-ups that are political spin and glowing self-promotion of their programs' successes. Most reports are labeled "preliminary" and the final reports lag way behind. Some positive reporting changes have occurred like adding in a performance improvement category to reduce "collected but not dispersed" CS dollars after it became common knowledge millions of dollars were being held by the states and collection bonuses were being paid on gross dollars collected without recognizing some of the collections never get dispersed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, as I move soon (can't wait!) and have much more time on my hands, I will start going through it...I'm a system's analyst and known for finding every darn thing possible...very detail oriented in research, etc...so, I will spend some time trying to put this mess together. In addition, I hope that when I move, I can actually come up with some good stuff to create a website and get the word out. Not the typical father vs. mother stuff, not the typical woman/man stuff...but again, with a spin that will allow ALL PEOPLE, even if NOT involved in CS, to read the information and be disgusted by it...and later find out that it's related to CS...I don't want to have CS or divorce anywhere near most of the information, otherwise, people that are not in the situation, will not listen... example...if we can figure out what this system costs tax payers, I would never say...what the CS office costs tax payers...people who don't pay CS won't believe it, and people who don't pay, will ignore it...but if I instead put something along the lines of "YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK (like some show they used to have), with OUTRAGEOUS things, without naming the actual CSE office until the end or as a side note, I can assure you people will start to take notice. The problem is that if the headline contains divorce or child support, most people's view is already "deadbeat dad" complaining again...we need to ensure that they have NO CLUE what it's related to, so that they take the time to actually find the truth first and THEN find out what it's related to... Thanks for your help...I'm sure that once I move... (sometime in May), I'll start gathering info for this and will talk to all of you more often... |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 5, 3:25 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... On Apr 4, 11:29 pm, "Bob Whiteside" wrote: "whatamess" wrote in message ... I was wondering if anyone here knows where I can find this information. Is it a percentage? A flat amount? If anyone here can direct me towards good information on this, I would appreciate it. Go to the Federal CSE web site and look for reports. Your question implies several things - how much do the states earn federal revenue from CS collections and related family law activities, how do they earn it based on actual performance versus standards, and what are the non-performance related criteria for getting paid by adopting federal mandates. But sifting through all the reports to Congress, and those required under public disclosure laws, you can start to understand how the money flows and how complicated it is to follow the money through the entire process. Ok, great! Believe me, I will sift through them...hehe ------------- You'll notice right off the bat it is difficult to make many conclusions about trends. Report formats change, measurables change, and reported data starts and stops between FY's. Here is what I recall from the last time I looked at this stuff - The report showing actual dollars paid out to each of the states for CS compliance hasn't been published for several years. Criteria used to calculate state "box scores" has been altered so there are old and new performance ratings using different calculation methodologies. The tables are where they hide the real data versus the write-ups that are political spin and glowing self-promotion of their programs' successes. Most reports are labeled "preliminary" and the final reports lag way behind. Some positive reporting changes have occurred like adding in a performance improvement category to reduce "collected but not dispersed" CS dollars after it became common knowledge millions of dollars were being held by the states and collection bonuses were being paid on gross dollars collected without recognizing some of the collections never get dispersed.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well, as I move soon (can't wait!) and have much more time on my hands, I will start going through it...I'm a system's analyst and known for finding every darn thing possible...very detail oriented in research, etc...so, I will spend some time trying to put this mess together. In addition, I hope that when I move, I can actually come up with some good stuff to create a website and get the word out. Not the typical father vs. mother stuff, not the typical woman/man stuff...but again, with a spin that will allow ALL PEOPLE, even if NOT involved in CS, to read the information and be disgusted by it...and later find out that it's related to CS...I don't want to have CS or divorce anywhere near most of the information, otherwise, people that are not in the situation, will not listen... example...if we can figure out what this system costs tax payers, I would never say...what the CS office costs tax payers...people who don't pay CS won't believe it, and people who don't pay, will ignore it...but if I instead put something along the lines of "YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK (like some show they used to have), with OUTRAGEOUS things, without naming the actual CSE office until the end or as a side note, I can assure you people will start to take notice. The problem is that if the headline contains divorce or child support, most people's view is already "deadbeat dad" complaining again...we need to ensure that they have NO CLUE what it's related to, so that they take the time to actually find the truth first and THEN find out what it's related to... Thanks for your help...I'm sure that once I move... (sometime in May), I'll start gathering info for this and will talk to all of you more often... The 30,000 foot level answer to your original question about how much the states can get in federal money is as follows: By adopting IV-D CS program directives the states get 2/3 of the cost of operating their program paid by the feds. Tied directly to the CS program adoption are federal welfare program block grants as an additional incentive to adopt the federal IV-D rules and any changes. There are also annual performance incentives that are essentially cost to collection ratio calculations. The bonus amounts vary from 6-10% based on actual performance. The states also get access to the Federal Parent Locator System which is a $4 billion computer tracking system. This is in addition to other support services provided at the federal level that come out of the $4.6 billion annual Federal OCSE operating budget. |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"Bob Whiteside" wrote
................................. The 30,000 foot level answer to your original question about how much the states can get in federal money is as follows: By adopting IV-D CS program directives the states get 2/3 of the cost of operating their program paid by the feds. Tied directly to the CS program adoption are federal welfare program block grants as an additional incentive to adopt the federal IV-D rules and any changes. There are also annual performance incentives that are essentially cost to collection ratio calculations. The bonus amounts vary from 6-10% based on actual performance. The states also get access to the Federal Parent Locator System which is a $4 billion computer tracking system. This is in addition to other support services provided at the federal level that come out of the $4.6 billion annual Federal OCSE operating budget. === Do we know how many kids this amount of money would pull out of poverty if these funds were transferred to the CP as child support rather than used to support the bureaucracy? Too, how much money is spent to collect 100. a month child support from an NCP living on minimum wage? |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"Gini" wrote in message news:dLVJj.598$XC1.398@trndny08... "Bob Whiteside" wrote ................................ The 30,000 foot level answer to your original question about how much the states can get in federal money is as follows: By adopting IV-D CS program directives the states get 2/3 of the cost of operating their program paid by the feds. Tied directly to the CS program adoption are federal welfare program block grants as an additional incentive to adopt the federal IV-D rules and any changes. There are also annual performance incentives that are essentially cost to collection ratio calculations. The bonus amounts vary from 6-10% based on actual performance. The states also get access to the Federal Parent Locator System which is a $4 billion computer tracking system. This is in addition to other support services provided at the federal level that come out of the $4.6 billion annual Federal OCSE operating budget. === Do we know how many kids this amount of money would pull out of poverty if these funds were transferred to the CP as child support rather than used to support the bureaucracy? You'd make a horrible bureaucrat. They already spend the money to keep kids out of poverty. s/ One of their favorite games is to claim how many former welfare dependent children they have pulled out of poverty. Here is how they do it - Any mother who has ever had any type of public assistance in her lifetime is classified as a CP they have helped remove from welfare. The bureaucracy takes credit for CS orders and collections removing women from welfare dependency even when the dependency was temporary like needing food stamps before a college educated mother and father gets a job after graduation. Too, how much money is spent to collect 100. a month child support from an NCP living on minimum wage? On average they collect about $3.50 for every $1 spent collecting it. When you consider over 85% of the money they collect is for non-TANF cases that would be paid without spending anything, the cost effectiveness of collecting lower-end income earners CS is far more expensive than the average would indicate. It frosts my butt to watch the bureaucracy hide what really is going on by co-mingling statistics to make them look good. |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
-- [Any man that's good enough to support a child is good enough to have custody of such child] .. .. "Bob Whiteside" wrote in message ... "Gini" wrote in message news:dLVJj.598$XC1.398@trndny08... "Bob Whiteside" wrote ................................ The 30,000 foot level answer to your original question about how much the states can get in federal money is as follows: By adopting IV-D CS program directives the states get 2/3 of the cost of operating their program paid by the feds. Tied directly to the CS program adoption are federal welfare program block grants as an additional incentive to adopt the federal IV-D rules and any changes. There are also annual performance incentives that are essentially cost to collection ratio calculations. The bonus amounts vary from 6-10% based on actual performance. The states also get access to the Federal Parent Locator System which is a $4 billion computer tracking system. This is in addition to other support services provided at the federal level that come out of the $4.6 billion annual Federal OCSE operating budget. === Do we know how many kids this amount of money would pull out of poverty if these funds were transferred to the CP as child support rather than used to support the bureaucracy? You'd make a horrible bureaucrat. They already spend the money to keep kids out of poverty. s/ One of their favorite games is to claim how many former welfare dependent children they have pulled out of poverty. Here is how they do it - Any mother who has ever had any type of public assistance in her lifetime is classified as a CP they have helped remove from welfare. The bureaucracy takes credit for CS orders and collections removing women from welfare dependency even when the dependency was temporary like needing food stamps before a college educated mother and father gets a job after graduation. Too, how much money is spent to collect 100. a month child support from an NCP living on minimum wage? On average they collect about $3.50 for every $1 spent collecting it. When you consider over 85% of the money they collect is for non-TANF cases that would be paid without spending anything, the cost effectiveness of collecting lower-end income earners CS is far more expensive than the average would indicate. It frosts my butt to watch the bureaucracy hide what really is going on by co-mingling statistics to make them look good. How about the fact that they sue him for being a father? Worse, he didn't even make the choice to be a father! |
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how much do states collect from the Fed for "collecting" child support money?
"Bob Whiteside" wrote in The states also get access to the Federal Parent Locator System which is a $4 billion computer tracking system. That's about the same cost to run the IRS each year! more reason to abolish government run institutions! |
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