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Interesting local article on baby names
In misc.kids Vicki S wrote:
(sher) wrote: UP FRONT/COMMENTARY: A.L. ALFORD JR. ... As always, parents showed creativity with names. Among the boys were ... Declan ... I don't know about any of the other names, but I understand Declan is a perfectly ordinary Irish name. The rock musician "Elvis Costello" is actaully named "Declan P.A. Macmanus" and he's close on to 50 years old. True. And that raises a good point: a good cultural awareness is required if you're going to give your child an unusual name. For example, an acquaintance of mine wanted to name her daughter some version of Kay-Leigh but wanted to spell it "Kali". I mentioned that "Kali" was a particularly brutal and bloodthirsty Hindu Goddess. She thought I was being ridiculous to raise that objection because NO ONE knows that. (Well... no... ) And you don't want to fall into the trap of naming someone something because the names seem to go together. Adolph... Hitler? if you don't know the culture from which you are drawing the name you might really screw up. Wendy |
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Interesting local article on baby names
In article , Wendy says...
In misc.kids Vicki S wrote: (sher) wrote: UP FRONT/COMMENTARY: A.L. ALFORD JR. ... As always, parents showed creativity with names. Among the boys were ... Declan ... I don't know about any of the other names, but I understand Declan is a perfectly ordinary Irish name. The rock musician "Elvis Costello" is actaully named "Declan P.A. Macmanus" and he's close on to 50 years old. True. And that raises a good point: a good cultural awareness is required if you're going to give your child an unusual name. For example, an acquaintance of mine wanted to name her daughter some version of Kay-Leigh but wanted to spell it "Kali". I mentioned that "Kali" was a particularly brutal and bloodthirsty Hindu Goddess. She thought I was being ridiculous to raise that objection because NO ONE knows that. (Well... no... ) Right. Apparently *she* didn't know, but enough people know. And you don't want to fall into the trap of naming someone something because the names seem to go together. Adolph... Hitler? if you don't know the culture from which you are drawing the name you might really screw up. True. But I think Rosalie's example, and many of the 'unusual' names I've run across are names drawn in the context of the child's own background. A few examples of what others have (IMO ignorantly) considered too weird or otherwise 'wrong' in friends and friend's children: Thorger, Wolfgang, Osama. Banty (Wolfgang: "Well, John - no, my parents didn't name me after Mozart, they named me after my grandfather - were you named after JFK?") |
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Interesting local article on baby names
Hillary Israeli wrote:
In , Donna Metler wrote: *I'm imagining the poor teachers trying to call the roll on future first days *of school-better hope some of these parents decide to homeschool! (Or *include phonetic pronounciation guidelines on their child's registration *form!). How do you pronounce Xicigu, anyway? The pronunciation thing doesn't bug me as much for some reason. Ever since a high school teacher of mine called a classmate "Joe-ACK-win," (the kid's name was Joaquin, you know, wah-KEEN), I have kind of just figured that no matter what name you use, someone will screw it up. There is a point where if the number of people who mispronounce a name is greater than the number who prounounce it "correctly" one should consider that perhaps the parents or owner of the name is actually in the wrong. I know someone named "Lara." She pronounced her name LAIR-AH. She complained that people would prounce her name LAR-AH, it is not that people are mispronouncing her name, it is the fact that she and/or her parents have misspelled the name. -TOE -- hillary israeli vmd http://www.hillary.net "uber vaccae in quattuor partes divisum est." not-so-newly minted veterinarian-at-large |
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Interesting local article on baby names
On 25 Sep 2003 09:04:38 -0400, Wendy
wrote: [snip] True. And that raises a good point: a good cultural awareness is required if you're going to give your child an unusual name. For example, an acquaintance of mine wanted to name her daughter some version of Kay-Leigh but wanted to spell it "Kali". I mentioned that "Kali" was a particularly brutal and bloodthirsty Hindu Goddess. She thought I was being ridiculous to raise that objection because NO ONE knows that. (Well... no... ) [snip] Kali isn't only about destruction. She's about creation, too, you know, the circle of life, which is why my sister and BIL gave their daughter the name. It gets mispronounced as "Kay-Leigh" all the time, too. =) natasha ..^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^. ^.^.^ natasha can be gentle. she's been practicing! - heard on sesame street ^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^.^. ^.^. |
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Interesting local article on baby names
In article , Tom Enright
says... Hillary Israeli wrote: In , Donna Metler wrote: *I'm imagining the poor teachers trying to call the roll on future first days *of school-better hope some of these parents decide to homeschool! (Or *include phonetic pronounciation guidelines on their child's registration *form!). How do you pronounce Xicigu, anyway? The pronunciation thing doesn't bug me as much for some reason. Ever since a high school teacher of mine called a classmate "Joe-ACK-win," (the kid's name was Joaquin, you know, wah-KEEN), I have kind of just figured that no matter what name you use, someone will screw it up. There is a point where if the number of people who mispronounce a name is greater than the number who prounounce it "correctly" one should consider that perhaps the parents or owner of the name is actually in the wrong. I know someone named "Lara." She pronounced her name LAIR-AH. She complained that people would prounce her name LAR-AH, it is not that people are mispronouncing her name, it is the fact that she and/or her parents have misspelled the name. But in the case of Joaquin, the name was spelled correctly. The problem is that others are ignorant of Spanish pronunciation. For "Xicigu" I might venture "Shee'-chi-gu" using the PRC convention for Chinese spelling, but IRL I would probably ask, or at least check. I don't think there should be an expectation that name spellings be Anglicized. Banty |
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Interesting local article on baby names
Banty wrote:
In article , Tom Enright says... Hillary Israeli wrote: There is a point where if the number of people who mispronounce a name is greater than the number who prounounce it "correctly" one should consider that perhaps the parents or owner of the name is actually in the wrong. I know someone named "Lara." She pronounced her name LAIR-AH. She complained that people would prounce her name LAR-AH, it is not that people are mispronouncing her name, it is the fact that she and/or her parents have misspelled the name. But in the case of Joaquin, the name was spelled correctly. The problem is that others are ignorant of Spanish pronunciation. Yes, you would think that most people, at least teachers, would be familiar with the pronunciation of the name Joaquin. Must not be a baseball fan. But on the other side, I certainly don't expect everyone to the pronunciation of every non-English name (in non-English speaking countries). The ignorance may be with those who presume that everyone will spend time studying every possible pronunciation of the hundreds of millions of names on Earth. For "Xicigu" I might venture "Shee'-chi-gu" using the PRC convention for Chinese spelling, but IRL I would probably ask, or at least check. I don't think there should be an expectation that name spellings be Anglicized. I disagree. If I travel to China or Mexico I would assume that a non-English speaker would have trouble pronouncing my name and it would not bother me a bit. I believe there is a bit of a double standard at work here. If an American traveling outside the US were to assume that a Russian or Iraqi can properly pronounce his name he would be considered a bore. But if a Russian or Iraqi were to come to the US, the American is an oaf if he doesn't pronounce their name correctly. But I believe that Spanish is a special case. Very often you will hear newscasters state Spanish names or places with a Spanish (more likely, Mexican) accent. The same newscaster would never say "Pair-ee" instead of Paris or "Deutschland" instead of Germany. Both cases are merely a reflection of PCnes at work. -TOE Banty |
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Interesting local article on baby names
Sophie wrote in :
Boys and girls share some names, too, respectively: Alex and Alix, Cameron and Camrynn or Kamryn, Dominic and Domique, Jaiden (for both) and Jordan and Jordyn. I hope these parents were picked up for child cruelty. Gimme a break! I would count Alex as perfectly normal name, and has been used in the UK since my parents' generation was being named. -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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Interesting local article on baby names
"Tom Enright" wrote I disagree. If I travel to China or Mexico I would assume that a non-English speaker would have trouble pronouncing my name and it would not bother me a bit. I believe there is a bit of a double standard at work here. If an American traveling outside the US were to assume that a Russian or Iraqi can properly pronounce his name he would be considered a bore. But if a Russian or Iraqi were to come to the US, the American is an oaf if he doesn't pronounce their name correctly. But I believe that Spanish is a special case. Very often you will hear newscasters state Spanish names or places with a Spanish (more likely, Mexican) accent. The same newscaster would never say "Pair-ee" instead of Paris or "Deutschland" instead of Germany. Both cases are merely a reflection of PCnes at work. There is a difference between properly pronouncing "Buena Vista",for example, and translating. There is nothing PC about correctly pronouncing a foregin name, that isnt the same as taking an English name for something and then substituing the foreign version.So to pronounce San Joaquin correctly is not the equivalent of using Deustchland in place of Germany. Spanish is used widely in the US, so the Spanich pronounciations are in current usage and have made it into the English language. |
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Interesting local article on baby names
"Tom Enright" wrote in message
om... I know someone named "Lara." She pronounced her name LAIR-AH. She complained that people would prounce her name LAR-AH, it is not that people are mispronouncing her name, it is the fact that she and/or her parents have misspelled the name. On analogy with the name Sara, the pronunciation LAIR-AH for Lara seems perfectly valid to me and certainly not a spelling issue. I've never known ANYONE named Sara who expected her name to be pronounced SAR-AH--it's always SAIR-AH. -- Be well, Barbara (Julian [6], Aurora [4], and Vernon's [18mo] mom) See us at http://photos.yahoo.com/guavaln This week's special at the English Language Butcher Shop: "No parking passed this sign" -- hotel parking lot sign All opinions expressed in this post are well-reasoned and insightful. Needless to say, they are not those of my Internet Service Provider, its other subscribers or lackeys. Anyone who says otherwise is itchin' for a fight. -- with apologies to Michael Feldman |
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Interesting local article on baby names
Vicki S wrote in :
(sher) wrote: UP FRONT/COMMENTARY: A.L. ALFORD JR. ... As always, parents showed creativity with names. Among the boys were ... Declan ... I don't know about any of the other names, but I understand Declan is a perfectly ordinary Irish name. The rock musician "Elvis Costello" is actaully named "Declan P.A. Macmanus" and he's close on to 50 years old. (Born in 1955.) Declan definately sounds more mainstream to my ears then Cody, Hunter and Madison. The article also says the following :Isabell (not ranked), including single spellings of Isabel and Izabelle, :four times each. Can't they spell? There are just three correct spellings of Isabel - Isabel, Isobel, and Isabelle. (Sorry bugbear of mine.) -- Penny Gaines UK mum to three |
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